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Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,13:25    Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 17 2008,01:25) If we keep making jokes about Louis' and his mother, someone is going to notice, and then we'll all really be in trouble... Who, what, where, why? You damn kids get off mah lawn, yah hear? DAMN YOU KIDS! Louis P.S. Who's the cute chick? -------------- Bye.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,13:39    Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 17 2008,11:59) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 17 2008,11:34)   Even though we know ID has nothing to do with Creationism or religion  ;)  the IDiots try and try, but they just can't help talking about their OdGay. Even their designated political rubes have not been able to disguise their roots. TX State Board of Education member Ken Mercer, in an opinion piece in the San Antonio Express News, tells us that "scientific weaknesses" in evolution need to be discussed. What "scientific" reason does he give? Here 'tis (emphasis added)       Quote Most people of faith agree with what is commonly referred to as “micro” evolution,” small changes that are clearly visible. We see this in new vaccines and new strains of flu. You can witness evidence of microevolution downtown in any city via the thousands of varieties of stray dogs and cats. Mercer repeats old religious antievolution arguments. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,13:50    Quote (Louis @ Dec. 17 2008,13:25)   Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 17 2008,01:25) P.S. Who's the cute chick? If I am not mistaken, that is Nickel Coin, winner of the 1951 Grand National. Last mare to do so. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,14:11    Quote (carlsonjok @ Dec. 17 2008,19:50) Quote (Louis @ Dec. 17 2008,13:25)     Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 17 2008,01:25) P.S. Who's the cute chick? If I am not mistaken, that is Nickel Coin, winner of the 1951 Grand National. Last mare to do so. Ah yes, I think I once won thirty quid on her Kempton Park... Louis -------------- Bye.

deadman_932 Posts: 3094 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,14:32    I realize that standards at UD have fallen even further from a semblance of "sciencey-ness" ever since Barry "The Lawyer" Arrington took over, but ..DAMN -- they're not even trying anymore. Also, quit making fun of Lizzy, she's not a damn horse, you unscrupulous bastards. Here's a guy who rides a horse: -------------- AtBC Award for Thoroughness in the Face of Creationism

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,14:45    Quote (deadman_932 @ Dec. 17 2008,14:32) Also, quit making fun of Lizzy, she's not a damn horse, you unscrupulous bastards. Here's a guy who rides a horse: An interesting photo that only reinforces the sentiments I expressed here. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Tony M Nyphot Posts: 491 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,14:57    Quote (deadman_932 @ Dec. 17 2008,13:32) I realize that standards at UD have fallen even further from a semblance of "sciencey-ness" ever since Barry "The Lawyer" Arrington took over, but ..DAMN -- they're not even trying anymore. Also, quit making fun of Lizzy, she's not a damn horse, you unscrupulous bastards. Here's a guy who rides a horse: Maybe it's all the facial "improvements", but Camilla is starting to look a lot like Joan Rivers to me... -------------- "I, OTOH, am an underachiever...I either pee my pants or faint dead away..." FTK "You could always wrap fresh fish in the paper you publish it on, though, and sell that." - Field Man on how to find value in Gary Gaulin's real-science "theory"

