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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2015,01:44   

Two great minds meet.

99 StephenB February 12, 2015 at 5:58 pm:
 
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Bornagain 77, I must say that you have provided a great deal of scientific evidence to support the proposition that the mind can influence the brain and other parts of the body. You are a great resource for anyone who is interested in the facts. Keep up the good work.


101 bornagain77 February 12, 2015 at 6:23 pm:
 
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Well thanks StephenB, that’s quite a compliment coming from you.
I suppose you are talking about these findings that support the proposition that the mind can influence the brain and other parts of the body:
http://www.uncommondescent.com.....ent-547863/....-54....-547863

I would like to thank you StephenB for your philosophical work on UD. I guess I lean primarily on empirical evidence because I’m not really cut out for all the philosophical back and forth at which you excel.

Linky, scroll to 99.
I have to say that exchanges like this melt the cockles of my otherwise cold, dark Darwinist heart.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2015,05:18   

UD: a room with a view.

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Kantian Naturalist



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2015,06:47   

I commend to your attention "Diogenes", who finally says what most of us have been thinking:

 
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Look, can you guys just admit now that UD is a totalitarian hate site? From O’Leary and Mapou we get the usual demands for totalitarian thought control


 
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The facts are that a guy murdered three Muslims. Upon perusing his Facebook page, we find that he was an atheist. It is Journalistic malpractice for Denyse O’Leary to assume that his atheism motivated the crime.


 
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This jumping to conclusions without evidence is just bigotry, and Uncommon Descent is a hate site. Censorship, fascist violent threats, and totalitarian thought control are your only options because you were defeated scientifically.


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I predict that no one at UD will respond to these damning accusations, but I would not be surprised if "Diogenes" is banned.  Perhaps someone here can keep a record just in case these accusations mysteriously disappear if Arrington decides they hit too close to home.

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2015,07:21   

Tribalism seems to be the rule on the internet. I see similar stereotyping applied to conservatives.

My view of the world includes an antiabortion nut who set off a bomb, an environmentalist who sent letter bombs, even my college poetry teacher who set off a bomb. I see no causative relationship between ideology and bad behavior, except that nutty people garb themselves in justifications and rationalizations.

Edited by midwifetoad on Feb. 13 2015,07:22

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2015,07:23   

Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ Feb. 13 2015,04:47)
I commend to your attention "Diogenes", who finally says what most of us have been thinking:

 
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Look, can you guys just admit now that UD is a totalitarian hate site? From O’Leary and Mapou we get the usual demands for totalitarian thought control


 
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The facts are that a guy murdered three Muslims. Upon perusing his Facebook page, we find that he was an atheist. It is Journalistic malpractice for Denyse O’Leary to assume that his atheism motivated the crime.


 
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This jumping to conclusions without evidence is just bigotry, and Uncommon Descent is a hate site. Censorship, fascist violent threats, and totalitarian thought control are your only options because you were defeated scientifically.


comment

and

comment

I predict that no one at UD will respond to these damning accusations, but I would not be surprised if "Diogenes" is banned.  Perhaps someone here can keep a record just in case these accusations mysteriously disappear if Arrington decides they hit too close to home.

Just in case some comments disappear, I captured that whole page and I archived it at the wayback machine site.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2015,09:10   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 13 2015,07:21)
Tribalism seems to be the rule on the internet. I see similar stereotyping applied to conservatives.

My view of the world includes an antiabortion nut who set off a bomb, an environmentalist who sent letter bombs, even my college poetry teacher who set off a bomb. I see no causative relationship between ideology and bad behavior, except that nutty people garb themselves in justifications and rationalizations.

I'm going to modify that a bit. In the hands of government, nutty ideologies and nutty religions provide blanket justification for bad behavior. But that's pretty much the definition of tribalism.

It's not the content of the ideology or the theology so much as greed and fear. I'm pretty much an optimist about the general direction of things, given a few hundred more years.

War and terrorism are constantly in the news, but the actual number of people meeting violent death  has declined every decade I've been alive.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 13 2015,21:22   

Someone once said we're still here because the good events have outnumbered the bad for several billion years.
It may have been Patton Oswalt.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2015,12:14   

Rather than reading the freely available original  article on RNA editing in squids Denyse as usual just copied snippets from a bad summary. But of course she didn't stop at getting it all wrong but makes completely unjustified predictions:  
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Well, if an extremely complex nervous system, plus the need to adapt, explains this, we should expect to see primates doing it too. Stay tuned.

But there is always an IDiot that is even more stupid:  
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Mapou
The article specifically said the experiment looked at messenger RNA (mRNA). The edited mRNA takes information from DNA to the ribosome. This is how we know which gene sequences are expressed. There can be no RNA editing unless the source DNA has been modified, i.e., mutated. And we’re not talking about random mutations either.

