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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,08:37   

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Um...it's not even ID. Who's the demigod of ID these days? Whoever it is hasn't waved the holy cash register over Gary's garbage and given it the imprimatur of tard. Neither have the hoi polloi at UD, in fact they completely ignored him. Barry has dragged himself away from collecting unpaid hire purchase payments and  séances, Joe didn't offer a reach around nor was there a sly invite to the Baylor broom closet let alone the VIP section of the cafeteria. Gary should call his "theory" Unintelligent Plagiarisms.

Heh.  Too true, much to Gary's discomfiture.

There is as much 'intelligent design' in Gary's work as there is 'intelligence' in its author.  I can think of no more damning an assessment.
It for sure is no part of any element whatsoever of the 'ID Movement'.  No one but Gary thinks otherwise, and in Gary's case 'thinks' is quite a stretch.

Should we run a book on his next unauthorized co-option?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,10:11   

Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 23 2015,08:37)
Quote (NoName @ Feb. 23 2015,16:20)
 
Quote (k.e.. @ Feb. 23 2015,09:01)
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Um...it's not even ID. Who's the demigod of ID these days? Whoever it is hasn't waved the holy cash register over Gary's garbage and given it the imprimatur of tard. Neither have the hoi polloi at UD, in fact they completely ignored him. Barry has dragged himself away from collecting unpaid hire purchase payments and  séances, Joe didn't offer a reach around nor was there a sly invite to the Baylor broom closet let alone the VIP section of the cafeteria. Gary should call his "theory" Unintelligent Plagiarisms.

Heh.  Too true, much to Gary's discomfiture.

There is as much 'intelligent design' in Gary's work as there is 'intelligence' in its author.  I can think of no more damning an assessment.
It for sure is no part of any element whatsoever of the 'ID Movement'.  No one but Gary thinks otherwise, and in Gary's case 'thinks' is quite a stretch.

Should we run a book on his next unauthorized co-option?

Ah, yes. Strong evidence of exaptation?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,12:56   

Or horizontal transfer?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,13:02   

It croaked,
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N.Wells the only thing you are accomplishing is to help make even bigger fools out of the "science defenders" in this forum and others like it including the NCSE blog. But that's what you wanted to do with your time and mine, and now have the reputation that you deserve.


Yo, Goo Goo, I don't laugh at N. Wells, or anybody else in here.  Just you, you hoot!  But, boyoboy, are you ever funny!  Dumb and dumber ain't got nothing on you!  :)  :)  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,16:48   

Only nutcases would expect the religious activists at UD to appreciate something that's "only science".

And likewise only nutcases would expect the religious activists in this forum to appreciate something that's "only science".

Science like this is hard work that requires years of study and experimenting. Throwing political slogans and insults requires no hard work at all, which is the way politicians like it. Therefore in a controversy like this the money and glory is in having no science at all.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,16:58   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 23 2015,17:48)
Only nutcases would expect the religious activists at UD to appreciate something that's "only science".

And likewise only nutcases would expect the religious activists in this forum to appreciate something that's "only science".

Science like this is hard work that requires years of study and experimenting. Throwing political slogans and insults requires no hard work at all, which is the way politicians like it. Therefore in a controversy like this the money and glory is in having no science at all.

You're not doing science.  You never were.
You are more clueless about what 'doing science' entails than anyone I have ever encountered.  And I'm pretty sure that opinion is shared not just here, but at every site you've infested.

What makes you think your work is science?  What evidence could you offer up to support the assertion that your work is science?
You've never addressed this, just like all your other avoidances.

Hint:  your feelings, your personal delusions, nor the chorus of voices in your head are not evidence, least of all that you are 'doing science'.
Do I need to offer up, yet again, the evidence within your "theory" that proves it's not science?  You know I can.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,16:59   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 23 2015,16:48)
Science like this is hard work that requires years of study and experimenting.

So when do you plan to do either of those?

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,17:03   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 24 2015,00:48)
Only nutcases would expect the religious activists at UD to appreciate something that's "only science".

And likewise only nutcases would expect the religious activists in this forum to appreciate something that's "only science".

Science like this is hard work that requires years of study and experimenting. Throwing political slogans and insults requires no hard work at all, which is the way politicians like it. Therefore in a controversy like this the money and glory is in having no science at all.

Get over yourself twit. You haven't done any science yet. See a doctor your completely deluded.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,17:07   

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Gary should call his "theory" Unintelligent Plagiarisms.

