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Learned Hand



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2015,18:30   

Quote (paragwinn @ Jan. 22 2015,17:31)
Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 22 2015,14:54)
I missed that--when was it?

Starts here.

Thanks, but I meant when did the UD editors disavow editing comments?

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2015,18:33   

Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 22 2015,18:30)
Quote (paragwinn @ Jan. 22 2015,17:31)
Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 22 2015,14:54)
I missed that--when was it?

Starts here.

Thanks, but I meant when did the UD editors disavow editing comments?

its from waaaaay back, although KeithS linked to it around the "Barry's Bomb" era. Still looking.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2015,19:50   

Quote (Driver @ Jan. 21 2015,21:36)
There are no puns on the word "Liebfraumilch". Prove me wrong.

Can't think of anything that would include all three parts of that. I guess that just shows there's no such thing as a frau milch.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2015,22:01   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 22 2015,18:30)
Still searching. In the meantime, enjoy:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-policy

 
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What about the “God-bashing” and the defenses of God that have appeared in these pages? God can take care of Himself. We at UD feel no need to protect Him from defamation. Bash away. Those who are offended by (or disagree with) the bashing are welcome to post such defenses as they deem appropriate....


[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism/jeff-shallit-surely-the-right-analogy-is-santa-claus-to-jesus-christ-both-are-mythical-fig

ures-spectacular-fail-at-history-101/#comment-516158]http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism....-516158[/URL]

 
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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 22 2015,22:36   

Quote (stevestory @ Jan. 22 2015,20:01)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 22 2015,18:30)
Still searching. In the meantime, enjoy:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-policy

   
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What about the “God-bashing” and the defenses of God that have appeared in these pages? God can take care of Himself. We at UD feel no need to protect Him from defamation. Bash away. Those who are offended by (or disagree with) the bashing are welcome to post such defenses as they deem appropriate....


[URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism/jeff-shallit-surely-the-right-analogy-is-santa-claus-to-jesus-christ-both-are-mythical-fig


ures-spectacular-fail-at-history-101/#comment-516158]http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism....-516158[/URL]

   
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Blasphemy crosses the line. Graham2 is no longer with us.

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Here are some ways to find what you are looking for

Search the site

This link will take you there:

http://tinyurl.com/kg9xcgt....kg9xcgt

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Learned Hand



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2015,22:49   

Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 22 2015,14:57)
Enjoy it while it lasts. Barry is at his least gracious when losing face, and the last few threads have gone very poorly for him. No one stood up for his legal pontificating, which was so limp he walked away from it, and even KF is having trouble finding something supportive to say about the Orgel flub.

I predict I'll be banned by the end of the week. I think he was fishing for a pretext when he pushed back on my comments to Stephen B; if Stephen hadn't blithely ignored the attempt to gin up an excuse, it might have been done already.

Prediction confirmed. Barry has banned me, without announcement and with a hanging question so that it appears I can't answer him. I'd appreciate it if someone could make that clear there, although obviously you might get banned for it, so probably not worth it.

  
Learned Hand



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 23 2015,22:55   

For what it's worth, the two comments I was trying to leave before I realized the conversation was terminated with prejudice:

1. Because the rest of the sentence was not ironic. Try to keep up. . . . Then why do you constantly launch character attacks at those who disagree with you. You are both a liar and a hypocrite.

I'm sorry that you think I "constantly launch character attacks." I don't think I do. That's why I asked you to cite some of the "dozens of comments" you mentioned, because I'd be alarmed if I was coming off that way.

Speaking of irony, do you think it's ironic that you (a) rise the subject of irony, (b) accuse me of "launching character attacks," then ( c) call me a liar and a hypocrite without pausing for breath, in a thread in which you've called people who disagree with you credulous, idiotic, fascistic, hypocritical, liars, etc.?

I make a conscious effort to be civil, especially in heated conversations. I have to remind myself sometimes that I'm not always successful, and I certainly can be a jerk. But I make an honest effort, and I think that's reflected in the way we've conducted ourselves here and elsewhere. I've defended you at AtBC; you've called me a liar and a hypocrite.

