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"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,14:02   

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"Homosexuality is not genetic. Sexual orientation, along with external sexual features, are the result of the influence of hormones before (ie from the mother) and after birth. Human sexuality, both physical and behavioral, is multi-faceted and complicated.

Alas, it simply doesn't matter to the fundies whether or not it's "genetic".  That's the beauty of bigotry -- it doesn't require any factual basis.  If being gay is not genetic, then it's a "lifestyle choice" and "sinful".  If, on the other hand, it IS genetic, then it's a "sickness" that we should "find a cure for".  Gays lose either way.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,14:02   

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JasonTheGreek      
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Sorry, I find that people, in general, usually look at a person’s heart, their soul, what makes them unique as opposed to the superficial nonsense this study claims women look for.

This is what EVERY fat guy cries who can't get laid:

"Why oh why why don't people love me for my SOUL ???????"


I can picture DaveTard repeating this to himself every Saturday night.

You wish.  The autodidact king of tard has women lining up around the block for him.  He told us so himself, so it must be true.  Although, I've never seen mention of it in the hard science journal "Scientific American" nor has it popped up in any hard sci fi that I've read lately....hmmmm, quite a conundrum.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,14:07   

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The autodidact king of tard has women lining up around the block for him.

Online, perhaps.

And he probably has to pay ten bucks a month for it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,14:22   

People make love to the soul.

People have sex with the person.

People fuck the body.

There are levels of sex you UD virgins. Deal.

Nice people with wonderful souls make a lot more love than a shallow, dumb pretty thing who gets a whole lot more fucking than the soulful lot do. It's also very good if you can run this gamut with one person.

And maybe some of her better looking friends at the same time.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,14:23   

Gil:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1982

 
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21 January 2007
Ph.D.s in Obfuscation — Or, Simple Truths Denied
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In another forum, Denyse wrote:

 
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Bear with a simple lay hack here a moment: Why must we know a designer’s intentions in order to detect design?

If the fire marshall’s office suspects arson, do the investigators worry much about WHY?

Surely they investigate, confirm their finding, and turn the information over to other authorities and interested parties, without having the least idea why someone torched the joint.

ALL they need to be sure of is that the joint did not torch itself, via natural causes.





The observation Denyse makes is so obvious that one would need a Ph.D. in obfuscation not to see it. Common sense is not so common, at least among those with a foundational commitment to materialism.





Let's see what happens in the real world:

http://www.talgov.com/fire/investigations.cfm

   
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This is an overview of what the Investigator starts with to determine the origin and cause of the fire.



Conducting a systematic backwards fire scene examination, the Investigator can identify the area of origin.



Through witness statements it was determined the lawn mower had been used and parked in the garage a few minutes before the fire.



Burn patterns point to the lawn mower as a possible cause for the fire. The area shows there was a plastic container next to the lawn mower.  The heat from the mower's muffler caused the container to ignite.






Wow - look at the pathetic level of detail © in this just-so story©. Witnesses, the agency is identified, fire / design tracked back to its source, the implements that were used to cause the fire and facilitate its spread, motive or lack thereof established...

ID is *very* selective in which questions it asks...

Take the SETI canard.. Triangulation and math would allow us to know from where and when and the message itself would likely tell us who..

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,14:23   

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Couldn’t we do a little scientific judo by simply pointing to SETI, and telling the Darwinists that “Scientists are working on it [finding the designer]”?

said russ
Some obversations.
1) "we" - who is this "we" russ refers to? The ID community, the readers of UD? Who, exactly will do this thing? ID'ers - I believe you'll find as you are doing what seems to amount to a research project via blogging, you can do exactly what you like and you'll still fit in the big tent.
2) "scientific judo", um, and exactly is that? I guess it's a super secret research project. Or is it perhaps the usual co-opting of somebody else's work and attempting to put an ID spin on it? Shame there's no obligation to check with the original researchers and see if they agree with the DaveTard spin.
3) The "Darwinists" are the scientists you dumb f**k. Re-treads like russ are only fit to lick the cheesy-poof flavoured drool from DS's *censored*.
4) IF "Darwinist scientists" find some alien 200 signal coming from light years away, the first thoughts will not be "god" or "the designer" or  "disembodided really stupid idea". It'll be "huzzah, we've found an alien signal". And if that happens, I will love seeing the IDiot spin on that.