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,15:20    BTW, My appeal to resume commenting on UD seems to have hit the proverbial brick wall.  The UD mods I was referred to, Jack Cole (The Country Shrink), and Jake Akins, don't seem interested in actually letting my comments get seen by anyone but themselves. Since I hadn't seen those names mentioned by others, I thought I'd share them with you. Cole seems to be a small town psychologist with a side practice in anti-science. Akins I can't find a trace of on the web unless he's a 70-ish nerd that hates every book or game he's ever reviewed on Amazon. These are the guys Denyse turned me over to on my request to get reinstated. I don't know how many mods there are at UD or where they are in the pecking order. -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,15:43    Joe Tard never fails to disappoint reproduced in entirety for delicious savoring of the steamy hot stuff Quote Ray said:You are ignorant, unable to refute. This explains your angry comment, gross misrepresentation of my message. Anyone can scroll back and see that my post was quality. No Ray, the ignorance is all yours. And your post’s qulity is very poor. As a matter of fact your post exposes your ignorance. Ray said:“Supernatural” simply means that God is involved with nature. ID does NOT require “God” and it certainly does not require the supernatural. And I understand philosophy and science better than you will ever. So what we have is someone named Ray Martinez coming here ignorant of ID and philosophy. BTW I did NOT admit ignorance concerning Philosophy. I just said I am not a philosophizer. And it appears that you are not, either. It also appears that you know very little about anything. Arguing from ignioarnce is not a good thing yet you wear your ignorance as a badge of honor. spelling, grammar, tard, lulz.  it's all in there folks. very next comment hogtied with his own gordian knot.  he didn't understand Sal Gal's trap Quote Again I ask, what does intelligence transform into complex specified information? Raw materials. Tat is how we humans and other designing agencies we know of do it. And it is not “transform into CSI”. It is transformed into something containing CSI. ahhhhhhhhhhhhh -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,15:44    Quote (dvunkannon @ Dec. 17 2008,15:20) BTW, My appeal to resume commenting on UD seems to have hit the proverbial brick wall.  The UD mods I was referred to, Jack Cole (The Country Shrink), and Jake Akins, don't seem interested in actually letting my comments get seen by anyone but themselves. Since I hadn't seen those names mentioned by others, I thought I'd share them with you. Cole seems to be a small town psychologist with a side practice in anti-science. Akins I can't find a trace of on the web unless he's a 70-ish nerd that hates every book or game he's ever reviewed on Amazon. These are the guys Denyse turned me over to on my request to get reinstated. I don't know how many mods there are at UD or where they are in the pecking order. The following response is completely made up, so I think that means that the Designer Front-Loaded me to say: I think it all starts with God (Dr. Dr. Dembski). Then his Arch Angels like DaveScot. Assorted Minions like Barry A Total Ass-Hat Posters like BA^77 and Joe G. I think Dense-ee is pretty far down the list, and if you judged her contribution to The Exciting World Of ID Sciencey Sounding Things, she'd be like the bottom of your shoe...in Iraq. Just my free opinion and worth every Canadian cent. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Venus Mousetrap Posts: 201 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,16:27    Have you noticed the 'Put a sock in it' page of stuff UD doesn't want to answer questions on has been updated with recent events, like Dembski's Eggplantery Filter?

