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Badger3k



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2012,14:07   

Quote (Dr. Jammer @ June 16 2012,12:43)
Quote (JLT @ June 14 2012,22:52)
That's only half of what AtBC gets, according to sitemeter:



Althought that might still be the same 100 people...  ;)


That is incorrect, good sir.

The statistics you posted were for total visits and total page views.

The statistics I posted were limited to unique visitors. That is, the total number of unique I.P. addresses that visit U.D. on a monthly basis.

My I.P. is static (it doesn't change), thus, I could visit U.D. 10 times a day for the next week, and it would only count as one unique visitor, whereas, it would count as 70 visits.

According to the Site Analytics website, ATBC receives between 1K and 2.5K unique visitors in a normal month -- far fewer than Uncommon Descent.  :)





It it makes you feel any better, Talk Origins receives far more viewers than does U.D., although creationism websites (Answers In Genesis and CARM) dominate everyone else in the whole I.D. vs. Creation vs. Magic (Darwinism) debate.

Also, Evolution News & Views receives more monthly unique visitors than U.D., which is wonderful considering the high-quality articles posted there.

In other words, there are more idiots online than rational people.  This is news how?

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2012,14:16   

Yes, different methods generate different numbers.

Compete's method:

 
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Compete’s clickstream data are collected from a 2,000,000 member panel of US Internet users (about a 1% sample), using diverse sources. Using a rigorous statistical normalization methodology, Compete creates precise projections of the behavior of the entire US Internet browser population on monthly and weekly basis. In addition, Compete provides daily estimates of share of consumer attention garnered by the top Internet sites and the velocity of change of this attention. Compete is the only commercial web analytics provider to make its data freely available online for all Internet users.


That's a sample.

Sitemeter, on the other hand, gets a hit every time the Sitemeter badge is accessed, i.e., for every single page view.

That's a population.

Population measures, where available, are better metrics than samples. Sampling is done because population metrics are often unavailable, uneconomical, or impractical.

All that we know for certain is that more of the two million people in Compete's sample visited UD than AE.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2012,15:51   

Quote (OgreMkV @ June 16 2012,13:06)
I dare you to pick an article and defend it in its entirety.

Seconded.

Don't you want to address the evidence Dr J? Talk about something other then nothing at all?

I hear Harry Potter got some great viewing figures. That must make it true!

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Patrick



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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2012,17:25   

snelldl "proves" proteins can't form spontaneously, says absolutely nothing about evolutionary theory, and still manages to hook R0bb.

Can we get an extraction team to him in time?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 16 2012,23:21   

Quote (CeilingCat @ June 14 2012,22:29)
And I'm going to have to agree with you.  Although it's possible for such a relationship to be non-exploitive, it's far more likely to be so.

Except maybe at Faber College.  "Knowledge is Good."

I really enjoyed teaching in community colleges. I did have young (and not young) women come for an office visit and explain they "Just have to have a good grade for my graduate school application. I would do anything for an "A."

I would pull out my grade book. Mostly, the dear young virginal darling was turning in about 1/3 of their homework assignments, and had just tanked the first of three exams. I always set final grades as 50% home work, 15% for two sectional exams, and 20% for the comprehensive final exam. Homework was dropped 1/2, or 2.5% of total, if turned in late. "Late" was not turned in during the week it was due, since I graded homework on Sunday. (I taught all day every Saturday).

I next suggested the sweet, innocent sacred virgin turn in the missing homework for +8%, study for the next test, and if absolutely desperate, she could take advantage of the +10% extra credit "research" paper option.

That usually earned a disdainful stare, and one "darling" asked if I was a queer.

I had colleagues who could have added to their syllabus,

A's are for Ass, B's are for Blowjobs, I don't give C's for sex.

They were scum, and often Department Heads.

Edited by Dr.GH on June 16 2012,21:26

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,02:18   

Quote (Dr.GH @ June 16 2012,21:21)
"Just have to have a good grade for my graduate school application. I would do anything for an "A." "

Except, of course, the required course work.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,04:15   

DeNews:  
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Smart people are MORE vulnerable to thinking errors, not less
[...]
Maybe. Another possibility is that in a culture that highly values abstract intelligence, people with high IQs may be less cautious about the possibility that they are making mistakes. They stray outside their areas of expertise and – as the saying goes – know just enough to get it all wrong.