There is no crime in accepting the Discovery Institute's open invitation to help write a theory that actually began with Alfred Russel Wallace:

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This educational website was created by Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture to mark the centennial of Alfred Russel Wallace’s path-breaking book The World of Life: a Manifestation of Creative Power, Directive Mind and Ultimate Purpose, which was released by the London publishing house of Chapman and Hall on December 2, 1910. The World of Life presents Alfred Russel Wallace’s fullest examination of intelligent design in the natural world. It was his grand synthesis of a lifetime of investigation of and reflection upon the biological world.

Wallace’s belief in intelligent design was launched in an essay published in the Quarterly Review in 1869 where he called for an “Overruling Intelligence” to account for the mind of man, an idea Wallace continued to develop in Darwinism (1889) and Man’s Place in the Universe (1903). The World of Life supplied a fitting culmination to his life’s work.

More:
http://www.alfredwallace.org/about.p....out.php


Like it or not all are getting what they deserve, for messing with science that's way over their heads...

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,17:18   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 23 2015,17:07)
Like it or not all are getting what they deserve, for messing with science that's way over their heads...

We really need to quote this at Gary every time he complains about his finances or his treatment.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,18:42   

Lady Gaga Performs a Tribute to "The Sound of Music" at the 2015 Oscars
http://oscar.go.com/embed....67787nx
http://oscar.go.com/blogs....f-music

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,18:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 23 2015,16:48)
Only nutcases would expect the religious activists at UD to appreciate something that's "only science".

And likewise only nutcases would expect the religious activists in this forum to appreciate something that's "only science".

Science like this is hard work that requires years of study and experimenting. Throwing political slogans and insults requires no hard work at all, which is the way politicians like it. Therefore in a controversy like this the money and glory is in having no science at all.

As cogently reasoned as a kindergartener's tantrum.

Gary doesn't have answers, just insults, which, due to his overarching projection, tend to be much more apropos of himself.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,18:58   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 23 2015,19:42)
Lady Gaga Performs a Tribute to "The Sound of Music" at the 2015 Oscars
http://oscar.go.com/embed......67787nx
http://oscar.go.com/blogs......f-music

What a shame no one will ever sing tribute to you, Gary.
All you can do is steal reflected glory by posting meaningless off-topic music video links.

Sort of like your approach to stealing science references in hope some of the science will rub off on your effluent.  Pity it doesn't work that way.  Of course, you'd know this if you knew anything at all about the process of science.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,22:20   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 23 2015,18:42)
Gary doesn't have answers, just insults, which, due to his overarching projection, tend to be much more apropos of himself.

Perfect timing Wesley!

Over the weekend the Kurzweil AI forum had several excellent topics keeping me busy, while I was catching up on the latest intelligence related news and papers. Since I didn't want the constructive discussions to again be hijacked by you or others from this forum I had to wait until the weekend was well over and the important discussions ended before mentioning the weekend highlights.

Four replies in this thread answer the relevant question "Where is the program equivalent of the single cell organism?":
http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....-691718

For the relevant question "What are the things that most motivate people to do whatever they do?":
http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....-691882
http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....-691895
http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....-691903

For the relevant question of what "Evo Deo" really is:
http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....-691999

Verse and Music:
http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....-oscars

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,23:00   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Feb. 23 2015,17:18)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 23 2015,17:07)
Like it or not all are getting what they deserve, for messing with science that's way over their heads...

We really need to quote this at Gary every time he complains about his finances or his treatment.

Here's a WMAS song for you that I often hear during work:

Paramore - Ain't It Fun │LIVE On GMA 2014│
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....4dk6x8s

So what are you gonna do when the world don't orbit around you?

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And P.S. Typo above. It should of course read "Eve Devo"

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,23:02   

Not again!

"EVO DEVO"

I need sleep. Yawn.....

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 23 2015,23:09   

Gary epitomizes the tragedy of cargo-cult science.  Like a cargo cultist wearing coconut-shell headphones and mumbling nonsensical landing directions into a shell of a radio, Gary keeps making what he thinks are all the right sounds: "theory", "prediction"; "model", "fractal", "self-similarity", "emergence", etc. ad nauseum, but he's speaking noises whose meanings he does not know, so he's completely unaware of all the ludicrous contradictions and inconsistencies he comes up with.  Like the cargo-cultist's sham airport control, Gary thinks he has the form of science down pat, without realizing that he has none of the details that allows science to work.  Without evidence his "conclusions" are merely assertions; without operational definitions he has meaningless invocations; without ground-truthing, his model is divorced from reality.  So he just can't comprehend why acclaim won't land on his island.  Why won't the world accept the sincerity of his beliefs?  Maybe if he throws in just one more buzzword or embellishes just a little more....


