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Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,05:43    Quote OK- for a one star with one planet/ moon system to work, empty space will have to some factor larger than the system- ie relativity. Put the Sun in the space of say the orbit of Mars and all of a sudden its mass overwhelms that relatively small area which would cause a “black hole effect”, meaning everything would fall into it. So yes, if a designer could figure out how much space is needed to support such a simple system, it could be pulled off. But such a system would have much less to scientifically discover-> astronomy and cosmology are basically wiped-out. But anyway, Rich said something about a designer being able to design this complex universe but not a simple one such as his one-star universe, is absurd. From here. That really does deserve the Dembski Cup: -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,08:58    That turkey dislays  the fine between tard and turd. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

socle Posts: 322 Joined: July 2009 (Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,09:39    Quote (Amadan @ April 15 2012,05:43)   Quote OK- for a one star with one planet/ moon system to work, empty space will have to some factor larger than the system- ie relativity. Put the Sun in the space of say the orbit of Mars and all of a sudden its mass overwhelms that relatively small area which would cause a “black hole effect”, meaning everything would fall into it. So yes, if a designer could figure out how much space is needed to support such a simple system, it could be pulled off. But such a system would have much less to scientifically discover-> astronomy and cosmology are basically wiped-out. But anyway, Rich said something about a designer being able to design this complex universe but not a simple one such as his one-star universe, is absurd. From here. That really does deserve the Dembski Cup: There are so many errors and misconceptions in that brief passage---I'm in awe. I actually thought that Joe had in mind something relating to Mach's Paradox, but apparently I overestimated him (yet again).

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,15:04    Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 24 2010,14:30) Crosspost: I should probably update with with "LoL! ..." -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 15 2012,18:28    "Ya see..." -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,03:38    Quote (Richardthughes @ April 15 2012,20:04) Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 24 2010,14:30) Crosspost: I should probably update with with "LoL! ..." So true it was worth saying twice. Louis -------------- Bye.

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,05:15    Quote OK- for a one star with one planet/ moon system to work, empty space will have to some factor larger than the system- ie relativity. Put the Sun in the space of say the orbit of Mars and all of a sudden its mass overwhelms that relatively small area which would cause a “black hole effect”, meaning everything would fall into it. So yes, if a designer could figure out how much space is needed to support such a simple system, it could be pulled off. But such a system would have much less to scientifically discover-> astronomy and cosmology are basically wiped-out. But anyway, Rich said something about a designer being able to design this complex universe but not a simple one such as his one-star universe, is absurd. Designed to silence the opposition? I am speechless! -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,11:16    Fucking dumbass I love that the guy who can't do seventh grade physics is going to overturn all of science. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,12:07    Quote (Lou FCD @ April 16 2012,11:16) Fucking dumbass I love that the guy who can't do seventh grade physics is going to overturn all of science. Where "overturn" = "beat the crap out of" -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,12:42    It continues: Quote The parameters are that space ends at the orbit of Mars, which isn’t enough space to allow for any orbits given the mass of the Sun at the center of it. This really is AFDave quality stuff, though it lacks the charming unalloyed faith in the creationist "expert" whose colouring book thesis Dave discovered in the church basement. Joe has only got his own musings and scribbles on a ketchup-stained napkin. -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Tom A Posts: 28 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,13:03    Quote (Quack @ April 16 2012,05:15) Quote OK- for a one star with one planet/ moon system to work, empty space will have to some factor larger than the system- ie relativity. Put the Sun in the space of say the orbit of Mars and all of a sudden its mass overwhelms that relatively small area which would cause a “black hole effect”, meaning everything would fall into it. So yes, if a designer could figure out how much space is needed to support such a simple system, it could be pulled off. But such a system would have much less to scientifically discover-> astronomy and cosmology are basically wiped-out. But anyway, Rich said something about a designer being able to design this complex universe but not a simple one such as his one-star universe, is absurd. Designed to silence the opposition? I am speechless! You can't just make stuff like this up.... Wait a minute...my error. Obviously, you can.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,13:41    Quote (Amadan @ April 16 2012,10:42) It continues:   Quote The parameters are that space ends at the orbit of Mars, which isn’t enough space to allow for any orbits given the mass of the Sun at the center of it. This really is AFDave quality stuff, though it lacks the charming unalloyed faith in the creationist "expert" whose colouring book thesis Dave discovered in the church basement. Joe has only got his own musings and scribbles on a ketchup-stained napkin. Fucking hell.  I thought Joe was going to turn to "God designed centripetal force" to get out of this mess, but "space ends at the orbit of Mars"?  What the fuck does he think Jupiter is travelling through?  The 14th dimension?  Tea?  Wood? I didn't think there were this many hallucinogens in the world. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,13:45    Quote (Lou FCD @ April 16 2012,11:16) Fucking dumbass I love that the guy who can't do seventh grade physics is going to overturn all of science. But he can do flooring - all kinds of floors - so he's got that going for him. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,13:48    I still love the thought of the rest of the universe tugging at earth to stop if falling into the sun. Priceless. Almost any thought at all about that instantly leads you to how wrong it is. But first you must have 'any thought'. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,13:51    He has to do floors, in order to have something to mop up the evolutionists with.