People less gifted with high intelligence tend to just avoid areas they don’t understand, so there are mistakes they just won’t make.
Obviously Gildo isn't reading UD News:  
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But I’m not sufficiently stupid, uneducated, or irrational to accept such transparent idiocy.


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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,05:52   

Quote (Dr.GH @ June 16 2012,23:21)
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 14 2012,22:29)
And I'm going to have to agree with you.  Although it's possible for such a relationship to be non-exploitive, it's far more likely to be so.

Except maybe at Faber College.  "Knowledge is Good."

I really enjoyed teaching in community colleges. I did have young (and not young) women come for an office visit and explain they "Just have to have a good grade for my graduate school application. I would do anything for an "A."

I would pull out my grade book. Mostly, the dear young virginal darling was turning in about 1/3 of their homework assignments, and had just tanked the first of three exams. I always set final grades as 50% home work, 15% for two sectional exams, and 20% for the comprehensive final exam. Homework was dropped 1/2, or 2.5% of total, if turned in late. "Late" was not turned in during the week it was due, since I graded homework on Sunday. (I taught all day every Saturday).

I next suggested the sweet, innocent sacred virgin turn in the missing homework for +8%, study for the next test, and if absolutely desperate, she could take advantage of the +10% extra credit "research" paper option.

That usually earned a disdainful stare, and one "darling" asked if I was a queer.

I had colleagues who could have added to their syllabus,

A's are for Ass, B's are for Blowjobs, I don't give C's for sex.

They were scum, and often Department Heads.

I think I know what Sal C. will quote you as saying next.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,07:03   

Dembski ponies up the "ID lesson plan". No, seriously.

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For instance, a standard basal biology textbook will have many facts about biology, but it will also frame those facts within a Darwinian picture of the world. Some of the more recent textbooks will even slam ID. Such a textbook could be rewritten, giving the standard evolutionary accounts, but also critiquing them and indicating the lines of evidence that argue for a design conclusion.


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(1) Evolvability and Unevolvability (biology)

(2) Conservation of Information Theorems (mathematics)

(3) Bayesian and Fisherian Design Inferences (statistics)

(4) The Failure of Naturalistic Origin of Life Scenarios (chemistry)

(5) Toward a Nonreductive Neuroscience (psychology/neuroscience)

(6) Recovering Free Will (philosophy of mind)

(7) Ethics, Biology, and Responsibility (ethics)

(8) The Comprehensible Universe (cosmology)

(9) The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics (philosophy of mathematics)

(10) The Reductionist Roots of Modern Science (history and philosophy of science)


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....sist-of

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,07:04   

For
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(4) The Failure of Naturalistic Origin of Life Scenarios (chemistry)


The way Gordo talks you'd think it could be:

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The Failure of Naturalistic Origin of Life Scenarios and how ID resolves the problem and tells us all how it came to pass


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,08:51   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 17 2012,07:03)
Dembski ponies up the "ID lesson plan". No, seriously.

 
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For instance, a standard basal biology textbook will have many facts about biology, but it will also frame those facts within a Darwinian picture of the world. Some of the more recent textbooks will even slam ID. Such a textbook could be rewritten, giving the standard evolutionary accounts, but also critiquing them and indicating the lines of evidence that argue for a design conclusion.


 
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(1) Evolvability and Unevolvability (biology)

(2) Conservation of Information Theorems (mathematics)

(3) Bayesian and Fisherian Design Inferences (statistics)

(4) The Failure of Naturalistic Origin of Life Scenarios (chemistry)

(5) Toward a Nonreductive Neuroscience (psychology/neuroscience)

(6) Recovering Free Will (philosophy of mind)

(7) Ethics, Biology, and Responsibility (ethics)

(8) The Comprehensible Universe (cosmology)

(9) The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics (philosophy of mathematics)

(10) The Reductionist Roots of Modern Science (history and philosophy of science)


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....sist-of

Just out of curiosity, would there be any... biology... in this "biology book"?

