"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank
Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005
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Quote (Alan Fox @ Mar. 10 2007,11:08) |
I have made the point before that we can be more selective in who to engage. ID is defunct, and there are those, up until now ID proponents, who may be beginning to realise it. I don't think they are true opponents, just misguided. David Springer and Joe Gallien are examples of people who it is pointless debating with, as their motive is political and has nothing to do with advancing human knowledge. |
Au contrraire, those are precisely the ones we NEED to confront, since the theocrat-wanna-be's are by far the most dangerous parts of the ID movement.
Coincidentally, I just wrote, a short time ago, on another forum:
Quote | Dudes, you are wasting your time with this guy -- he doesn't know a prokaryote from a pachyderm, so all our science talk is utterly wasted on the guy.
But it certainly is convenient to have him demonstrate to everyone that, for all the arm-waving that the fundies do about how wonderfully wonderful the wonderful world is, the simple fact is that they **know next to nothing about it**.
This guy is EXACTLY the target audience for ID/creationists. He doesn't know diddley-doo about science or about the natural world, and he's not remotely interested in learning any, but he's all gung-ho to tell all the world's scientists (and most of the world's Christians) that they are wrong because his particular religious opinions SAY that they are wrong. All he does is brainlessly parrot what he's read on some creationist crapsite or another -- and since he doesn't understand any of the arguments anyway, he can't even parrot them accurately. He quite literally has no idea what he's talking about, and his entire "argument" (such as it is) boils down to "my religious opinions are right, and anyone who says otherwise is wrong".
That sums up ID/creationism in a nutshell (pun intended).
By themselves, of course, the typical ID/creationists (and again, this guy is pretty typical of all of them) are rather harmless, since nobody pays much attention to their pig-ignorant rants anyway. The danger lies in the fact that it is typical ID/creationists like this one who actually buy the books and write the letters and vote for the "godly", which is what gives the theocratic political movement its strength.
I'm quite sure that our fundie friend here is just as pig-ignorant of the political aims and goals of the ID/creationist movement as he is of all things scientific. All he knows is that ID/creationists are "fighting for Jebus against the evil atheists" --and, of course, he is wrong on both counts; perhaps he will be bright enough to figure out that most of the people here who are telling him he's full of shit are *Christians*, but given the past history of the hundreds of creationuts we've had over the years, it seems awfully unlikely. Their willfull blindness runs just as deep as their willfull ignorance.
The typical rank-and-filer ID/creationist is, generally, just a pig-ignorant putz who is being led around by the nose by people he doesn't understand. The people at the *top*, though, the people who write the books, produce the websites, make the lecture tours and form the political organizations, know EXACTLY what they are doing. They are deceptive, evasive, dishonest and secretive, deliberately and with malice aforethought. Our fundie friend here has no idea at all what he is a part of or what he is supporting. If he were to actually read the political program the ID/creationists have been proposing, he'd likely be shocked (and since he won't believe me if *I* tell him, I will leave it to him to discover it for himself, if he dares -- just go Google the terms "Christian Reconstructionism", "Howard Ahmanson" and "Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture".)
This guy is just a minnow. It's the bigger fish at the top that I want. |
Seems appropriate here too.
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