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,16:58    Quote (Venus Mousetrap @ Dec. 17 2008,16:27) Have you noticed the 'Put a sock in it' page of stuff UD doesn't want to answer questions on has been updated with recent events, like Dembski's Eggplantery Filter? Good lord, that page runs to over 14,000 words. They may as well shorten it to "We will not tolerate any dissent". I did like this heading though:     Quote Lenski’s Research on Citrate-Eating E. Coli Refututes Behe’s Edge of Evolution Hypothesis Edited to add emphasis. -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.â€� We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.â€� -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,17:20    Oooooh!  DaveScot takes on Barry A! Dave gets in the first shot, and tosses in a snide remark about Barry A's new moderation policy...         Quote DaveScot: Barry As a materialist most of the time I feel qualified to point out that what materialists generally think is an illusion is consciousness that is independent of a brain. I suspect few if any would agree that consciousness itself is an illusion. The previous poster, now banned, made a legitimate point. Barry stumbles but replies       Quote Barry A: Your response can be boiled down to: A thoroughly materialist account of consciousness,which probably must take into account quantum mechanics, is too complicated for us to express now, and will probably always be too complicated for us to express. This is the typical “promissory materialism” that we have seen so often with a twist. Here the twist is that in the very act of making the promissory note, the maker of the note admits that he may never be able to pay it. Not very satisfying to say the least. Dave with another nut punch...         Quote DaveScot: Barry, I won’t agree that there is more than a brain required for self-consciousness. Occam’s Razor seems to be cutting in my favor as you’re the one who is adding something unnecessary (IMO) to what’s needed to explain self-awareness. What has satisfying got to do with anything? The truth is often disappointing. This could get interesting.  Where's the damn popcorn smiley? -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,17:25    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 17 2008,18:20) Oooooh!  DaveScot takes on Barry A! Dave gets in the first shot, and tosses in a snide remark about Barry A's new moderation policy...           Quote DaveScot: Barry As a materialist most of the time I feel qualified to point out that what materialists generally think is an illusion is consciousness that is independent of a brain. I suspect few if any would agree that consciousness itself is an illusion. The previous poster, now banned, made a legitimate point. Barry stumbles but replies         Quote Barry A: Your response can be boiled down to: A thoroughly materialist account of consciousness,which probably must take into account quantum mechanics, is too complicated for us to express now, and will probably always be too complicated for us to express. This is the typical “promissory materialism” that we have seen so often with a twist. Here the twist is that in the very act of making the promissory note, the maker of the note admits that he may never be able to pay it. Not very satisfying to say the least. Dave with another nut punch...           Quote DaveScot: Barry, I won’t agree that there is more than a brain required for self-consciousness. Occam’s Razor seems to be cutting in my favor as you’re the one who is adding something unnecessary (IMO) to what’s needed to explain self-awareness. What has satisfying got to do with anything? The truth is often disappointing. This could get interesting.  Where's the damn popcorn smiley? I'm rooting for Dave on this one. Kick 'im in the na.. I mean, good luck Dave. *settles in with popcorn and Spanish flash cards* ETA: Edited by Lou FCD on Dec. 17 2008,18:27 -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Lowell Posts: 101 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,17:33    I was unaware of UD's "Put a Sock in It" page. That's hilarious. Do you think Davescot wrote the whole thing? (I saw at least one "write that down.") I thought it was funny that, to refute the notion that IDists don't do research, it states that "John Davison has been publishing on his prescribed evolutionary hypothesis." They also have another link to JAD stuff elsewhere on the site. Isn't Jarvison banned from UD? Is one their paragons of brilliant ID "researchers" too crazy to trust with posting privileges? That's awesome. -------------- The resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the most well documented events of antiquity. Barry Arrington, Jan 17, 2012.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,17:35    Quote Barry abandons any remaining pretense of openness at UD: 4 Barry Arrington 12/17/2008 3:47 pm Neither Mike nor Mark seem to understand the point of the post. The post is not about the nature of consciousness. It is about the hypocrisy of trying to have it both ways — saying it means nothing and that it means everthing at the same time. Mike and Mark should move along. Those of you capable of grasping the basic point of the post should feel free to post comments. in other words, "agree that I'm right or leave". Real academic freedom ya got going there, Barry.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,17:44    Quote (Lowell @ Dec. 17 2008,17:33) I was unaware of UD's "Put a Sock in It" page. That's hilarious. Do you think Davescot wrote the whole thing? (I saw at least one "write that down.") I thought it was funny that, to refute the notion that IDists don't do research, it states that "John Davison has been publishing on his prescribed evolutionary hypothesis." They also have another link to JAD stuff elsewhere on the site. Isn't Jarvison banned from UD? Is one their paragons of brilliant ID "researchers" too crazy to trust with posting privileges? That's awesome. It would be much shorter and easier if they just put up a list of acceptable UD post topics: 1. Kiss Dr. Dr. Dr.'s ass. 2. Agree with Barry A on anything. 3. Agree with Gil Dodge'em on anything. 4. Buy Granny Spice's book. 5. Rant on how the demise of Darwinism is eminent. 6. Mumble anything positive about FSCI, the EF, or flagella. 7. Whine about how IDers are so persecuted. 8. Praise Jeebus! -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,17:55    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 17 2008,18:44) It would be much shorter and easier if they just put up a list of acceptable UD post topics: 1. Kiss Dr. Dr. Dr.'s ass. 2. Agree with Barry A on anything. 3. Agree with Gil Dodge'em on anything. 4. Buy Granny Spice's book. 5. Rant on how the demise of Darwinism is eminent. 6. Mumble anything positive about FSCI, the EF, or flagella. 7. Whine about how IDers are so persecuted. 8. Praise Jeebus! 9 Incoherent and philisophically uninformed Mad-Libs style sentences with interchangeable words like "Materialism is not Naturalism it's the opposite of Supernaturalism" etc etc etc...

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,18:18    Quote (Lowell @ Dec. 17 2008,18:07) Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 17 2008,00:07) So not admissable in say Texas? Well, it's not a matter of admissibility (that has to do with rules of evidence). It's that the Kitzmiller decision is technically not controlling anywhere outside of the middle district of Pennsylvania. No other court is bound to follow it. That said, any court dealing with ID in the future would have to at least consider the Kitzmiller decision. A court that wants to disagree with it would have to come up with some damn good reasons not to follow it in order to avoid reversal on appeal. I would LOVE to see a fundie Judge try that. Can you imagine?... ....we considered evidence from ghosts Paley et. al, two aliens and 15 angels all of whom said ID was a valid scientific way to verify their own existance, therefore this court finds that ID is science -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,18:19    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 17 2008,17:35)     Quote Barry abandons any remaining pretense of openness at UD: 4 Barry Arrington 12/17/2008 3:47 pm Neither Mike nor Mark seem to understand the point of the post. The post is not about the nature of consciousness. It is about the hypocrisy of trying to have it both ways — saying it means nothing and that it means everthing at the same time. Mike and Mark should move along. Those of you capable of grasping the basic point of the post should feel free to post comments. in other words, "agree that I'm right or leave". Real academic freedom ya got going there, Barry. Barry A's latest attempt at open honest dialog     Quote Barry Arrington 12/17/2008 6:55 pm MikeKratch, all of your efforts to redirect this thread into a discussion of the Old Testament and religious beliefs were a waste of time. They were deleted. If you want to discuss the topic of this post, by all means do so. If not, move along. If you continue to try to bring extraneous topics into the thread they (along with your privilege to post on this site) will be deleted as well. "I deleted all your comments that I didn't like.  Now agree with me, dammit, or you'll be banned!" I'm pretty sure the 'A' in Barry A stands for something besides Arrington.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