Perhaps even a chapter on... well... science?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,09:33   

Quote (Dr.GH @ June 17 2012,07:21)
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 14 2012,22:29)
And I'm going to have to agree with you.  Although it's possible for such a relationship to be non-exploitive, it's far more likely to be so.

Except maybe at Faber College.  "Knowledge is Good."

I really enjoyed teaching in community colleges. I did have young (and not young) women come for an office visit and explain they "Just have to have a good grade for my graduate school application. I would do anything for an "A."

I would pull out my grade book. Mostly, the dear young virginal darling was turning in about 1/3 of their homework assignments, and had just tanked the first of three exams. I always set final grades as 50% home work, 15% for two sectional exams, and 20% for the comprehensive final exam. Homework was dropped 1/2, or 2.5% of total, if turned in late. "Late" was not turned in during the week it was due, since I graded homework on Sunday. (I taught all day every Saturday).

I next suggested the sweet, innocent sacred virgin turn in the missing homework for +8%, study for the next test, and if absolutely desperate, she could take advantage of the +10% extra credit "research" paper option.

That usually earned a disdainful stare, and one "darling" asked if I was a queer.

I had colleagues who could have added to their syllabus,

A's are for Ass, B's are for Blowjobs, I don't give C's for sex.

They were scum, and often Department Heads.

Typical, so that's how they ahead.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,10:08   

Dr Th.D Dembski and his ID pipe dreams....... step up and buy his book.

....here are the missing subheadings

 
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(1) Evolvability and Unevolvability (biology)


Believe it or unbelieve it, after 40 years of ID research this seminal world first gives a convincing account of unevolution at work using the scientific method.

A rock was meticulously studied and found to be unevolved.

 
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(2) Conservation of Information Theorems (mathematics)


Previously mathmaticians considered Information Theorems contained no information, this new conservative view changes that.

 
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(3) Bayesian and Fisherian Design Inferences (statistics))


A useful new tool for designing inferences with better than 50 per cent chance.

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(4) The Failure of Naturalistic Origin of Life Scenarios (chemistry)


A demonstration will be arranged which will show this not to be possible. (Please bring your Bibles)


 
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(5) Toward a Nonreductive Neuroscience (psychology/neuroscience)


Throw away your Viagra and MRI machines folks.




 
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(6) Recovering Free Will (philosophy of mind)


Mr. Will is expected to make a full recovery, hospital visits count as credits

 
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(7) Ethics, Biology, and Responsibility (ethics)


No animals will be experimented on Sundays.


 
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(8) The Comprehensible Universe (cosmology)


A class quiet time where meditation on the LHC is voluntary.



 
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(9) The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics (philosophy of mathematics)


An applied maths course examining 'Pollock octahedral numbers conjecture' using modified rubriks cubes.



 
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(10) The Reductionist Roots of Modern Science (history and philosophy of science)


Postmodernism for beginers.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,14:15   

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(10) The Reductionist Roots of Modern Science (history and philosophy of science)

You forgot
(11) The Pagan roots of Christendom.

Reductionism? Your physics need some refreshing!

The Dr. Dr. reminds me of Ray Martinez. Ray's hobbyhorse is Darwin; he doesn't give a damn about the last 150 years of, well - science.

I don't think it is an exaggeration to say science, including biology and physics make more progress in one year's time than cdesign proponentsism has done ever since it was invented.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,16:01   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 17 2012,07:03)
Dembski ponies up the "ID lesson plan". No, seriously.

 
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For instance, a standard basal biology textbook will have many facts about biology, but it will also frame those facts within a Darwinian picture of the world. Some of the more recent textbooks will even slam ID. Such a textbook could be rewritten, giving the standard evolutionary accounts, but also critiquing them and indicating the lines of evidence that argue for a design conclusion.


