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Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2007,20:04    [Graffiti moved to Bathroom Wall. -Admin] Quote (supersport @ Sep. 19 2007,14:51) By the way, just to follow up on DR GH's comment about Anolis lizards (and their legs) proving natural selection... No sort'a stupid, you asked: Quote 1) Show me one instance where science transplanted a group of animals to a new environment and observed them for multiple generations to see if new traits quickly/purposefully/nonrandomly emerged. I showed you two.  You are too stupid to even follow your own questions. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

afdave Posts: 1621 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,10:21    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 19 2007,12:11)   Quote I accept the evidence for an asteroid impact.  But there was never any such period in real history known as "The Cretaceous."  This is an artificial time demarcation created by those who believe the earth is very old.  And most evidence indicates that it is not very old.  So I guess that makes the answer 'yes' and 'no.' OK, so do you chalk up what geologists call the Cretaceous as a brief time period in a young earth timescale, or do you think of it as an artifact of deposition during the Noachian Flood? The latter. JohnW... Quote you're citing evidence you don't really accept? Not sure what you're talking about.  I accept that there was an asteroid impact.  And the point of my article was to show you how wrong Lyell was in spite of his almost universal early acceptance.  In the same way, Darwin has been almost universally accepted ... however, this too shall pass. New article, BTW, at my blog on yet another confirmed creationist prediction ... click the link in my sig below. Also, the Coconino discussion seems to be sprouting legs after all in spite of Worldtraveller's attempts to shut down dialog ... http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=221142 -------------- A DILEMMA FOR THE COMMITTED NATURALIST A Hi-tech alien spaceship lands on earth ... DESIGNED. A Hi-tech alien rotary motor found in a cell ... NOT DESIGNED. http://afdave.wordpress.com/....ess.com

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,16:08    Bob Jones, AIDS, and the gays: http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....hp#more

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,16:13    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 20 2007,10:21) Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 19 2007,12:11)     Quote I accept the evidence for an asteroid impact.  But there was never any such period in real history known as "The Cretaceous."  This is an artificial time demarcation created by those who believe the earth is very old.  And most evidence indicates that it is not very old.  So I guess that makes the answer 'yes' and 'no.' OK, so do you chalk up what geologists call the Cretaceous as a brief time period in a young earth timescale, or do you think of it as an artifact of deposition during the Noachian Flood? The latter. so the asteroid impact happened after the flood?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,16:16    The View and that World is Flat Business. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20887159/