The rate that DS is banning anybody who says anything off-base will mean that in a year or two(my ID prediction) UD will be shut down by Dembski as an embarrassment. Who's going to drop by to see Dembski's link of the day with commentary by the criminally insane! The main difference I suppose between the criminally insane and the average ID'er is that at least the insane might have an interesting story to tell, rather then inane ramblings about the bible, design, seeing gods signature in nature etc etc.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,14:43   

Quote (Louis @ Jan. 21 2007,15:22)
...a shallow, dumb pretty thing...

Would that be a "healthy beautiful youthful human body?"

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,14:48   

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Would that be a "healthy beautiful youthful human body?"


Ooooooooohhhhhh yeaaahhhhhhhhh.

MMMMMHHHmmmmmmmmm.

Oh baby.

etc

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,15:08   

Richardo, The fire investigation post was great.  Thanks.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,15:45   

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How do you craft a theory that can cover every facet of every subgroup in a population, when the different groups and people are SO varied?

The scientific method? (Of course, variation in populations is sort of the whole point.)

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How do you craft a theory that can cover every planet whizzing around in different directions and seeming to be under the influence of the personalities of different gods? It's just so complicated.


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,15:58   

Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 21 2007,15:45)
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How do you craft a theory that can cover every facet of every subgroup in a population, when the different groups and people are SO varied?

The scientific method? (Of course, variation in populations is sort of the whole point.)

 
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How do you craft a theory that can cover every planet whizzing around in different directions and seeming to be under the influence of the personalities of different gods? It's just so complicated.

I think you just blew someones cover. Then again they do atract wingnuts that might think that way irl.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,16:47   

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Jan. 21 2007,15:58)
Quote (Zachriel @ Jan. 21 2007,15:45)
JasonTheGreek      
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How do you craft a theory that can cover every facet of every subgroup in a population, when the different groups and people are SO varied?

The scientific method? (Of course, variation in populations is sort of the whole point.)

 
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How do you craft a theory that can cover every planet whizzing around in different directions and seeming to be under the influence of the personalities of different gods? It's just so complicated.

I think you just blew someones cover. Then again they do atract wingnuts that might think that way irl.

How could you tell?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,16:59   

Well, I plan to lurk at UD for the great new information they dig up, but I have lost my respect for that blog.

First, I got placed on moderation for getting irate with Dave over his treatment of some new person. Using a term more mild than viscious for the way he was spoken to is hard to justify.

I figure I was on moderation because that post quickly disappeared and after that my posts disappeared into cyberspace for a few hours before reappearing.

It gave me a surreal feeling to see my open complaint disappear. Made me wonder how many other such things disappear, and made me wonder what the true flow of things would look like uncensored. Made me wonder how much censoring goes on.

Then, from a post by Dembski about an ongoing book-essay by a friend that was linked, I pulled out this and praised it:

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In the great commission, and in many other places in the New Testament, we are told to joyfully share the ”good news” with others. Is this the good news, that after all the trials they go through in this life, most of the world is headed–without knowing it–for an even worse place,
unless they accept a Savior they have heard little or nothing about? No, I believe the good news shared by the early apostles is not that the world can be saved from a punishment they didn’t know awaited them, but that they can be saved from a separation from God that they are well aware of, and that to be reconciled to God they don’t have to follow His will perfectly, only to accept His forgiveness. Though the very word ”gospel” means ”good news”, the gospel many churches are trying to spread today is certainly not good news, and Christianity will never set the world on fire again until we start preaching good news gain.


I said I hoped this sort of theology would be on the increase, and that I had tried to express this sort of thing myself.

That post never appeared. I find the moderation there extremely erratic and unpredictable, not to say subjective and biased.

I do understand that they don't want the board overrun by attackers, who are after all in greater numbers than the ID crowd, and I do understand that they get tired of the same ole lack of understanding of what ID is and isn't. On the other hand, shouldn't it be their mission to educate? Shouldn't they display more than a two-year-old's capacity for patience?

Turning into a glee club makes them look foolish.

