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Renier Posts: 276 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,11:35    Tiax, you sound suprised? Quote The colors are all far too vibrant too. Think davey might be, eh, y'know, taking something? Maybe that's what the "lab at home" is for... don't touch the stuff Dave!!!

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,11:48    Quote I had honestly underestimated the strength of the YEC readership at that blog. With the pseudomath mumbo jumbo it's easy to forget that Intelligent Design is a facade with nothing but OECs and YECs underneath.

beervolcano Posts: 147 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,12:15    Quote (Arden Chatfield @ May 01 2006,14:21) DaveTard has a 'lab' at home? Quote Well Someone has to do ID research. Wait, I thought Dave was a theerist, not an experimentalist... -------------- ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."--Jonathan Swift)

Tiax Posts: 62 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,14:14    Quote (Renier @ May 01 2006,16:35) Tiax, you sound suprised? I really shouldn't be after the whole common descent thing...

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,14:27    Quote Wait, I thought Dave was a theerist, not an experimentalist... He's a polymath.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,14:38    Quote Terra Iu(ventus) When the earth is referred to as old or young it should be kept in mind that time itself is not a constant, as postulated by Einstein’s theory of relativity. The rate of expansion of the universe since the Big Bang (Gen 1:1) would cause a time dialation effect … Which in turn would cause mankind to argue about the age of the universe .. Finally causing their careers to slow to a standstill . Omnia tempus habent (Eccl 3:1) Comment by Collin DuCrâne — May 1, 2006 @ 4:01 pm Let's get retarded.... Let's get retarded in heah....

Renier Posts: 276 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,14:45    Quote When the earth is referred to as old or young it should be kept in mind that time itself is not a constant, as postulated by Einstein’s theory of relativity. The rate of expansion of the universe since the Big Bang (Gen 1:1) would cause a time dialation effect … Which in turn would cause mankind to argue about the age of the universe .. Parody! Right??? Please tell me it's a parody... please....

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,14:47    Russell's Uncertainty Principle says that it's impossible to determine if some jaw-dropping creationist nonsense is real or a parody.

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,14:47    No no, he is of course referring to this piece of exquisitley crafted bulls**t theory: How can we see distant stars in a young universe?. To summarise because the earth is at the literal center of the universe there is a time dilation which causes the rest of the universe to move much faster so 6000 years for stars thousands of light years away seems like billions of years for us.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,15:00    Quote Wait, I thought Dave was a theerist, not an experimentalist... Let me distinguish between the two: an ID Theorist is someone who fails to create an ID theory, while an ID Experimentalist is someone who fails to do ID experiments.

Dante Posts: 61 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,15:00    Guys, bevets just posted a comment at UD. Anyone who's ever heard of bevets knows what this means... This should be fun to watch. -------------- Dembski said it, I laughed at it, that settles it!

Renier Posts: 276 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,15:02    So Tiime iiiiissss ssslllooowwwiiinnnnggggg dooowwwwnnnnnn? Wish the rapture would hurry up. Can't take this much longer. Eh, on the other hand, what would we laugh at? Oh, wait, agnostic DS would still be here. Phew!

tacitus Posts: 118 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,16:06    Now the last two comments talk about extreme time dilation and crank theories about the creation of our oil fields.  Fine caliber of posters on the UD message board tonight!

Tiax Posts: 62 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,16:08    If I didn't feel that trolling under multiple accounts was less than scrupulous, I would suggest a contest to see how absurd  a post we could make in favour of YEC without getting one of Dave's "witty" rebuttals.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,16:14    I'd hate to be Davetard's orthodontist. He's probably grinding his teeth these days. He's possibly smart enough to realize he's fallen in with retards.

Tiax Posts: 62 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,16:38    "# “Not to digress too far, but I assume everyone here is familiar with Thomas Gold’s theory that fossil fuel does not come from fossils at all:” Fossil fuel did NOT come from fossils! It was intelligently designed to appear at a certain location. Tsk tsk…. ;-) Comment by shalini — May 1, 2006 @ 8:26 pm " How did this get by the moderators?