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,16:27    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 20 2007,16:08) Bob Jones, AIDS, and the gays: http://scienceblogs.com/dispatc....hp#more So the people who get AIDS from hetero contact or blood transfusions are God's 'collateral damage'. And God must have a soft spot in his heart for lesbians, 'cuz they don't get AIDS at all. What's that all about? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,16:34    Quote (jeannot @ Sep. 20 2007,16:13) Quote (afdave @ Sep. 20 2007,10:21) Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 19 2007,12:11)     Quote I accept the evidence for an asteroid impact.  But there was never any such period in real history known as "The Cretaceous."  This is an artificial time demarcation created by those who believe the earth is very old.  And most evidence indicates that it is not very old.  So I guess that makes the answer 'yes' and 'no.' OK, so do you chalk up what geologists call the Cretaceous as a brief time period in a young earth timescale, or do you think of it as an artifact of deposition during the Noachian Flood? The latter. so the asteroid impact happened after the flood? and nobody noticed it. What foolishness YEC is! -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 20 2007,16:42    Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Sep. 20 2007,16:34) Quote (jeannot @ Sep. 20 2007,16:13) Quote (afdave @ Sep. 20 2007,10:21)   Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 19 2007,12:11)       Quote I accept the evidence for an asteroid impact.  But there was never any such period in real history known as "The Cretaceous."  This is an artificial time demarcation created by those who believe the earth is very old.  And most evidence indicates that it is not very old.  So I guess that makes the answer 'yes' and 'no.' OK, so do you chalk up what geologists call the Cretaceous as a brief time period in a young earth timescale, or do you think of it as an artifact of deposition during the Noachian Flood? The latter. so the asteroid impact happened after the flood? and nobody noticed it. What foolishness YEC is! If I am not mistaken, the asteroid hit somewhere near the Yucatan.  Now, Mormon theology holds that the American Indians are actually one of the Lost Tribes of Israel.  So, I would have to guess that there was a sufficient period of time between when Noah and the family disembarked and when the earth was populated enough for their to be 12 tribes of Israel and for 10 of them to get lost. No problem sneaking a asteroid or two in the interval. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,00:28    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 19 2007,03:03) Run from threads at other forums?  Your skewed view of reality knows no limits.  What happens is that Worldtraveller--the activist anti-creationist mod at IIDB--doesn't like ToE getting pummeled so he locks the threads and issues me bogus infractions. Dave, can you tell us what the Theory of Evolution has to do with the age or deposition mechanism of the Coconino sandstone? I'm sure geology and geophysics have a lot to say about the subject, but evolutionary biology does not. No matter how many times we correct you on the scope of inquiry of the Theory of Evolution, you still manage to get it wrong. And yes, Dave, you "run from threads" on other forums. You got pounded to dust on radiocarbon calibration curves, so now you've developed this sudden fascination with the Coconino and the Sahara Desert. Quote  He does this repeatedly while at the same time people are telling me that "evolutionists are fair minded", "there is no censorship of creationists going on", etc.   Closed comments on my blog?  I don't think so.  Maybe you are trying to comment on some really old posts or something. And as for your blog, Dave: given your history of "editing" postings there, or posting "edited" comments from other blogs there, no one in their right mind would post comments on your blog. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,00:43    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 19 2007,08:12) AFRAID OF THE COCONINO SANDSTONE Apparently the moderators at the Evolution/Creation Forum at IIDB are afraid to allow discussion of the Coconino Sandstone. No, Dave. They're not "afraid" of discussing it. It's just not worth discussing. You've already said you're not interested in debating topics you don't understand, you clearly have no idea of your own how either sandstone or deserts are formed, and you've already said you're not interested in defending your own "hypothesis" about how it's formed, so could you please explain to us what the point of even debating you would be?   Quote  It seems that conventional geologists--while asserting that it is of aeolian (wind) origin--have no explanation for how the sand got there to begin with.  Wind can only account for variations in previously existing sand.  Apparently they have no explanation for how the sand got there in the first place. Dave, that explanation was already given to you. You didn't disagree with it; you couldn't find fault with it; you didn't even give any indication you understood it. You simply pretended it had never been given.   