steve_h Posts: 544 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,18:33    At last O'Morphy gives an interesting link. I C&P'd a few of her posts and got:

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,19:14    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 17 2008,19:19) linky?

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,19:19    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 17 2008,19:14) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 17 2008,19:19) linky? Here in the 'Materialist Hypocrisy' thread. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,19:34    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 18 2008,03:19) Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 17 2008,19:14) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 17 2008,19:19) linky? Here in the 'Materialist Hypocrisy' thread. ALL SCIENCE SO FAR!!!! Barry seems to think meat is immoral and someone asks if he is a vegitable....no wait...... he asks if he is a vegitarian. BWhahahahahahahahaha <snicker> Barry is reaming himself, it's almost too perfect to watch. AND WE ALL THOUGHT IT WOULD BE ALL OVER WITH DAVE TARD GOING .....or coming back ...or whatever...or having a quiet nibble ...urp or feasting on the fly blown remains ...baaaarrrrrffffff -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,19:36    Quote (Ptaylor @ Dec. 17 2008,16:58) Quote (Venus Mousetrap @ Dec. 17 2008,16:27) Have you noticed the 'Put a sock in it' page of stuff UD doesn't want to answer questions on has been updated with recent events, like Dembski's Eggplantery Filter? Good lord, that page runs to over 14,000 words. They may as well shorten it to "We will not tolerate any dissent". I did like this heading though:     Quote Lenski’s Research on Citrate-Eating E. Coli Refututes Behe’s Edge of Evolution Hypothesis Edited to add emphasis. Well, Dembski seems to like the sound of "tutes", as he put them into his Judge Jones animation.   -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,19:41    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 17 2008,17:20) Oooooh!  DaveScot takes on Barry A! Dave gets in the first shot, and tosses in a snide remark about Barry A's new moderation policy...         Quote DaveScot: Barry As a materialist most of the time I feel qualified to point out that what materialists generally think is an illusion is consciousness that is independent of a brain. I suspect few if any would agree that consciousness itself is an illusion. The previous poster, now banned, made a legitimate point. If Dave was moderating those good points would never have seen the light of day!   -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,19:49    Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Dec. 18 2008,03:41) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Dec. 17 2008,17:20) Oooooh!  DaveScot takes on Barry A! Dave gets in the first shot, and tosses in a snide remark about Barry A's new moderation policy...           Quote DaveScot: Barry As a materialist most of the time I feel qualified to point out that what materialists generally think is an illusion is consciousness that is independent of a brain. I suspect few if any would agree that consciousness itself is an illusion. The previous poster, now banned, made a legitimate point. If Dave was moderating those good points would never have seen the light of day!  :p TAHT'S RITE CHANCE WHORSHIPPA HOMO-ETTE!! IF BARRY HAD ANY BALLS HE WOOD BAN ME ME ME ME I'M STILL NUMBER ONE ALPHA DOG ID HOUND!!! HAHAHA I KILL ME SOMETIMES. dt -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,20:19    is it just me, or does the current situation at UD seem less than stable?

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,20:57    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 17 2008,21:19) is it just me, or does the current situation at UD seem less than stable? The tard is approaching critical mass? -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 17 2008,21:32    Quote (khan @ Dec. 17 2008,20:57)   Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 17 2008,21:19) is it just me, or does the current situation at UD seem less than stable? The tard is approaching critical mass? When the harsh but order-keeping dictatorship left, every unqualified idiot and his brother rushed in to fill the power vacuum created.  Not unlike what happened in Iraq, now that I think about it. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

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