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,17:14    I think Fross is about to go.... Quote # “The rate of expansion of the universe since the Big Bang (Gen 1:1) would cause a time dialation effect … Which in turn would cause mankind to argue about the age of the universe ..” That is true and I never thought about that! Spacetime would be distorted and this would also make a spherical earth look flat from a certain vantage point. Seriously, I think those ancients were onto something here. Comment by Fross — May 1, 2006 @ 8:43 pm -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,17:16    Should somebody mention that time dilation is expected for the objects that are moving, not the object that is allegedly sitting still in the center of it all? On second thought, never mind. Henry

tacitus Posts: 118 Joined: May 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 01 2006,19:02    Quote (dhogaza @ April 30 2006,20:46) Oh, this YEC thread ("Dinosaur shocker!") gets better and better Quote Is science totally in error about its perception of age? I have seen a heck of a lot of evidence for an old earth. The best evidence I have found involves hunting down details on suggestions made by the YEC community. Glad I wasn't drinking any beer when I read that!  I would've spewed it all over my laptop screen.  It gets better yet, he believes that the discovery is evidence that the dinosaur didn't die all that long ago ...and that this is making scientists COWER. Quote I would be incredibly shocked to discover that dinosaurs really lived in the time of man. However, this evidence should excite the scientific community, not make them cower. Interesting... turns out that "bFast" is also the well-known poster "Sirlinksalot" on the Free Republic message board. Compare: http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1086#comment-33058 with http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1624642/posts?page=34#34 If you read the whole thread, you can see why he would feel at home at Uncommon Descent: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1624642/posts?page=1 Apologies to all sane conservatives reading this for linking to your not-so-well-informed brethern.  There are some stalwarts who defend science on that message board, but they are few in number.

bourgeois_rage Posts: 117 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,02:03    Quote LOL: did he really type that himself, or did someone else sabotage his page?  Either way, it's very funny. It was sabotage. If you look at the history you will see that the post script first showed up in an edit by a user named Disko on Feb 16th. -------------- Overwhelming Evidence: Apply directly to the forehead.

improvius Posts: 807 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,03:22    Quote (Dante @ May 01 2006,20:00) Guys, bevets just posted a comment at UD. Anyone who's ever heard of bevets knows what this means... This should be fun to watch. That's not the real Bevets. -------------- Quote (afdave @ Oct. 02 2006,18:37) Many Jews were in comfortable oblivion about Hitler ... until it was too late. Many scientists will persist in comfortable oblivion about their Creator ... until it is too late.

Chris Hyland Posts: 705 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,03:43    Really? I was hoping to be able to use my summon bevets card.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,04:06    Apparently that stupid relativity claim about the young earth comes from Answers in Genesis.

Fross Posts: 71 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,10:08    Quote (argystokes @ May 01 2006,22:14) I think Fross is about to go.... Quote # “The rate of expansion of the universe since the Big Bang (Gen 1:1) would cause a time dialation effect … Which in turn would cause mankind to argue about the age of the universe ..” That is true and I never thought about that! Spacetime would be distorted and this would also make a spherical earth look flat from a certain vantage point. Seriously, I think those ancients were onto something here. Comment by Fross — May 1, 2006 @ 8:43 pm Yep, I'm no longer allowed to post there. I tried my best to be polite on there, but some of the posts are so comical that I can't help myself. Oh well, it was good while it lasted. -------------- "For everything else, there's Mastertard"

steve_h Posts: 544 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,10:49    http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1086#comment-33058 and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1624642/posts?page=34#34. Quote I’d want to see other researchers get similar samples from an unearthed location at the same site taking extraordinary precautions to ensure that it wasn’t contaminated during or after removal then isolate at least some fragmentary DNA from the samples and have multiple labs replicate the results. From what I read there was nowhere near good enough handling of the samples to insure no contamination because no one expected any need for sterile handling. The "knee-jerk remarks" in bfast's comment (#4) on the UD link match SirLinkalot's comment in the second link. Also the above quote  appears as a '-ds' addition to the bevet's comment (#8) and is also in bfasts/SirLinkalot's comment  in the second link. I'm confused. How do you tell who is a sock puppet or who is copying whom?