Quote And the E/C mods don't want to allow discussion about it.  They shut down my thread AND they shut down someone else's thread ... They shut it down because all of your questions had been answered, but you pretended they hadn't been. The mods at IIDB have clearly become weary of your behavior, Dave, and they shut you down when you pretend no one's answering your questions while not even attempting to answer the questions posed to you.   Quote The pretense for shutting down my thread is the old canard "Dave doesn't answer questions people ask of him" which of course a) isn't true, and b) wouldn't matter. It most certainly is true, Dave, as has been documented extensively.   Quote  Where are the rules for answering questions at IIDB.  The admins themselves have acknowledged that I don't have to answer ANY if I don't want to.  But of course I do answer many. No one can make you answer questions, Dave. But if you fail and refuse to answer questions, the mods at IIDB are under no obligation to let you run wild on multiple threads. Hence the thread locking. The number of questions you do answer is dwarfed by the number of questions that pose lethal challenges to your assertions, which you not only fail to answer, you fail to acknoweldge.   Quote So here we go again (where have I seen this behavior before?) ... Mods at non-creationist forums afraid to engage creationists while at the same time bad mouthing ID forums for banning non-ID people. Interesting isn't it? It would be interesting if it were true. Anyone here can judge for themselves how accurate your portrayal is of your treatment at IIDB. And, I can't help but point out that you have never been banned at any anti-creationist website. Meanwhile, pro-creationists ban posters on trivial pretexts. Check out the Uncommonly Dense thread right here at AtBC for examples. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,00:48    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 19 2007,09:53) I accept the evidence for an asteroid impact.  But there was never any such period in real history known as "The Cretaceous."  This is an artificial time demarcation created by those who believe the earth is very old.  And most evidence indicates that it is not very old.  So I guess that makes the answer 'yes' and 'no.' Dave, you've been claiming for a year and a half now that "most evidence indicates that [the earth] is not very old." Aside from not being able to get your error bars in your estimate of the earth's age under 75%, and aside from frequently citing evidence that the earth is more than a million years old in attempts to support an assertion that it is less than ten thousand years old, you still have never favored us with any of this so-called "evidence" of a young earth. You've been given evidence from multiple lines of inquiry that the Chicxulub impact at the end of the Cretaceous is 65 million years old ± a few percent. Meanwhile, where is your evidence that the crater is of any particular age? -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,00:54    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 20 2007,08:21)   Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 19 2007,12:11)       Quote I accept the evidence for an asteroid impact.  But there was never any such period in real history known as "The Cretaceous."  This is an artificial time demarcation created by those who believe the earth is very old.  And most evidence indicates that it is not very old.  So I guess that makes the answer 'yes' and 'no.' OK, so do you chalk up what geologists call the Cretaceous as a brief time period in a young earth timescale, or do you think of it as an artifact of deposition during the Noachian Flood? The latter. JohnW...     Quote you're citing evidence you don't really accept? Not sure what you're talking about.  I accept that there was an asteroid impact.  And the point of my article was to show you how wrong Lyell was in spite of his almost universal early acceptance.  In the same way, Darwin has been almost universally accepted ... however, this too shall pass. New article, BTW, at my blog on yet another confirmed creationist prediction ... click the link in my sig below. Also, the Coconino discussion seems to be sprouting legs after all in spite of Worldtraveller's attempts to shut down dialog ... http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=221142 Dave, you still don't get what is meant my "uniformitarian processes." It means natural processes that work the same now as they did in the past. By that definition, an asteroidal impact is as much a "uniformitarian" process as glaciation or sedimentation are. If an asteroid or comet the same size as the Chicxulub impact struck the earth in approximately the same location, it would have the same effect today that it had 65 million years ago. Dave has this loony-tunes idea that because something is "catastrophic" (and a cometary impact is certainly a catastrophe for anything alive at the time), it's evidence for a global catastrophic flood 4,500 years ago. In Dave's mind (if that's not too strong of a term for it), the Chicxulub impact is evidence for his beloved global flood. Somehow. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,00:56    Double post, dammit. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

