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Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,18:17    Quote (JohnW @ Feb. 14 2012,18:42) Chris Doyle opines: Quote No doubt that quality is better than quantity in this respect. Even if that means we end up with no ID critics here because not one of them is capable of approaching the debate with any kind of serious rational or empirical basis to their contributions. That is, after all, the destiny of all universal truth. I'm reluctant to suspect Barry of having thought out a long-term plan when all the evidence suggests a drunk monkey staggering around with a meat cleaver.  But Doyle may be onto something here.   Perhaps the next few days will bring us: 1.  A final round of bannination; 2.  A announcement that only fellow-creationists meet UD's exalted standards of debate; 3.  Declaration of victory; 4.  Pack up, delete everything, and go home. We could be living in the UD End Times. Ah, you optimist, you.

KCdgw Posts: 376 Joined: Sep. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,18:19    Oh, fuck you, Barry, you megalomaniacal, hypocritical  asshole, and the horse you rode to death here on. -------------- Those who know the truth are not equal to those who love it-- Confucius

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,18:27    Quote (OgreMkV @ Feb. 14 2012,18:03) This is so awesome.  Hypocrisy... extended meltdown... Don't they have ads... I wonder what this will do to the revenue? Funny you should mention that. I went over to see Denyse's epic stupidity regarding dogs not having fingers and this is what greeted me. ETA: I see JohnW mentioned this before I did.   *shakes fist* -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,18:32    I'm still predicting the Second Coming of DrDr Bill. Of all the many purges, this is the most artificial. Something's coming, and it isn't just Barry Arrington. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

noncarborundum Posts: 320 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,18:46    Arringgoon: Quote Noam, no one will be banned from this site for criticizing ID, and I have no idea where you got such a notion. Go back and read the OP. Only those who demonstrate beyond the slightest doubt that they do not intend to act in good faith (by denying the LNC) will be banned under the new policy. It has everything to do with whether a person is a fool or a charlatan, not whether they criticize ID. Seriously.  Why hasn't ScottAndrews2 been banned, then? -------------- "The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,18:53    Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 14 2012,13:09) He's doubling down on dictatorship. Look at the difference between UD and The Skeptical Zone - The lawyers and preachers at UD are streamlining ways to silence other opinions and reinforce group control, the scientists and philosophers at TSZ are having a very technical and enlightened conversation about TLC. Night and day - in that order. Welcome to the UD Empire with your host, Emperor Palpington, bringing you the santorum side of the Force! -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

noncarborundum Posts: 320 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,19:10    This juxtaposition probably isn't remotely as funny as I think it is: -------------- "The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,19:13    Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 14 2012,16:46) Arringgoon: Quote Noam, no one will be banned from this site for criticizing ID, and I have no idea where you got such a notion. Go back and read the OP. Only those who demonstrate beyond the slightest doubt that they do not intend to act in good faith (by denying the LNC) will be banned under the new policy. It has everything to do with whether a person is a fool or a charlatan, not whether they criticize ID. Seriously.  Why hasn't ScottAndrews2 been banned, then? That would be a single standard. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,19:33    Here's a preliminary list of the deceased. Did I miss anyone? champignon DrRec CGUGreyArea Liz Liddle Bullwinkle Peter Griffin Geoxus Eigenstate Paraquin OgreMk5 MaxEntropy Petrushka Rhampton7 Ben h. Doveton Chas D Heinrich And the deadest doornail of all: Uncommon Descent [revised to include new additions) -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,19:33    Heavens, I go out for a few hours and it all goes pear-shaped! Why are we shooting for the moon now? Has Jupiter disappeared?         Quote (noncarborundum @ Feb. 14 2012,18:46) Arringgoon:           Quote Noam, no one will be banned from this site for criticizing ID, and I have no idea where you got such a notion. Go back and read the OP. Only those who demonstrate beyond the slightest doubt that they do not intend to act in good faith (by denying the LNC) will be banned under the new policy. It has everything to do with whether a person is a fool or a charlatan, not whether they criticize ID. Seriously.  Why hasn't ScottAndrews2 been banned, then? Strickerly speaking, Scott asked the question of himself, and answered "Yes". He answered No when Barry asked him directly. Under the terms of moderation policy 3Bc subsection 7, Scott lowered his eyes before the jabbing finger and gimlet eye of the Grand Inquisitor, which is the correct response, even though contradictory to his previous statement. I've got a bit of time for Scott, though - and funny enough, I'd probably answer "No" too, were it not for the fact that annoying that staunch defender of logical argumentation BA is far more fun. Kudos to ben h. He appears to be a Christian (though Barry seems unaware, and anybody could be anything really), and had earlier suggested that he would not cast aspersions at a brother in "Christ's honesty". He might have been being sarcastic, of course. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,19:38    Y'know I'd gotten bored with Uncommonly Dense, but this last week has been a hysterical return to the Golden Age of T.A.R.D. The next court case is going to be epic. I'm socking away money starting now to make sure I see it in person. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,19:47    Quote …they can no longer utter the phrase, “If A is true, then but B must be false.” stevenb opines. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,19:51    StephenB weighs in Reason and good faith last seen piling their belongings into a U-Haul bound for the coast. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