And one more thing, if it were just RNA and not DNA editing, the changes could not be inherited by offsprings, could they? But we know the changes are inheritable. Remember Darwin’s finches and their little beaks?

Don’t you just love epigenetics? It makes Darwinian evolution (RM+NS) not just unnecessary, but downright stupid. Why is Darwinism still being taught in our schools? It’s scandalous.

ahahaha…AHAHAHA…ahahaha…

But it even got better after Piotr corrected him:  
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31 Mapou February 15, 2015 at 3:40 pm
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Congratulations if you’ve had a look at the article. But if you have, it can’t have escaped your noctice that it says nothing about the origin of the RNA “recoding” mechanism. Of course it is ultimately determined by the squid’s DNA sequence and inherited from generation to generation; temperature changes are needed to trigger its operation. But the editing itself does not affect DNA in any manner.
You don’t know that. The fact that the article does not mention the origin of the editing is telling. It tells us that the authors are hiding something that is inconvenient to their religious materialist paradigm. mRNA is known to transcribe specific sequences from DNA. DNA cannot edit mRNA sequences. It’s just a gene. About all it can do is copy itself. Something else must be changing the genes resulting in different mRNA transcriptions. The whole concept of “RNA editing” is highly suspect and almost certainly a lie. It’s a sure bet that, below the surface, it’s just DNA editing. Darwinists are such cowards. What a bunch of pussies.


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2015,12:36   

That squid thread just keeps on giving.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2015,12:54   

Bob O' - intrigues by your comment:

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I believe the first shot in the war on falsifiability was fired in 1934, and nobody who has seriously studied the history or philosophy of science believes it any more. It has, in fact, been falsified.


any good resources?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2015,14:04   

Quote (sparc @ Feb. 16 2015,12:14)
Rather than reading the freely available original  article on RNA editing in squids Denyse as usual just copied snippets from a bad summary.

Presumably because a bad summar disproves global warming.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2015,16:43   

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There is, I think, a genuinely hard question here for humanists and naturalists about how to respond to Nietzsche's provocation.  I think Arrington is deeply mistaken to think that we're being inconsistent by not being nihilists, but I also think that Nietzsche's challenge can't be brushed aside lightly.

This isn't really a "response" to Nietzsche, but I wonder if a normal, healthy person could be capable of embracing nihilism fully.

I can't find exactly the words that I need here, but I believe the reason that I'm not a nihilist has more to do with the way my brain is constructed and functions than with rational arguments.  We are all hard-wired to find meaning and enjoyment in life, except perhaps when in a depressed or pathological state.  For all I know, the meaning I find in life could be completely illusory, but it's self-evident to me that I experience it.

I'm a hard-core phenomenologist of the Husserlian Realist persuasion, so tend to think the distinction you draw is, at least after careful analysis, closer to a distinction without a difference than it at first appears.  But I freely admit, on equally solid phenomenological grounds, that YMMV.  ;-)

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2015,18:14   

UD crap

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 16 2015,21:48   

Whoever is posting as MiddleStMan at UD, my hat is off to you. If you changed the name to KairosFocus, it would be indistinguishable from his ramblings.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2015,02:37   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 16 2015,12:54)
Bob O' - intrigues by your comment:

 
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I believe the first shot in the war on falsifiability was fired in 1934, and nobody who has seriously studied the history or philosophy of science believes it any more. It has, in fact, been falsified.


any good resources?

What is this thing called Science is excellent - I have 2 editions of it. Lakatos' big paper in Criticism and the Growth of Knowledge is a good introduction, there he makes the point that Popper knew the problems with what we think of as falsification ("naive falsification"), and never proposed that.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2015,03:06   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 17 2015,02:37)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 16 2015,12:54)
Bob O' - intrigues by your comment:

   
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I believe the first shot in the war on falsifiability was fired in 1934, and nobody who has seriously studied the history or philosophy of science believes it any more. It has, in fact, been falsified.


any good resources?

What is this thing called Science is excellent - I have 2 editions of it. Lakatos' big paper in Criticism and the Growth of Knowledge is a good introduction, there he makes the point that Popper knew the problems with what we think of as falsification ("naive falsification"), and never proposed that.

Many thanks. I shall read.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2015,08:38   

Is it just me, or has UD returned to pre amnesty mode?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2015,10:28   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 17 2015,08:38)
Is it just me, or has UD returned to pre amnesty mode?

Mr Arrington has run out of the vital ingredient for the potion that allows him to transform back into the mild-mannered Dr Jeckyll.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 17 2015,12:20   

http://przxqgl.hybridelephant.com/2010....iration

Edited by midwifetoad on Feb. 17 2015,12:22

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2015,01:35   

Does anybody know if there's anything to this?
   
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OrloogFebruary 17, 2015 at 11:30 am

"BTW, the new Baylor Scott & White/Hillcrest hospital in Waco blocks UD on their internal and guest WiFi. Talk about some serious sour grapes!"