afdave Posts: 1621 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,08:56    Quote and nobody noticed it. An asteroid hitting the earth way off in the vicinity of the Yucatan (where nobody probably lived yet ... this asteroid probably hit pre-Babel) was probably not a newsworthy event to a people who had just survived a cataclysm the nature and scale of the Global Flood.  Big event, yes.  But not even close in comparison to the Flood event itself. For more discussion of the origin of asteroids and meteors, read Dr. Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory ... http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Asteroids.html I recently got Dr. Brown to agree to recorded phone interviews about his theory.  I'm looking for geologists and engineers to discuss his theory with him.  I've got 4 or 5 takers so far, but only one of them is an engineer or geologist.  Let me know if anyone here is interested. -------------- A DILEMMA FOR THE COMMITTED NATURALIST A Hi-tech alien spaceship lands on earth ... DESIGNED. A Hi-tech alien rotary motor found in a cell ... NOT DESIGNED. http://afdave.wordpress.com/....ess.com

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,09:06    We evolutionists should be ashamed of our behavior. What kind of censorious bastards would only let AFDave post 1,580 comments. We might as well be Nazis.

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,09:27    AFDAVE . Quote But there was never any such period in real history known as "The Cretaceous."   Says you. If you think you really have a case, why don't you get every geology textbook corrected? You have ....er an alternitive proposal right? Approx. 3000 BCE right? That would explain why the ancient Egyptians were wiped out at the same time as the dinosaurs. Bwahahahahahaha -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

Pappy Jack Posts: 5 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,09:40    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 19 2007,11:53) I accept the evidence for an asteroid impact.  But there was never any such period in real history known as "The Cretaceous."  This is an artificial time demarcation created by those who believe the earth is very old.  And most evidence indicates that it is not very old.  So I guess that makes the answer 'yes' and 'no.' Well, if you accept the evidence for the K/T impact event, you must be fairly confident that the evidence for other impact events as collated by the Earth Impact Database folks is reasonably reliable? From their estimates of the terrestrial cratering rate, they reckon a K/T event occurs once every 50-100 million years. From your perspective, this rate is obviously nonsense as the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. However, if the cratering rate is based on a count of actual, observed events, then in and of itself it must be an absolute and can be applied to whatever timespan we believe the Earth to have existed? My simple sense of math leads me to make this uncomplicated comparison: 'Deep Time' age of Earth: c.4.5byo (rounded for simplicity) 'YEC' age of Earth: c.10kyo (upper limit used) Rate of K/T impacts ('Deep Time'): every 50-100my Probable no. of K/T impacts ('Deep Time' - lower rate used): 45 Probable no. of K/T impacts applied to 'YEC' dating: 1 every 222 years I am sure you can kick all sorts of holes in this logic (I can myself), but as the EID lists a total of seven impact events with diameters >50% that of the K/T event and no fewer than 41 with diameters of at least 20km (reckoned to produce atmospheric blow-out and nuclear winter effects) the K/T monsters that have been identified occurred every 1,430 years under the 'YEC' model or, if you really think they are all post-flud, even more frequently (every 720 years). Make the same back-of-an-envelope calculations for those of 20kms or greater and its every 250 years (10,000 years) or every 125 years (post-flud). Or did they all occur within a few short weeks/months/years of the flud? If they did, how come nobody noticed?

k.e Posts: 1948 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,09:52    Noah was a creationist and he censored it -------------- The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,10:09    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 21 2007,08:56) Quote and nobody noticed it. An asteroid hitting the earth way off in the vicinity of the Yucatan (where nobody probably lived yet ... this asteroid probably hit pre-Babel) was probably not a newsworthy event to a people who had just survived a cataclysm the nature and scale of the Global Flood.  Big event, yes.  But not even close in comparison to the Flood event itself. For more discussion of the origin of asteroids and meteors, read Dr. Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory ... http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Asteroids.html I recently got Dr. Brown to agree to recorded phone interviews about his theory.  I'm looking for geologists and engineers to discuss his theory with him.  I've got 4 or 5 takers so far, but only one of them is an engineer or geologist.  Let me know if anyone here is interested. Looks like AFDave and FTK have finally linked up... But although Walt Brown Is Everywhere, but he is strangely silent about Hemorrhoid impacts in the late Cretaceous. How will Afdave reconcile THIS bit of burning evidence? -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,11:24    Quote (k.e @ Sep. 21 2007,09:27) That would explain why the ancient Egyptians were wiped out at the same time as the dinosaurs. Yeah, but they're in de Nile about it.

ericmurphy Posts: 2460 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,12:03    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 21 2007,06:56)   Quote and nobody noticed it. An asteroid hitting the earth way off in the vicinity of the Yucatan (where nobody probably lived yet ... this asteroid probably hit pre-Babel) was probably not a newsworthy event to a people who had just survived a cataclysm the nature and scale of the Global Flood.  Big event, yes.  But not even close in comparison to the Flood event itself. A half-inch-thick layer of clay that blanketed the earth, a tsunami that certainly would have sunk the ark, if any such thing had existed, would not have been reported because no one would have survived it. Your post-flood ice age should have been a pretty big story, too, given that it exterminated an entire major clade, the dinosaurs. But strangely enough, no one reported that, either. -------------- 2006 MVD award for most dogged defense of scientific sanity "Atheism is a religion the same way NOT collecting stamps is a hobby." —Scott Adams