Well, it's your party. You can say whatever you want about whomever you want, ban anyone who questions your standards of conduct, and then ban anyone who questions the banning. But like I said, I'd be pretty comfortable showing a stranger this thread as an example of how I conduct myself among strangers who disagree with me. Would you?

You once wrote, "Simple charity demands that we assume our opponents are acting in good faith, and this requires us to deal with their arguments at face value.  I am certain this is how they would want to be treated, and I hope that someday they will apply the golden rule and extend the same charity to us, instead of simply assuming we are liars and attacking us on that basis alone."

I think you're finding that an easier standard to articulate than to achieve.



2. You get a 38% change of being right. RDW gets a 68%. He’s willing to bet you as many times as you want. Still think it’s a decent bet?

No, not the game you describe. The one I described is, for the reasons I set forth. That's how gambling works--whoever sets the rules makes the money.

I articulated my game because I think it gets at the significance of these data. A 38% chance that last year was the hottest year on record is actually pretty meaningful if we look at the total span of all years with recorded temperature data.

  
The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 24 2015,04:18   

Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 23 2015,20:49)
Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 22 2015,14:57)
Enjoy it while it lasts. Barry is at his least gracious when losing face, and the last few threads have gone very poorly for him. No one stood up for his legal pontificating, which was so limp he walked away from it, and even KF is having trouble finding something supportive to say about the Orgel flub.

I predict I'll be banned by the end of the week. I think he was fishing for a pretext when he pushed back on my comments to Stephen B; if Stephen hadn't blithely ignored the attempt to gin up an excuse, it might have been done already.

Prediction confirmed. Barry has banned me, without announcement and with a hanging question so that it appears I can't answer him. I'd appreciate it if someone could make that clear there, although obviously you might get banned for it, so probably not worth it.

"banned me, without announcement and with a hanging question"

That's the typical modus operandi of IDiot-creationists, and it's not uncommon for them to sneeringly claim that the banned person ran away. The IDiots are two-faced liars and cowards, the lot of them.

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Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2015,18:52   

Apparently Barry has now silently banned Keith s. can Mark Frank WD400 and rvb8 be far behind?

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 25 2015,20:07   

Barry, with his objective morality, was doing so well he had to ban everyone. Being Barry must be some horrible punishment.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2015,12:49   

VJ has taken on Jerry Coyne.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....oodness

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2015,18:23   

Has the ninth anniversary of these UD threads been observed already?
Remember when...

ETA remembering to spell

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2015,18:33   

Dipshit Gary Gaulen is trying to boost him "Tardsplurge of ID" over there. They are ignoring him.

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2015,20:23   

I thank whoever it was that pointed him toward the mothership.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 26 2015,21:55   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 26 2015,20:23)
I thank whoever it was that pointed him toward the mothership.

I hope it was me!

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2015,07:40   

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Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 26 2015,20:23)
I thank whoever it was that pointed him toward the mothership.

I hope it was me!

I think it was...



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2015,11:04   

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Dipshit Gary Gaulen is trying to boost him "Tardsplurge of ID" over there. They are ignoring him.

Gary joins Joe and Byers in the prestigious "Too silly to be taken seriously at UD" club.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2015,11:58   

Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 27 2015,12:04)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 26 2015,16:33)
Dipshit Gary Gaulen is trying to boost him "Tardsplurge of ID" over there. They are ignoring him.

Gary joins Joe and Byers in the prestigious "Too silly to be taken seriously at UD" club.

IIRC, he's been put there before by them.  This is at least his second go-round there, and could be his fourth.
He's getting desperate when he tries reruns at sites that have already rejected him, even though he knows,  he just knows that they're really all part of the same team.  His team.
It's probably because he has trouble distinguishing which of the voices are inside his head and which come from outside.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 27 2015,12:18   

Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 27 2015,11:04)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 26 2015,16:33)
Dipshit Gary Gaulen is trying to boost him "Tardsplurge of ID" over there. They are ignoring him.

Gary joins Joe and Byers in the prestigious "Too silly to be taken seriously at UD" club.

Prestigious, but not small or exclusive.

Are there any ID regulars who are not members?

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2015,17:21   

Quote (paragwinn @ Jan. 26 2015,18:23)
Has the ninth anniversary of these UD threads been observed already?
Remember when...