"Throwing political slogans": Um, Gary, YOU are the buffoon who claims as his premise a hollow political slogan coined by the Discovery Institute.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,01:07   

Quote (N.Wells @ Feb. 23 2015,23:09)
Gary epitomizes the tragedy of cargo-cult science.

How's the "culture war" going for you? As well as it's going for UD and the Discovery Institute? LOL!!!

Personally I much rather be stuck in the middle of your crossfire, using the tools that science offers to defuse the source of conflict, than be forced to choose one extremist side or another.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,03:40   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 24 2015,09:07)
Quote (N.Wells @ Feb. 23 2015,23:09)
Gary epitomizes the tragedy of cargo-cult science.

How's the "culture war" going for you? As well as it's going for UD and the Discovery Institute? LOL!!!

Personally I much rather be stuck in the middle of your crossfire, using the tools that science offers to defuse the source of conflict, than be forced to choose one extremist side or another.

Bwahahaha the culture war is over Gary. You lost. You are a memorial to tard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,06:44   

Weird. Gary seems to think that his record of not deploying insult in one venue is somehow relevant to his record of invective and illogic elsewhere. Then, one can examine his first link and find the question that he proposed his implementation of Heiserman alpha and beta logic as an answer:

RBynum:

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I am aware of genetic algorithms but where is the program equivalent of a single cell organism that can evolve to a more complex state?


I'd have to rate Gary's performance there as "spam", simply advertising his wares rather than attempting to engage in the conversation as it existed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,07:16   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 24 2015,02:07)
...I much rather be stuck in the middle of your crossfire, using the tools that science offers to defuse the source of conflict, than be forced to choose one extremist side or another.

Riiiiiiight.

You're not 'stuck' anywhere other than in the swamp of your own delusions.

What tools offered by science, let alone actually used by science, do you use?  None, that's what.
You don't use logic, you are incapable of forming a premise, let alone a hypothesis, and your ability to actually connect ideas, rather than string a bunch of words together is non-existent.
Your model is not a tool, for it has no basis in facts, it has no truth-grounding, it is useful as a model of the Millennium Falcon would be for investigating asteroid mining approaches.
And those seem to be all you have -- a model of a fiction birthed by a  delusion and a severe case of inept logorrhea.

But do feel free to inform us of what tools of science you think you're using.  The laughs should be awesome.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,11:30   

It mumbled,
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Personally I much rather be stuck in the middle


HE'S THROWING UP ALL OVER DA PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!

Gadzooks what a hoot!  I just can't stop laughing . . . .

:)  :)  :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,12:05   

Quote (N.Wells @ Feb. 23 2015,21:09)
Gary epitomizes the tragedy of cargo-cult science.  Like a cargo cultist wearing coconut-shell headphones and mumbling nonsensical landing directions into a shell of a radio, Gary keeps making what he thinks are all the right sounds: "theory", "prediction"; "model", "fractal", "self-similarity", "emergence", etc. ad nauseum, but he's speaking noises whose meanings he does not know, so he's completely unaware of all the ludicrous contradictions and inconsistencies he comes up with.  Like the cargo-cultist's sham airport control, Gary thinks he has the form of science down pat, without realizing that he has none of the details that allows science to work.  Without evidence his "conclusions" are merely assertions; without operational definitions he has meaningless invocations; without ground-truthing, his model is divorced from reality.  So he just can't comprehend why acclaim won't land on his island.  Why won't the world accept the sincerity of his beliefs?  Maybe if he throws in just one more buzzword or embellishes just a little more....


"Throwing political slogans": Um, Gary, YOU are the buffoon who claims as his premise a hollow political slogan coined by the Discovery Institute.

One more rewrite of his opening sentence and he's cracked it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,15:16   

Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 24 2015,12:05)
One more rewrite of his opening sentence and he's cracked it.