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,13:54    Quote (JohnW @ April 16 2012,20:41) Quote (Amadan @ April 16 2012,10:42) It continues:   Quote The parameters are that space ends at the orbit of Mars, which isn’t enough space to allow for any orbits given the mass of the Sun at the center of it. This really is AFDave quality stuff, though it lacks the charming unalloyed faith in the creationist "expert" whose colouring book thesis Dave discovered in the church basement. Joe has only got his own musings and scribbles on a ketchup-stained napkin. Fucking hell.  I thought Joe was going to turn to "God designed centripetal force" to get out of this mess, but "space ends at the orbit of Mars"?  What the fuck does he think Jupiter is travelling through?  The 14th dimension?  Tea?  Wood? I didn't think there were this many hallucinogens in the world. If /sarcasm, then disregard this, I eat dicks! But as for the quote, I thing Joe was just giving the details for his hypothetical model. Granted, it's probably a "6 parts, up to 4 years old" model, but still... -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,13:56    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ April 16 2012,20:54) Quote (JohnW @ April 16 2012,20:41) Quote (Amadan @ April 16 2012,10:42) It continues:     Quote The parameters are that space ends at the orbit of Mars, which isn’t enough space to allow for any orbits given the mass of the Sun at the center of it. This really is AFDave quality stuff, though it lacks the charming unalloyed faith in the creationist "expert" whose colouring book thesis Dave discovered in the church basement. Joe has only got his own musings and scribbles on a ketchup-stained napkin. Fucking hell.  I thought Joe was going to turn to "God designed centripetal force" to get out of this mess, but "space ends at the orbit of Mars"?  What the fuck does he think Jupiter is travelling through?  The 14th dimension?  Tea?  Wood? I didn't think there were this many hallucinogens in the world. If /sarcasm, then disregard this, I eat dicks! But as for the quote, I think Joe was just giving the details for his hypothetical model. Granted, it's probably a "6 parts, up to 4 years old" model, but still... ETA: yeah Phil, "I thing", totally legit... -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 16 2012,20:50    You kids 'n' your crazy street talk. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

utidjian Posts: 185 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,01:53    Quote (JohnW @ April 16 2012,13:41) Quote (Amadan @ April 16 2012,10:42) It continues:   Quote The parameters are that space ends at the orbit of Mars, which isn’t enough space to allow for any orbits given the mass of the Sun at the center of it. This really is AFDave quality stuff, though it lacks the charming unalloyed faith in the creationist "expert" whose colouring book thesis Dave discovered in the church basement. Joe has only got his own musings and scribbles on a ketchup-stained napkin. Fucking hell.  I thought Joe was going to turn to "God designed centripetal force" to get out of this mess, but "space ends at the orbit of Mars"?  What the fuck does he think Jupiter is travelling through?  The 14th dimension?  Tea?  Wood? I didn't think there were this many hallucinogens in the world. Jupiter is travelling through holes made by moles. Very big moles. -DU- -------------- Being laughed at doesn't mean you're progressing along some line. It probably just means you're saying some stupid shit -stevestory

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,11:22    Or maybe a large number of moles - maybe an Avogadro's number of them?