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,12:11    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 21 2007,06:56) I recently got Dr. Brown to agree to recorded phone interviews about his theory.  I'm looking for geologists and engineers to discuss his theory with him.  I've got 4 or 5 takers so far, but only one of them is an engineer or geologist.  Let me know if anyone here is interested. My italics. I'm looking for statisticians and dairy farmers to discuss Bayes' Theorem.  I've got 4 or 5 takers so far, but only one of them is a statistician or dairy farmer. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,12:14    Quote (ericmurphy @ Sep. 21 2007,12:03) Your post-flood ice age should have been a pretty big story, too, given that it exterminated an entire major clade, the dinosaurs. But strangely enough, no one reported that, either. Velociraptors hadn't learned how to write, so how could they report it?

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,12:18    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 21 2007,08:56)   Quote and nobody noticed it. An asteroid hitting the earth way off in the vicinity of the Yucatan (where nobody probably lived yet ... this asteroid probably hit pre-Babel) Probably?  You are just making stuff up and calling it an answer! Quote (afdave @ Sep. 21 2007,08:56) was probably not a newsworthy event to a people who had just survived a cataclysm the nature and scale of the Global Flood.  Big event, yes.  But not even close in comparison to the Flood event itself. I can top that.  The Egyptians and Chinese didn't notice the Flood in the middle of their civilizations.  It is amazing how such inattentive people can survive. Well, let us think a bit more about asteroid impacts, and their frequencies.   There are 150 major impact craters - none of which were noteworthy enough to put in the Bible even though the authors sure did put in a lot of pointless begats.  Go ahead, tell us why none were noticed - were all of these "probably" after the Flood? -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Occam's Toothbrush Posts: 555 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,12:20    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 21 2007,09:56)   Quote and nobody noticed it. An asteroid hitting the earth way off in the vicinity of the Yucatan (where nobody probably lived yet ... this asteroid probably hit pre-Babel) was probably not a newsworthy event to a people who had just survived a cataclysm the nature and scale of the Global Flood.  Big event, yes.  But not even close in comparison to the Flood event itself. For more discussion of the origin of asteroids and meteors, read Dr. Walt Brown's Hydroplate Theory ... http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/Asteroids.html I recently got Dr. Brown to agree to recorded phone interviews about his theory.  I'm looking for geologists and engineers to discuss his theory with him.  I've got 4 or 5 takers so far, but only one of them is an engineer or geologist.  Let me know if anyone here is interested. With all the crazy shit going on in the world, I'm sure nobody would even really notice if this happened:   Quote The meteorite's estimated size was about 10 km (6 mi) in diameter, releasing an estimated 500 zettajoules (5.0×1023 joules) of energy, approximately 100 teratons of TNT (1014 tons),[1] on impact. By contrast, the most powerful man-made explosive device ever detonated, the Tsar Bomba or Emperor Bomb, had a yield of only 50 megatons, which would make this impact 2,000,000 times more powerful. The impact would have caused some of the largest megatsunamis in Earth's history. These would have spread in all directions, hitting the Caribbean island of Cuba especially hard. A cloud of dust, ash and steam would spread itself from the crater. The pieces of the meteorite would have rained all over Earth, igniting global wildfires. The shock waves would have continued hundreds of kilometers into the planet, causing global earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. The emission of dust and particles would have covered the entire surface of the earth for several years, possibly a decade, creating a harsh environment I mean, not to the point that anyone would write it down or anything. -------------- "Molecular stuff seems to me not to be biology as much as it is a more atomic element of life" --Creo nut Robert Byers ------ "You need your arrogant ass kicked, and I would LOVE to be the guy who does it. Where do you live?" --Anger Management Problem Concern Troll "Kris"