Don’t think so: UD’s site has malware embedded (that’s the reason that it isn’t listed by google from time to time). Unfortunately, the management of this site hasn’t done anything about this. But they have really no one but themselves to blame if this site is blocked by some providers!

Here an excerpt from UD’s source code (lines 192-194):
[/div][div style="position:absolute; top:-849px;" id="uncommondes"][a href="http://brocprozac.com/"]benefits of prozac and how to buy prozac[/a] you can use a credit card [a href="http://prozaccon.com/"]prozac?s advantages and how to order buy prozac online[/a] and read here [a href="http://lexaproanswers.com/"]buy lexapro[/a] online without a prescription is no longer a problem [a href="http://buyinglasixonline.com/"]buy lasix[/a] [a href="http://mycitalopramis.com/"]buy citalopram[/a] Lexapro answer your qestions[/div] [div id="access"]
[div class="menu-header"][ul id="menu-topbar" class="menu"][li id="menu-item-25175" class="menu-item menu-item-type-custom menu-item-object-custom menu-item-home menu-item-25175"][a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com"]Home[/a][/li]
[li id="menu-item-25350" class="menu-item menu-item-type-taxonomy menu-item-object-category menu-item-25350"][a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/category/news/"]News Desk[/a][/li]

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2015,01:39   

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BTW, the new Baylor Scott & White/Hillcrest hospital in Waco blocks UD on their internal and guest WiFi.

Did they try the cafeteria?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2015,04:54   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 19 2015,01:35)
Does anybody know if there's anything to this?
       
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OrloogFebruary 17, 2015 at 11:30 am

"BTW, the new Baylor Scott & White/Hillcrest hospital in Waco blocks UD on their internal and guest WiFi. Talk about some serious sour grapes!"

Don’t think so: UD’s site has malware embedded (that’s the reason that it isn’t listed by google from time to time). Unfortunately, the management of this site hasn’t done anything about this. But they have really no one but themselves to blame if this site is blocked by some providers!

Here an excerpt from UD’s source code (lines 192-194):
[/div][div style="position:absolute; top:-849px;" id="uncommondes"][a href="http://brocprozac.com/"]benefits of prozac and how to buy prozac[/a] you can use a credit card [a href="http://prozaccon.com/"]prozac?s advantages and how to order buy prozac online[/a] and read here [a href="http://lexaproanswers.com/"]buy lexapro[/a] online without a prescription is no longer a problem [a href="http://buyinglasixonline.com/"]buy lasix[/a] [a href="http://mycitalopramis.com/"]buy citalopram[/a] Lexapro answer your qestions[/div] [div id="access"]
[div class="menu-header"][ul id="menu-topbar" class="menu"][li id="menu-item-25175" class="menu-item menu-item-type-custom menu-item-object-custom menu-item-home menu-item-25175"][a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com"]Home[/a][/li]
[li id="menu-item-25350" class="menu-item menu-item-type-taxonomy menu-item-object-category menu-item-25350"][a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/category/news/"]News Desk[/a][/li]

Link

Yep, check the source code on the homepage (the lines numbers might be a bit different to those quoted). I'm sure this has been discussed here before.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2015,11:53   

I think it has, but I don't remember anybody saying what those lines of code do.  I don't think I've ever seen any ads like that appear on the screen.  Do you have to be blessed to see them?  If I get right with Jesus will I be showered with Prozac ads?  If I get on the same team as Joe, Barry, BatShit and CrankoFocus, I might need Prozac. If not heroin.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2015,12:12   

They probably havnt upgraded their wordpress and plugins in a while, when the site goes down they will likely blame the evilutionists and not their own incompetence

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2015,13:06   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 19 2015,11:53)
I think it has, but I don't remember anybody saying what those lines of code do.  I don't think I've ever seen any ads like that appear on the screen.  Do you have to be blessed to see them?  If I get right with Jesus will I be showered with Prozac ads?  If I get on the same team as Joe, Barry, BatShit and CrankoFocus, I might need Prozac. If not heroin.

I guess the point is that Google has a rule against hidden or non-display code. It has been used to generate search links and such. Anything that can be read by search robots but not seen by human readers can get you banned from Google search results.

It sounds like some internet provides also look at hidden stuff as potential malware.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2015,13:32   

Quote (Starbuck @ Feb. 19 2015,12:12)
They probably havnt upgraded their wordpress and plugins in a while, when the site goes down they will likely blame the evilutionists and not their own incompetence

That has happened before.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 19 2015,16:37   

All that is new is old at UD---the Google delisting because of drug-links hidden in source code problem goes back to the DaveScot era.

A few years ago, Sal declared UD under cyber-attack.

And in all these years, the computer geniuses over there can't figure out how to correct and protect it.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2015,15:39   

It's all been done.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 20 2015,18:20   

Never judge a book by its cover:



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 21 2015,01:46   

I always wanted to do this: LEWONTIN !!!

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