From my point of view, the general run of persons on both these boards are blinded by ideology and use emotion to interpret facts, but what I like about this place is, I expect that detraction to stand.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,17:03   

Ah.. but on this board your posts show up.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,17:17   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 21 2007,17:03)
Ah.. but on this board your posts show up.

Yes, but a warning, if you act like a total abrasive shithead for one or two years and threaten to hack the site, we might punish you by sending all your posts to the bathroom wall.

Or we might do nothing. It's all kind of decided on a case-by-case basis.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,17:22   

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Richardo, The fire investigation post was great.  Thanks.

Feel free to use or abuse!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,17:59   

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People make love to the soul.

People have sex with the person.

People fuck the body.

There are levels of sex you UD virgins. Deal.

Love, schmove.

I just like getting my Willie Wonka'd.

;)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,18:03   

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Well, I plan to lurk at UD for the great new information they dig up

Where?

Did I miss it?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,18:13   

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I do understand that they get tired of the same ole lack of understanding of what ID is and isn't.

Well, by golly, if you are someone who knows what ID is and what it isn't, then I have a question for you --- one that no other IDer UI've asked has ever seen fit to answer for me:

*ahem*

In the Discovery Institute's Wedge Document, listed as one of its "Five Year Objectives", is:

"Major Christian denomination(s) defend(s) traditional doctrine of creation"


My question is simple ---- (1) what is this "traditional doctrine of creation" that DI wants churches to defend, and (2) if ID is "science" and has nothing to do with fundamentalist religion or with creationism (as IDers keep telling us), then why does DI want Christian churches to "defend" this "traditional doctrine of creation".

I await your answer with bated breath.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,18:20   

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Turning into a glee club makes them look foolish.

No, the Kansas Kangaroo Kourt and _Dover v Kitzmiller_ made them look foolish.

UD makes them look like fundamentalist religious extremist ayatollah-wanna-be's who can't tolerate any dissent whatsoever to their god-given (literally) religious opinions.  Which, of course, they ARE.

Just keep watching, and you'll see for yourself.     (shrug)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,18:32   

Oh dear, Steveh makes the mistake of telling it like it is:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1982#comment-86617

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Common sense is not so common, at least among those with a foundational commitment to materialism.


Perversly, Fire Mashalls do seem to focus on finding purely material causes for fires; Of course, they should broaden thier searches to include the supernatural as well. ID doesn’t help too much with that at present, but I am sure there are people working on it.



Dave moves quickly to protect Tardtopia from reality:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/archives/1982#comment-86621


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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,18:33   

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steveh is no longer with us

Well, it's taken some time, but what finally seems to have tipped the balance was me pointing out that html tags inserted into the title of a post, were left unmatched after the thread title was abbreviated for use in the previous-thread link at the top of the page.  Those comments no longer appear, although an ID friendly comment about fire investigators' shameful disregard for the non-material were allowed to stand.
:-)

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Also Dave,  I found another bug. I still get the comment box despite being banned.  Of course, I will respect your wishes and not add any more comments until, for example, a future regime, indicates that polite disagreement is, for the time being at least, tolerated.

edit1: added prev para.
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,18:35   

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In the Discovery Institute's Wedge Document, listed as one of its "Five Year Objectives", is:


Show it to me, or link it. I've been on the DI site several times but I don't know where it is. I thought Phillip Johnson was its author? I did see a well-done disclaimer about the wedge document by the DI. I don't recall the bit you mention. I could see Johnson writing that, perhaps. I didn't think that even he believed in a 6-day creation, and I have read one of his books but I can't remember.

I think they'd like Christian churches to defend the idea that God was behind the creation in some way, and that random processes unguided by God aren't compatible with their faith or with logic. So far, only Dawkins seems to get that.

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Where?
Did I miss it?

Yeah, it's called being blind, or selective comprehension, or something.
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No, the Kansas Kangaroo Kourt and _Dover v Kitzmiller_ made them look foolish.

No, that made the Dover school board and judge Jones look foolish.

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UD makes them look like fundamentalist religious extremist ayatollah-wanna-be's who can't tolerate any dissent whatsoever to their god-given (literally) religious opinions.

Yeah, gotta keep those beliefs in the (mental) distance, don't turn the eye of scrutiny too close.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,18:47   

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No, that made the Dover school board and judge Jones look foolish.