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,10:53    Quote (steve_h @ May 02 2006,15:49) http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1086#comment-33058 and http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1624642/posts?page=34#34. Quote I’d want to see other researchers get similar samples from an unearthed location at the same site taking extraordinary precautions to ensure that it wasn’t contaminated during or after removal then isolate at least some fragmentary DNA from the samples and have multiple labs replicate the results. From what I read there was nowhere near good enough handling of the samples to insure no contamination because no one expected any need for sterile handling. The "knee-jerk remarks" in bfast's comment (#4) on the UD link match SirLinkalot's comment in the second link. Also the above quote  appears as a '-ds' addition to the bevet's comment (#8) and is also in bfasts/SirLinkalot's comment  in the second link. I'm confused. How do you tell who is a sock puppet or who is copying whom? As usual, I'm keeping all you losers guessing. You guys never can tell what I'll do next. That's why *you* losers are posting at ATBC and *I* have my own blog and used to work at Dell. Homos.-ds -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

PuckSR Posts: 314 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,10:56    Quote “Not to digress too far, but I assume everyone here is familiar with Thomas Gold’s theory that fossil fuel does not come from fossils at all:” Fossil fuel did NOT come from fossils! It was intelligently designed to appear at a certain location. Tsk tsk…. ;-) Comment by shalini — May 1, 2006 @ 8:26 pm Actually..... This isnt as crazy as it sounds.... It may not be correct...but its not founded on irrational religious junk.... The argument is that oil can be produced by subjecting certain materials to heat and pressure.  The argument is that oil is mostly abiotic.... This has been researched and tested...and proven.... The question...and this is where most of the scientific community stands...is how much of our oil is abiotic and how much is biotic.  Most argue that only a small amount of the oil under the earth is inorganic....while a few argue that the vast majority is inorganic. The man who originally proposed this theory, Thoman Gold, is no idiot...and it actually makes for an interesting read...

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,11:01    Quote (PuckSR @ May 02 2006,15:56) Quote “Not to digress too far, but I assume everyone here is familiar with Thomas Gold’s theory that fossil fuel does not come from fossils at all:” Fossil fuel did NOT come from fossils! It was intelligently designed to appear at a certain location. Tsk tsk…. ;-) Comment by shalini — May 1, 2006 @ 8:26 pm Actually..... This isnt as crazy as it sounds.... It may not be correct...but its not founded on irrational religious junk.... The argument is that oil can be produced by subjecting certain materials to heat and pressure.  The argument is that oil is mostly abiotic.... This has been researched and tested...and proven.... The question...and this is where most of the scientific community stands...is how much of our oil is abiotic and how much is biotic.  Most argue that only a small amount of the oil under the earth is inorganic....while a few argue that the vast majority is inorganic. The man who originally proposed this theory, Thoman Gold, is no idiot...and it actually makes for an interesting read... Interesting. Tho I assume the reason the UD crowd likes his theory is because (a) it jibes better with a Young Earth, and (b) it makes Bush's oil 'policies' seem perfectly reasonable. So although this theory may not have begun life that way, to many it's now classic fundie wishful thinking. -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

beervolcano Posts: 147 Joined: Dec. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,11:22    The really funny thing about YECs bringing up Gold is that Gold thinks that life BEGAN in the deep hot biosphere. IIRC, life has it's origins there (not at the poof of an intelligent wand.) -------------- ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."--Jonathan Swift)

PuckSR Posts: 314 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: May 02 2006,12:06    Quote So although this theory may not have begun life that way, to many it's now classic fundie wishful thinking Well, let them have it... They can also have the whole "dinosaur bone marrow" If its true, its true...and maybe their sudden interest in real science will help expose more people to the idiocy of fundamentalism

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