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,12:39    Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Sep. 21 2007,12:20) Quote (afdave @ Sep. 21 2007,09:56)   Quote and nobody noticed it. An asteroid hitting the earth way off in the vicinity of the Yucatan (where nobody probably lived yet ... this asteroid probably hit pre-Babel) was probably not a newsworthy event to a people who had just survived a cataclysm the nature and scale of the Global Flood.  Big event, yes.  But not even close in comparison to the Flood event itself. With all the crazy shit going on in the world, I'm sure nobody would even really notice if this happened:     Quote The meteorite's estimated size was about 10 km (6 mi) in diameter, releasing an estimated 500 zettajoules (5.0×1023 joules) of energy, approximately 100 teratons of TNT (1014 tons),[1] on impact. By contrast, the most powerful man-made explosive device ever detonated, the Tsar Bomba or Emperor Bomb, had a yield of only 50 megatons, which would make this impact 2,000,000 times more powerful. The impact would have caused some of the largest megatsunamis in Earth's history. These would have spread in all directions, hitting the Caribbean island of Cuba especially hard. A cloud of dust, ash and steam would spread itself from the crater. The pieces of the meteorite would have rained all over Earth, igniting global wildfires. The shock waves would have continued hundreds of kilometers into the planet, causing global earthquakes and volcanic eruptions. The emission of dust and particles would have covered the entire surface of the earth for several years, possibly a decade, creating a harsh environment I mean, not to the point that anyone would write it down or anything. Debris was ejected a quarter of the way to the moon! I have to wonder about throwing in another catastrophe right after the flood.  Make that about a 150 major sized rocks.  AFDave's God sounds like the neighborhood juvenile delinquent. -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,12:48    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 21 2007,06:56) Quote and nobody noticed it. An asteroid hitting the earth way off in the vicinity of the Yucatan (where nobody probably lived yet ... this asteroid probably hit pre-Babel) was probably not a newsworthy event to a people who had just survived a cataclysm the nature and scale of the Global Flood.  Big event, yes.  But not even close in comparison to the Flood event itself. I know it's probably a waste of time poking holes in this (as far as I can see, it's all hole) but something else occurs to me.  If the asteroid hit after the flood, then all Tertiary rocks, everywhere, have been deposited post-flood, in the last 3,000 years or so.  Rock formation at this sort of speed isn't observed now, so we have a few more questions for afdave to run away from: - How were all those rocks formed?  Don't forget that, now you've decided they are post-flood, you've got a lot of marine sediments on land to explain. - When did the rock formation slow down and why? - Why did no-one notice all this at the time? Thanks in advance for running away, changing the subject, or claiming you've already answered these questions. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

jeannot Posts: 1201 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,13:59    AFDave: "there is no such things as tertiary rocks" /AFDave

afdave Posts: 1621 Joined: April 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,15:42    Who said the asteroid hit AFTER the Flood? -------------- A DILEMMA FOR THE COMMITTED NATURALIST A Hi-tech alien spaceship lands on earth ... DESIGNED. A Hi-tech alien rotary motor found in a cell ... NOT DESIGNED. http://afdave.wordpress.com/....ess.com

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 21 2007,15:46    Quote (afdave @ Sep. 21 2007,15:42) Who said the asteroid hit AFTER the Flood? Dave, you really need to keep your own damn story straight.  The asteroid hit caused the dinosaurs to go extinct, right?  And the dinosaurs were on the ark, right? The only logical conclusion is that the asteroid had to hit after the flood. Added in edit:  Besides that, haven't you asserted that the continents didn't separate until the flood (Walt Browns hyrdoplate theory, isn't it)?  So, if the current continents were all one large, populated landmass before the flood and, as you seem to apply above, the asteroid hit during that time frame, why is there no mention of it in the Bible? Jesus-tap-dancing-Christ, Dave, you really need to start thinking a step or two ahead. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

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