noncarborundum Posts: 320 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,20:12    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 14 2012,19:51) StephenB weighs in Reason and good faith last seen piling their belongings into a U-Haul bound for the coast. :O Quote Do I know for sure that reason’s rules constitute higher ground because it liberates? Yes, I do. Do I know for sure that postmodern subjectivism is lower ground because it enslaves? Yes, I do. Am I aware of the difficulty these poor souls will encounter as they try to find their way back to intellectual sanity? Yes, I am. But it’s definitely worth the journey. No, it's not. -------------- "The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,20:13    Stephen, the absolute height (or depth) of arrogance.  Amazing. Quote Unfortunately, most of our critics have been brainwashed in post-modern anti-intellectualism to the point where their mental health has been seriously compromised. By any objective standard, they are incapable of rational thought, a clumsy fact of life that presents us with a dilemma: Do we [a] humor them as we have been doing, [b] ban them, which will drastically reduce participation (we are talking about the vast majority), or [c] offer them probation while we introduce them to reason’s rules and explain how they inform evidence. While the last option appeals to me at some level, I acknowledge the drawbacks to offering formal seminars in remedial education: those who need it most are the ones least likely to accept it. There is little one can do with those who choose to remain uneducable.

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,20:20    tjguy rebels: Quote Barry, I’m not comfortable with this either. I’m 100% behind ID as opposed to Darwinism, but I think some of these guys got unfairly banned. I don’t think their “irrational” ideas have ever surfaced in their arguments in the sense that they argue for both A and non-A at the same time. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,20:29    Perhaps Stephen is right, and some lost souls are finding their way to sanity. Just not in his direction. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,20:49    Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 14 2012,19:32) I'm still predicting the Second Coming of DrDr Bill. Of all the many purges, this is the most artificial. Something's coming, and it isn't just Barry Arrington. We shall be able to proclaim "I told you so." when it comes to pass.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,20:58    Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 14 2012,21:49) Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 14 2012,19:32) I'm still predicting the Second Coming of DrDr Bill. Of all the many purges, this is the most artificial. Something's coming, and it isn't just Barry Arrington. We shall be able to proclaim "I told you so." when it comes to pass. Something wicked this way comes. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,21:09    There's a few options on the table, now. 1) Just yer classic meltdown. 2) The imminent return of Dr.Dr Dembski (pbuh). 3) UD is going to re-model itself along ENV lines - i.e. we'd rather you just sit and listen. 4) ......