There's quite a breeze from all that handwaving.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,18:57   

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In the Discovery Institute's Wedge Document, listed as one of its "Five Year Objectives", is:


Show it to me, or link it. I've been on the DI site several times but I don't know where it is. I thought Phillip Johnson was its author? I did see a well-done disclaimer about the wedge document by the DI.

http://www.geocities.com/lflank/wedge.html


And here's where their, uh, "well-done disclaimer" gets shredded to bits:

http://www.geocities.com/lflank/diagenda.html

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,19:01   

####, what a dolt. DaveTard posts on ARSON ...then to save his ass from reality ( as Rich noted ) he posts on *some* FIRES being "acts of god."

Gee, DaveTard. I wonder if there's a difference between arson and other kinds of fires? Of course SOME fires are "acts of god" in the parlance...but that's not ARSON, then, is it? What a twit.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,19:06   

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I think they'd like Christian churches to defend the idea that God was behind the creation in some way, and that random processes unguided by God aren't compatible with their faith or with logic. So far, only Dawkins seems to get that.

I see.  So (1) ID is fundamentalist Christian religious apologetics, (2) IDers are just lying to us when they claim it's not, and (3) Judge Jones was entirely correct when he ruled that it *is*, and is therefore illegal to teach in science class.

That's what I suspected all along.  Thanks for clearing that up for me.


Thank God that fundies are so unalterably stupid.  They ****STILL**** have no idea at all -- no clue whatsoever -- why they lost in Dover.

This is why I love fundies so much.  All you have to do is let them talk long enough, and they shoot themselves in the head every single time.   The ONLY way the fundies can ever win in court is to shut up, completely and indefinitely, about their religious preaching.  And yet they STILL can't go ten minutes without shouting "JESUS SAVES !!!" in front of everyone.  They simply can't shut their big mouths.  Indeed, they don't WANT to.  It's why they've lost every single Federal court case they've ever been involved with.  

I love them for that.  It makes it soooooooo much easier to shred them in court every single time.

(snicker)  (giggle)

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,19:06   

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In the Discovery Institute's Wedge Document, listed as one of its "Five Year Objectives", is:


Show it to me, or link it. I've been on the DI site several times but I don't know where it is. I thought Phillip Johnson was its author? I did see a well-done disclaimer about the wedge document by the DI. I don't recall the bit you mention. I could see Johnson writing that, perhaps. I didn't think that even he believed in a 6-day creation, and I have read one of his books but I can't remember.

I think they'd like Christian churches to defend the idea that God was behind the creation in some way, and that random processes unguided by God aren't compatible with their faith or with logic. So far, only Dawkins seems to get that.

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Where?
Did I miss it?

Yeah, it's called being blind, or selective comprehension, or something.
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No, the Kansas Kangaroo Kourt and _Dover v Kitzmiller_ made them look foolish.

No, that made the Dover school board and judge Jones look foolish.

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UD makes them look like fundamentalist religious extremist ayatollah-wanna-be's who can't tolerate any dissent whatsoever to their god-given (literally) religious opinions.

Yeah, gotta keep those beliefs in the (mental) distance, don't turn the eye of scrutiny too close.

Bwhahahahahahahaha

...makes WHO look foolish?

Tell it too a Judge ...any judge...if you can get one who will listen.

What is it about the referee’s final whistle you don't get?

IF YOU WERE RIGHT the decision would be over-ruled by a higher court in an instant.


Perhaps you could join Hovind and tell him he's still innocent in your eyes and if you ask nicely the guards at his prison will let you walk out with him.


You really do live in fantasy land don't you?

Does someone come and tuck you in at bedtime and rock you to sleep?

Sweet dreams....sucker!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,19:08   

avocationist: feel free to set set forward your evidence FOR ID. I'm sure you'll find plenty of people to correct your misconceptions and misinformation.

Jones was perfectly correct in his findings in the Dover case, but if you feel competent enough to dispute that with actual data and citations, go for it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 21 2007,19:11   

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####, what a dolt. DaveTard posts on ARSON ...then to save his ass from reality ( as Rich noted ) he posts on *some* FIRES being "acts of god."

How exactly does he determine which are, and which aren't . . . ?

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