 
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(1) Evolvability and Unevolvability (biology)

(2) Conservation of Information Theorems (mathematics)

(3) Bayesian and Fisherian Design Inferences (statistics)

(4) The Failure of Naturalistic Origin of Life Scenarios (chemistry)

(5) Toward a Nonreductive Neuroscience (psychology/neuroscience)

(6) Recovering Free Will (philosophy of mind)

(7) Ethics, Biology, and Responsibility (ethics)

(8) The Comprehensible Universe (cosmology)

(9) The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics (philosophy of mathematics)

(10) The Reductionist Roots of Modern Science (history and philosophy of science)


http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....sist-of

12.  Causal explanations and how pathetic they are.

Glen Davidson

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(Permalink) Posted: June 17 2012,22:53   

BTW, is there any news on Dembski's Springer book project?

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- William Dembski -

   
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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2012,03:23   

Quote (Dr.GH @ June 16 2012,23:21)
 
Quote (CeilingCat @ June 14 2012,22:29)
And I'm going to have to agree with you.  Although it's possible for such a relationship to be non-exploitive, it's far more likely to be so.

Except maybe at Faber College.  "Knowledge is Good."

I really enjoyed teaching in community colleges. I did have young (and not young) women come for an office visit and explain they "Just have to have a good grade for my graduate school application. I would do anything for an "A."

I would pull out my grade book. Mostly, the dear young virginal darling was turning in about 1/3 of their homework assignments, and had just tanked the first of three exams. I always set final grades as 50% home work, 15% for two sectional exams, and 20% for the comprehensive final exam. Homework was dropped 1/2, or 2.5% of total, if turned in late. "Late" was not turned in during the week it was due, since I graded homework on Sunday. (I taught all day every Saturday).

I next suggested the sweet, innocent sacred virgin turn in the missing homework for +8%, study for the next test, and if absolutely desperate, she could take advantage of the +10% extra credit "research" paper option.

That usually earned a disdainful stare, and one "darling" asked if I was a queer.

I had colleagues who could have added to their syllabus,

A's are for Ass, B's are for Blowjobs, I don't give C's for sex.

They were scum, and often Department Heads.

That's pretty good, but I would suggest something like this:

a: Innocent Young Thing informs you that she will do Anything to get an A.

b: Grin broadly.  Unlock a desk drawer, remove Mr. Leathers (with KF tastefully embossed on one side and GEM on the other) and lay it on your desk.

c: Hand her a pound of warm butter and tell her to "lube up" while you adjust the video cameras.  Tell her to ignore them, they only go to Sal, who never gets a date.

d: Ask her to start praying to Jesus while you apply Mr. Leathers.

e: When IYT exits rather hurridly, put Mr. Leathers back in his drawer, put the butter back in the refrigerator and email "No joy" to Sal.

Works every time.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2012,03:47   

Quote (sparc @ June 17 2012,22:53)
BTW, is there any news on Dembski's Springer book project?

Dembski:
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I have a very substantial anthology coming out with a major academic publisher, but I’m not at liberty to say where until it actually comes out, because Darwinists have the disturbing habit of trying to get publication agreements for ID-friendly literature revoked.


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2012,06:09   

Gil tells us all the trival mathmatics that disproves evolution:

 
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Here’s a Hello World program in the C programming language:


#include <stdio.h>

int main(void)
{
printf(“Hello World!\n”);
return(0);
}

This program includes 66 non-white-space text characters. The C language uses almost every character on the keyboard, but to be generous in my calculations I’ll only assume that we need the 26 lower-case alpha characters. How many 66-character combinations are there? The answer is 26 raised to the 66th power, or 26^66. That’s roughly 2.4 x 10^93 (10^93 is 1 followed by 93 zeros).

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Now one might ask, What is the chance of producing, by random mutation and natural selection, the digital computer program that is the DNA molecule, not to mention the protein synthesis machinery and information-processing mechanism, all of which is mutually interdependent for function and survival?

The only thing that baffles me is the fact that Darwinists are baffled by the fact that most people don’t buy their blind-watchmaker storytelling.

No, really.

He has no idea how stupid he looks, does he?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2012,10:04   

Anyone hear anything on the Coppedge trial?  I though the decision was due at the end of May.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2012,11:22   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 18 2012,03:47)
Quote (sparc @ June 17 2012,22:53)
BTW, is there any news on Dembski's Springer book project?