noncarborundum Posts: 320 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,21:10    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 14 2012,20:58)   Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 14 2012,21:49)   Quote (midwifetoad @ Feb. 14 2012,19:32) I'm still predicting the Second Coming of DrDr Bill. Of all the many purges, this is the most artificial. Something's coming, and it isn't just Barry Arrington. We shall be able to proclaim "I told you so." when it comes to pass. Something wicked this way comes. By the [arrogant] prick[ing] of my thumbs . . . -------------- "The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,21:32    Phrases like "brainwashed in post-modern anti-intellectualism to the point where their mental health has been seriously compromised" "young skulls full of mush" or "not fit for rational discussion" are still flying around UD--most from Barry or his few remaining "yessir" men bending over for him (friendly fire seems to have claimed a few). Is "arrogant prick" worse? A good number of our CEOs, presidents, scientists are undeniably arrogant pricks. But the mentally ill and irrational are only suited for psych wards and monitored work programs. The bannings are clearly for questioning or embarrassing Barry, but to what end?

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,21:34    Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 14 2012,22:09) There's a few options on the table, now. 1) Just yer classic meltdown. 2) The imminent return of Dr.Dr Dembski (pbuh). 3) UD is going to re-model itself along ENV lines - i.e. we'd rather you just sit and listen. 4) ...... 5)  stephen and barry fellate each other to death while gordon mullings strokes a priapism that looking at tranmaw can't kill.  gil plays gpuccio a love song but he can't get out of the mirror long enough to entertain the affection.  gloppy ruptures dembski but offers him a graduate student health insurance plan that comes with a cafeteria meal plan, and then davescot drives the floating mushroom barge up onto the beach and sets the whole place on fire then calls eric pianka and tells him to fuck off and nevermind. no one remembers to get sal out of the stocks in the basement so he is collateral damage -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,21:49    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Feb. 14 2012,22:34) Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 14 2012,22:09) There's a few options on the table, now. 1) Just yer classic meltdown. 2) The imminent return of Dr.Dr Dembski (pbuh). 3) UD is going to re-model itself along ENV lines - i.e. we'd rather you just sit and listen. 4) ...... 5)  stephen and barry fellate each other to death while gordon mullings strokes a priapism that looking at tranmaw can't kill.  gil plays gpuccio a love song but he can't get out of the mirror long enough to entertain the affection.  gloppy ruptures dembski but offers him a graduate student health insurance plan that comes with a cafeteria meal plan, and then davescot drives the floating mushroom barge up onto the beach and sets the whole place on fire then calls eric pianka and tells him to fuck off and nevermind. no one remembers to get sal out of the stocks in the basement so he is collateral damage "Pass me another creationist, this one's split!" With apologies to Mary Gentle and people having anything resembling good taste.