ETA remembering to spell

Excellent!  Thanks for the link - Memory Lane 4 sure. Not much has changed at UD after all that time - except DaveScot is gone and the regulars have gotten more insular and crazier.  

They are like Zombie posters - they are all dead,  but they don't know it and so they have knee jerk reactions. They are constantly looking for BRAINZ -= but of course at UD - There ARE no BRAINZ!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2015,23:37   

Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 27 2015,16:04)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 26 2015,16:33)
Dipshit Gary Gaulen is trying to boost him "Tardsplurge of ID" over there. They are ignoring him.

Gary joins Joe and Byers in the prestigious "Too silly to be taken seriously at UD" club.

Even Joe isn't in that club. KF gave him an OP a few months back.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 28 2015,23:42   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Jan. 27 2015,17:18)
Quote (JohnW @ Jan. 27 2015,11:04)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Jan. 26 2015,16:33)
Dipshit Gary Gaulen is trying to boost him "Tardsplurge of ID" over there. They are ignoring him.

Gary joins Joe and Byers in the prestigious "Too silly to be taken seriously at UD" club.

Prestigious, but not small or exclusive.

Are there any ID regulars who are not members?

"Too silly to be taken seriously at UD" not "Too silly to be taken seriously, at UD." which is indeed all of them.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2015,06:36   

Lewontin!

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2015,12:25   

My latest and last little exchange at UD got me thinking about the nature of these arguments, and encouraged me to finally blog a piece of my ever-in-progress book:

http://violentmetaphors.com/2015....ourself

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2015,13:50   

Looks good. As an attorney you sometimes have to reach some kind of agreement.

On the internet, I know I will never reach agreement.

In my very best moments, I simply try to hone my argument. The approach isn't far from yours. What you want to do is pull out from your adversary, the very best and most cogent argument he can make.

It's a delicate thing, because it involves asking a lot of questions. Questions are aggressive, and not many people are dim enough not to notice their intent.

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2015,15:39   

It's a delicate thing, because it involves asking a lot of questions. Questions are aggressive, and not many people are dim enough not to notice their intent.

That's an interesting point. I ask a lot of questions, rhetorical and otherwise, and you're right--they're pretty aggressive. I hadn't really thought about it that way before, possibly because I'm used to environments where questions are just the way people communicate. I might update the post, or integrate this into a future installment.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2015,16:22   

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environments where questions are just the way people communicate.

Like in science. Or a response on Jeopardy!

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2015,22:39   

Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 29 2015,15:39)
Questions are aggressive, and not many people are dim enough not to notice their intent.

That's an interesting point. I ask a lot of questions, rhetorical and otherwise, and you're right--they're pretty aggressive. I hadn't really thought about it that way before, possibly because I'm used to environments where questions are just the way people communicate. I might update the post, or integrate this into a future installment.

The questions you and others asked at UD were justified and I wouldn't consider them being agressive. UD's problem is that they don't have answers and if they have answers these are either wrong or replies to questions nobody asked.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 29 2015,22:46   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Jan. 29 2015,06:36)
Lewontin!

again, but not at UD and for better reasons

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(Permalink) Posted: Jan. 30 2015,03:27   

Quote (Learned Hand @ Jan. 29 2015,12:25)
My latest and last little exchange at UD got me thinking about the nature of these arguments, and encouraged me to finally blog a piece of my ever-in-progress book:

http://violentmetaphors.com/2015.......ourself

Thanks. Lots to think about, even if I have a suspicion a lot of accounts on AtBC aren't real people (k.e. is definitely a bot, for example)

One little detail jumped out at me when you wrote this:
 
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In a lot of ways, it was one specific exchange that spurred me to write this. The host at Uncommon Descent, after a few days of sparring on various subjects, told me that he thought I must “believe that only someone with a character flaw can possibly disagree with him.”


Barry's opinion of those who disagree with him jars a bit with his "Not Unbroken" post where he acknowledges that he's not perfect (one might even say he's acknowledging he has a character flaw). I think it's this lack of introspection that makes Barry so frustrating - if he were prepared to acknowledge he might be wrong I think he would be a really interesting person to talk to.

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