Yes, get those first words EXACTLY right and the planes will start landing again!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,18:48   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 24 2015,06:44)
Weird. Gary seems to think that his record of not deploying insult in one venue is somehow relevant to his record of invective and illogic elsewhere. Then, one can examine his first link and find the question that he proposed his implementation of Heiserman alpha and beta logic as an answer:

RBynum:

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I am aware of genetic algorithms but where is the program equivalent of a single cell organism that can evolve to a more complex state?


I'd have to rate Gary's performance there as "spam", simply advertising his wares rather than attempting to engage in the conversation as it existed.

When Wesley explains scientific information they call it "science".

When I explain scientific information they call it "spam".

And my telling the absolute truth by saying that this makes them a hypocrite will get me labeled as a liar. Go figure..

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,18:56   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 24 2015,19:48)
 
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Feb. 24 2015,06:44)
Weird. Gary seems to think that his record of not deploying insult in one venue is somehow relevant to his record of invective and illogic elsewhere. Then, one can examine his first link and find the question that he proposed his implementation of Heiserman alpha and beta logic as an answer:

RBynum:

   
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I am aware of genetic algorithms but where is the program equivalent of a single cell organism that can evolve to a more complex state?


I'd have to rate Gary's performance there as "spam", simply advertising his wares rather than attempting to engage in the conversation as it existed.

When Wesley explains scientific information they call it "science".

When I explain scientific information they call it "spam".

And my telling the absolute truth by saying that this makes them a hypocrite will get me labeled as a liar. Go figure..

Liar may be a tiny stretch -- accurate, but beside the point.
You are massively delusional.
You were asked a fair question.  You've been asked *many* fair questions.  You have not even attempted to answer them, preferring to take a stance of faux 'wounded greatness.'
You have never explained anything in or about science.  You couldn't explain covalent bonding without getting it wrong.
So the bit about having explained something scientifically, well that's a lie.
But your entire program (in the sense of agenda, not in the sense of software) is so disconnected from reality, is based on so many fundamental errors and confusions, as to render any evaluation of your honesty entirely pointless.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,19:18   

I also need to highlight vital information that Wesley removed from what RBynum said in the AI forum:

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I am aware of genetic algorithms but where is the program equivalent of a single cell organism that can evolve to a more complex state? It should be possible to start with a simple form and evolve to the intelligent form. While life took billions of years computers should evolve in a few years. Course I could just be impatient, computers have only been around a few decades. What seems like a long time is incredibly fast in evolutionary terms


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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 24 2015,19:39   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 24 2015,20:18)
I also need to highlight vital information that Wesley removed from what RBynum said in the AI forum:

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I am aware of genetic algorithms but where is the program equivalent of a single cell organism that can evolve to a more complex state? It should be possible to start with a simple form and evolve to the intelligent form. While life took billions of years computers should evolve in a few years. Course I could just be impatient, computers have only been around a few decades. What seems like a long time is incredibly fast in evolutionary terms

All that does is emphasize your failure.
Good lord, you're pathetic.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2015,05:36   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Feb. 25 2015,03:18)
I also need to highlight vital information that Wesley removed from what RBynum said in the AI forum:

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I am aware of genetic algorithms but where is the program equivalent of a single cell organism that can evolve to a more complex state? It should be possible to start with a simple form and evolve to the intelligent form. While life took billions of years computers should evolve in a few years. Course I could just be impatient, computers have only been around a few decades. What seems like a long time is incredibly fast in evolutionary terms

You need to get off crack or whatever.

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(Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2015,06:04   

The highlighting that Gary should have done and didn't:

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I am aware of genetic algorithms but where is the program equivalent of a single cell organism that can evolve to a more complex state? It should be possible to start with a simple form and evolve to the intelligent form. While life took billions of years computers should evolve in a few years. Course I could just be impatient, computers have only been around a few decades. What seems like a long time is incredibly fast in evolutionary terms.


It's because Gary's program has bugger-all to do with evolving anything that it is spam in that context.

Whereas my mention of my paper fits the requested bill on both evolution and intelligence factors:

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Abstract

Even the simplest of organisms may exhibit low-level intelligent behaviors in their directed movements, such as in foraging. We used the Avida digital evolution research platform to explore the evolution of movement strategies in a model environment with a single local resource that diffuses to produce a gradient, which organisms have the ability to follow. Three common strategies that evolved, Cockroach, Drunkard, and Climber, exhibit how both environmental constraints and historical contingency play a role in the emergence of intelligent behaviors. The evolved programs are also suitable for use in controllers on robots.


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