noncarborundum Posts: 320 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,22:20    Quote (Patrick @ Feb. 14 2012,21:49)   Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 14 2012,22:34)   Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 14 2012,22:09) There's a few options on the table, now. 1) Just yer classic meltdown. 2) The imminent return of Dr.Dr Dembski (pbuh). 3) UD is going to re-model itself along ENV lines - i.e. we'd rather you just sit and listen. 4) ...... 5)  stephen and barry fellate each other to death while gordon mullings strokes a priapism that looking at tranmaw can't kill.  gil plays gpuccio a love song but he can't get out of the mirror long enough to entertain the affection.  gloppy ruptures dembski but offers him a graduate student health insurance plan that comes with a cafeteria meal plan, and then davescot drives the floating mushroom barge up onto the beach and sets the whole place on fire then calls eric pianka and tells him to fuck off and nevermind. no one remembers to get sal out of the stocks in the basement so he is collateral damage "Pass me another creationist, this one's split!" With apologies to Mary Gentle and people having anything resembling good taste. Not to worry. -------------- "The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,23:34    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Feb. 14 2012,21:34) Quote (Woodbine @ Feb. 14 2012,22:09) There's a few options on the table, now. 1) Just yer classic meltdown. 2) The imminent return of Dr.Dr Dembski (pbuh). 3) UD is going to re-model itself along ENV lines - i.e. we'd rather you just sit and listen. 4) ...... 5)  stephen and barry fellate each other to death while gordon mullings strokes a priapism that looking at tranmaw can't kill.  gil plays gpuccio a love song but he can't get out of the mirror long enough to entertain the affection.  gloppy ruptures dembski but offers him a graduate student health insurance plan that comes with a cafeteria meal plan, and then davescot drives the floating mushroom barge up onto the beach and sets the whole place on fire then calls eric pianka and tells him to fuck off and nevermind. no one remembers to get sal out of the stocks in the basement so he is collateral damage 6) Barry had a bad date-(posted on Valentine's Day): Quote "I recently wasted an entire evening trying to reason with someone that (analogously) two flips of a coin could yield a heads and a tails in two distinct ways (HT or TH) giving the combination a 50% chance of success over either HH or TT. She was playing a game, and one that she plays every day in life. For every advance I made ... she doubled down and protested all the more. Her arguments became more long-winded and rambling in an attempt to filibuster... seeking to derail the heart of the discussion by finding some small weakness in my peripheral knowledge, to try and gain the upper hand. ....her protests would yield no fruit, she lost all interest..... What I found was a person impervious to learning much of anything, but who was apparently pretty skilled at dishonest debating tactics. This is a person who’s psyche is comprised almost entirely of its own ego, who desires no real learning or illumination, but merely an advantage. The word “shameless” comes to mind, and it’s entirely apropos. edit-Barry is quoting MI here..... Edited by REC on Feb. 15 2012,00:03

noncarborundum Posts: 320 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,23:52    Quote (REC @ Feb. 14 2012,23:34) 6) Barry had a bad date-(posted on Valentine's Day):   Quote "I recently wasted an entire evening trying to reason with someone that (analogously) two flips of a coin could yield a heads and a tails in two distinct ways (HT or TH) giving the combination a 50% chance of success over either HH or TT. She was playing a game, and one that she plays every day in life. For every advance I made ... she doubled down and protested all the more. Her arguments became more long-winded and rambling in an attempt to filibuster... seeking to derail the heart of the discussion by finding some small weakness in my peripheral knowledge, to try and gain the upper hand. ....her protests would yield no fruit, she lost all interest..... What I found was a person impervious to learning much of anything, but who was apparently pretty skilled at dishonest debating tactics. This is a person who’s psyche is comprised almost entirely of its own ego, who desires no real learning or illumination, but merely an advantage. The word “shameless” comes to mind, and it’s entirely apropos. GEM of Icky in drag? -------------- "The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

eigenstate Posts: 78 Joined: Nov. 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,23:53    Dismayed but not surprised by William J Murray:   Quote No, we need to teach them there is a limit to the foolishness adults will tolerate; if they will not learn, then at least we have rid ourselves of the foolishness. Take a lesson from history: appeasement doesn’t work. Yes, appeasing the science geeks on an ID blog is a recipe for what? If we sense weakness, we'll... what? Starting posting charts and graphs? There's something deeply twisted about the idea that letting your opponents, or just those who have different beliefs post and debate is "appeasement". *cues the tanks of the Army of Science to begin rolling into the Sudetenland* OnEdit: forgot to mention who I was referring to. Edited by eigenstate on Feb. 15 2012,00:02

Glen Davidson Posts: 1100 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,23:53    Quote It's a rare thing when we can get the Darwinists who spend so much time denouncing intelligent design to actually argue with us about the science. David Klinghoffer, ENV, Feb. 13 Damn those "Darwinists," we attack strawmen, censor any pro-science forces on our forums, ban them, and the bastards won't discuss science with us. Glen Davidson -------------- http://tinyurl.com/mxaa3p....p Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of coincidence---ID philosophy

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 14 2012,23:59    material.infantacy, Quote It’ll also be entertaining to watch the slough of sock puppets come through over the next couple of weeks. Stand fast, people!

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