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 17 2012,12:33    Beyond the orbit of Mars... -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2012,03:19    Joe: Quote LoL! We were talking about BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION, not the OoL. And BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION does NOT require any intervention. ? So Joe in fact accepts evolution without any intervention from the OOL on. http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....t-10686 -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

iconofid Posts: 32 Joined: July 2009 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2012,06:21    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 19 2012,03:19) Joe:   Quote LoL! We were talking about BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION, not the OoL. And BIOLOGICAL EVOLUTION does NOT require any intervention. ? So Joe in fact accepts evolution without any intervention from the OOL on. http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....t....t-10686 Yes, Joe has become a "frontloader", it appears. He's also disagreeing with Dembski and Wells that there's evidence for design that contradicts "materialism", and with Behe that there's an "edge" to naturalistic evolution. Dr. Who knows how to turn around Joe's claims that materialism isn't testable to show that it contradicts any claims that there's evidence for a non-material designer. I'm not sure whether or not Joe has understood this yet.

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2012,07:08    Joe is just Joe. That isn't evidence of his beliefs.  He just can't shut the F up.  Whatever anyone says is wrong and Joe immediately takes the opposite position.  Heck, even Joe's socks on his own blog are antagonized by Joe. I would definitely save that post for future use though and watch Joe squirm. It would be really funny to have a sock say something (very difficult to parse) that supports front-loading and then let Joe run over him about how he's wrong. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2012,08:52    In a new (still in moderation) gambit Joe is going to teh ethereal nature of information: Quote In storage devices. That does not mean the storage devices are the information. Does a blank disk weigh more, less or the same as a programmed disk? Weighs the same <> is the same. The information is the configuration. and even then its only information within an existing framework. Can we take both disks away and have keep the information without a substrate? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2012,09:14    Quote (Richardthughes @ April 19 2012,08:52) In a new (still in moderation) gambit Joe is going to teh ethereal nature of information:   Quote In storage devices. That does not mean the storage devices are the information. Does a blank disk weigh more, less or the same as a programmed disk? Weighs the same <> is the same. The information is the configuration. and even then its only information within an existing framework. Can we take both disks away and have keep the information without a substrate? In 2007 the information on the internet weighed 0.2 millionths of an ounce. http://discovermagazine.com/2007.......t:int=1 More recently we have this: http://www.nature.com/news.......1.10186   Quote In 1961, IBM physicist Rolf Landauer argued that to reset one bit of information — say, to set a binary digit to zero in a computer memory regardless of whether it is initially 1 or 0 — must release a certain minimum amount of heat, proportional to the ambient temperature. New work has now finally confirmed that Landauer was right. To test the principle, the researchers created a simple two-state bit: a single microscopic silica bead held in a 'light trap' by a laser beam. (Abstract) The trap contains two 'valleys' where the particle can rest, one representing a 1 and the other a 0. It could jump between the two if the energy 'hill' separating them is not too high. The researchers could control this height by changing the power of the laser, and could 'tilt' the two valleys to tip the bead into one of them by moving the physical cell containing the bead slightly out of the laser's focus. By monitoring the position and speed of the particle during a cycle of switching and resetting the bit, they could calculate how much energy was dissipated bits = heat = materialism. No magic non-material information found, required or needed. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: April 19 2012,15:42    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ April 19 2012,09:14) Quote (Richardthughes @ April 19 2012,08:52) In a new (still in moderation) gambit Joe is going to teh ethereal nature of information:     Quote In storage devices. That does not mean the storage devices are the information. Does a blank disk weigh more, less or the same as a programmed disk? Weighs the same <> is the same. The information is the configuration. and even then its only information within an existing framework. Can we take both disks away and have keep the information without a substrate? In 2007 the information on the internet weighed 0.2 millionths of an ounce. http://discovermagazine.com/2007.......t:int=1 More recently we have this: http://www.nature.com/news.......1.10186   Quote In 1961, IBM physicist Rolf Landauer argued that to reset one bit of information — say, to set a binary digit to zero in a computer memory regardless of whether it is initially 1 or 0 — must release a certain minimum amount of heat, proportional to the ambient temperature. New work has now finally confirmed that Landauer was right. To test the principle, the researchers created a simple two-state bit: a single microscopic silica bead held in a 'light trap' by a laser beam. (Abstract) The trap contains two 'valleys' where the particle can rest, one representing a 1 and the other a 0. It could jump between the two if the energy 'hill' separating them is not too high. The researchers could control this height by changing the power of the laser, and could 'tilt' the two valleys to tip the bead into one of them by moving the physical cell containing the bead slightly out of the laser's focus. By monitoring the position and speed of the particle during a cycle of switching and resetting the bit, they could calculate how much energy was dissipated bits = heat = materialism. No magic non-material information found, required or needed. NOW!!! we can calculate entropy on information (in digital media). But IDists still won't know how to do that.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA This is pretty cool. -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2012,17:59    I've collected Joe's entire repertoire in one place to save others the pain of following it live. Quote it is still a crap-shoot as to what gets inherited. Magical ratchet- they think it is a magical ratchet… populations oscillate you didn’t present any evidence first you have to demonstrate that you understand what ID says. fitness is an after-the-fact assessment. Please stay on-topic. But there is one thing it can do -- it can undo what artificial selection has done. Where and when did I claim that evolution can do nothing but break things? LoL! THAT was for NATURAL SELECTION and it does not say anything about breaking things. Obvioulsy you have personal issues that you should seek help for… Design is a better explanation and unlike your position, it can actually be tested. But thank you for proving that you are still clueless. "What part of evolution creates things then, according to Joe?" The part of evolution that is designed to create things. YOU tell us. Or just admit that your position is total nonsense. Obvioulsy there isn’t anything published pertaining to the power of natural selection. So you don’t have anything but belligerence. I already have shown it. YOU choked on it, as usual. Right- evolutionism has nothing published in any paper. All you can do is act like a cry-baby, but that isn’t an act… The topic is about NATURAL SELECTION and YOU are the obvious fool. cowards always try to change the topic when their nonsense is exposed. Until evos start supporting their position I don’t have to do anything but point and laugh. When someone asks a legitimate, on-topic question I will answer it. The actual positive evidence for my claims is in the real world- the world you ignore as if your ignorance means something But anyway thanks for continuing to prove that you are nothing but a joke… Well discussing natural selection makes evos get even more belligerent than normal. So maybe it does something after all…. The confusion and cowardice are all yours… Looks like I am correct, again. And you are left holding yourself, again… No Rich, I am talking about evolutionism, which has zero peer-review support… YOU are a proven liar. I understand orbital mechanics. Obviously you are just a loser and a liar. That a planet can and will spiral into its host star. Take your false accusations and shove them up your ass. YOU do not reproduce (we hope) and all you observe is uranus. Nope, that’s just your normal every day smell. Perhaps if you pulled your head out of your arse and washed up…. I stand by my claim that you are a dishonest prick and a Captain Coward. I believe the universe was designed and it could be roughly 14 billion years old- or appear that way if designed using relativity. 21 posts in moderation- how many can it hold? You are sadly mistaken. I grant more on my blog than Elizabeth does here. IOW you are either a liar or just demented. Richie, cupcake, you don’t appear to know anything beyond stroking and choking. Oh NO- NOT MODERATION!!!! Hi Lizzie- You can take your moderation and shove it up your ass. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2012,18:28    Quote (midwifetoad @ April 24 2012,23:59) I understand orbital mechanics. TARD like that has its own event horizon.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 24 2012,22:42    Quote I understand orbital mechanics. Citation? Henry

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