Dembski:
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I have a very substantial anthology coming out with a major academic publisher, but I’m not at liberty to say where until it actually comes out, because Darwinists have the disturbing habit of trying to get publication agreements for ID-friendly literature revoked.

Darwinist: And this isn't a properly peer reviewed article, it's...Old Man Dembski!

Dembski:  I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2012,12:35   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 17 2012,07:03)
Dembski ponies up the "ID lesson plan". No, seriously.

(3) Bayesian and Fisherian Design Inferences (statistics)

Would this be the ID version, where Fisher is king, or the Bible Code version, where Bayes rules?

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2012,16:40   

Hot on the heels of his "You Bet Your Life" post, Barry 'Columbine' Arrington must already be hard at work explaining why atheists killed so many people in Nigeria. Oh, wait...

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(Permalink) Posted: June 18 2012,19:55   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ June 18 2012,10:04)
Anyone hear anything on the Coppedge trial?  I though the decision was due at the end of May.

Nothing yet. It may be that the lawyers procrastinated getting in their briefs until the last minute, so the judge may have just gotten those within the past week or so. If we still haven't heard anything by mid-July, I might start getting anxious.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2012,00:51   

The Dodgenator has churned out combination a1:
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I’m something of an evangelist for classical music, since it has brought me so much joy and reward all throughout my life. My piano teacher, Ruby Bailey, with whom I studied from the age of seven through high school (and, actually, beyond), I consider to be my second mother.
...
So how does Darwinism account for this, the extraordinary power of music in all of our lives?


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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2012,04:28   

Quote (Kattarina98 @ June 19 2012,00:51)
The Dodgenator has churned out combination a1:  
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I’m something of an evangelist for classical music, since it has brought me so much joy and reward all throughout my life. My piano teacher, Ruby Bailey, with whom I studied from the age of seven through high school (and, actually, beyond), I consider to be my second mother.
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So how does Darwinism account for this, the extraordinary power of music in all of our lives?

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The Extraordinary Power of Music (How does Darwinism account for this?)


Gil, for the sake of argument let's say it does not.

How does ID account for it?

...

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2012,06:51   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 19 2012,10:28)
 
   
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The Extraordinary Power of Music (How does Darwinism account for this?)


Gil, for the sake of argument let's say it does not.

How does ID account for it?

...

That has already been established beyond doubt.

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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2012,10:41   

Why would "Darwinism" need to account for it? What the theory of evolution accounts for is the heirarchy of shared traits among species. Particular traits are contingent on the past ancestors of that species; those aren't necessarily even known, so lack of accounting for such doesn't contradict the theory. Or am I being picky?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2012,10:51   

Ha! Darwinism needs to account for all fields of science - geology, physics, astrophysics, cosmology, neuroscience ... you name it. As soon as new results come in which explain a phenomenon Teh Designer is under attack.

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: June 19 2012,11:17   

Darwintunes!
http://darwintunes.org/....nes....nes.org

http://www.sciencenews.org/view.......f_music

Some of it's is ok! Especially 900+ generations in.

Gil says:
 
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You’re going to love this:

On the origin of music by means of natural selection…

http://phys.org/news.......al.html

Isn’t it just amazing? Natural selection explains everything!



I think you forgot to include the "ID" explanation there frill.

What is wrong with these bitter empty people? Is sneering all they have?

I'm reading a book at the moment, Experiments in Musical Intelligence, and I can guarantee you that you'd not be able to tell what was generated by a program.

http://www.slate.com/article....ch.html

 
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There's a reason Cope talks about composing this way: He is the inventor of the world's most musically creative computer program, whose latest album came out a few weeks ago. Cope has been writing software to help him compose music for 30 years, and he long ago reached the point where most people can't tell the difference between real Bach and the Bach-like compositions his computer can produce. Audiences have been moved to tears by melodies created by algorithms. And yet, it's not exactly that Cope has created a computer than can write music like a human. The way he sees it, it's that humans compose like computers.


mp3

Not evolved, but I'm sure Gil would sneer anyway.

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

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