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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2014,09:32   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 23 2014,23:11)
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One of the complaints about peer review — a widely used by poorly studied process — is that it tends to reward papers that push science forward incrementally, but isn’t very good at identifying paradigm-shifting work. Put another way, peer review rewards mediocrity at the expense of breakthroughs.

A new paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) by Kyle Silera, Kirby Leeb, and Lisa Bero provides some support for that idea.

http://retractionwatch.com/2014.......s-study

Not to worry: there's no chance of a false rejection of your stuff.

In the meantime, why is your rubbish not made obsolete by Edgar Postrado's rubbish?

Also,
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It is also unreasonable to expect out of place detail that would limit the theory to only one level of intelligence (brains) of a model that has to work for any behavior, intelligent or not.

Since you see intelligence darn near everywhere at all levels, in your opinion what behavior would qualify as not intelligent, and why?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2014,14:16   

Trivial and petty, but amusing...
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2014,04:15)
The typos were caused by a serious case of sleep deprevation.


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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 26 2014,17:28   

Quote (JohnW @ Dec. 26 2014,22:16)
Trivial and petty, but amusing...
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2014,04:15)
The typos were caused by a serious case of sleep deprevation.

Santa ate his homework?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,12:14   

Tard never sleeps.  ;)  :)  :)

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,15:47   

See Figure 2 of this paper. Single transistors are being used to represent neurons, instead of Na+ and K+ channels for the single neuron model I'm working on:
http://www.snl.salk.edu/~sidney....lry.pdf

This suggests that it should be easy to use two (molecular level detail) single neuron circuits to make another (cellular level detail) astable multivibrator circuit. If this is true for biology then once again (as per the ID theory) the same systematics are being used at the next emergent biological level.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,15:51   

What's the opposite of breathtaking insight?

Modeling neurons with transistors ignores all of what we might as well call 'field effects' you persist in dismissing.
What's phantom capacitance, Gary, and what difference does it make between schematic and actual circuit?
The map is not the territory, despite your frenzied efforts to collapse the two into one.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,16:05   

Quote (NoName @ Dec. 27 2014,15:51)
Modeling neurons with transistors ignores all of what we might as well call 'field effects' you persist in dismissing.


Then I will next try FET's.

https://books.google.com/books?i....f=false

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,16:25   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 27 2014,17:05)
 
Quote (NoName @ Dec. 27 2014,15:51)
Modeling neurons with transistors ignores all of what we might as well call 'field effects' you persist in dismissing.


Then I will next try FET's.

https://books.google.com/books?i....f=false

Man, when you miss a point, you operate on galactic-cluster scales.
The type of transistor is irrelevant, your current problem is modeling the wrong things, inadequately, and without attention to context (environment).  You really need to figure out phantom capacitance and why it's relevant here.
The map is not the territory.  Rivers don't flow from the higher edge to the lower.

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,16:42   

Good info:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki....ulation

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,16:54   

Anyone happen to know the numbers to make a .model for Na+ and K+ channels?

http://www.simonbramble.co.uk/lt_spic....l_6.htm

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,17:13   

Proper name (for K+) seems to be: Voltage-gated potassium (K+) channels.  
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Abstract

Voltage-gated potassium (K+) channels are multi-ion pores.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed.....9450939

This can be shortened to "Voltage Gated K+ Channel" and for component name shown in schematics "K+Channel" and  "Na+Channel" would work well.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,17:25   

Ah ha!



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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,18:17   

Desperate and trivial Gary. The classic texas marksman creationist ploy. Shoot at a barn, walk over and draw a bullseye around the hole. Noticing the similarities between two graphs which illustrate electron transport does not support the radical conservative religious nuts who believe god is destroyed by the scientific method. Or in your case Gary believes fairies exist in molecules.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,19:23   

This Lab has a model similar to the one I started with from Tokyo Institute of Technology.

http://people.ece.cornell.edu/land.......b2.html

Try this:

http://people.ece.cornell.edu/land.......ker.asc

In this (also an astable flip-flop) circuit everything is connected to a single "inside_cell" potential. The way I connected the circuit there is a separate output for current going through the membrane to the other side of it, with membrane capacitance in between that can be made different at the exact location of the channel (even though it's generally assumed to be the same everywhere).



To better represent the two sides of a membrane RC1 and RC2 can be drawn right at the base of the transistor they influence. The membrane capacitance should then the two capacitors in between, but I'm not yet 100% sure of that being the source of this capacitance needed in the circuit.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 27 2014,20:11   

Kid's stuff Gary. Radio Shack toy boy amazing himself.

"A coconut shell full of water is an ocean to an ant."

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,00:33   

And yes we must not forget the Radio Shack sodium/potassium pump batteries that are still free with every purchase:

http://highered.mheducation.com/sites....ks.html

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,06:10   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 28 2014,08:33)
And yes we must not forget the Radio Shack sodium/potassium pump batteries that are still free with every purchase:

http://highered.mheducation.com/sites......ks.html

How much power does your circuit generate? None.... map is the terain boy.
You make the free energy pseuds look sane.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,07:13   

Indeed he does -- Gary is willfully blind to the entire realm of thermodynamics and thermodynamic effects.
Which is yet another 'single point of failure' in his efforts.

But something very strange has happened on the last couple of pages.  Gary's efforts have split again.  Now he's wibbling on about hardware emulations of biology.  Previously it was software "modeling".
As we might have expected, his hardware 'simulations' bear no resemblance to his software 'simulations'.  Neither is based on his "theory".  Worse, none of the three bear any resemblance to reality.
It's as if he were using a map of Narnia to get Frodo from the Shire to Casablanca.
Or as if he were desperately attempting to find some territory he could force-fit a map onto and then change the geological features of by modifying the map.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,08:57   

Quote (NoName @ Dec. 28 2014,15:13)
Indeed he does -- Gary is willfully blind to the entire realm of thermodynamics and thermodynamic effects.
Which is yet another 'single point of failure' in his efforts.

But something very strange has happened on the last couple of pages.  Gary's efforts have split again.  Now he's wibbling on about hardware emulations of biology.  Previously it was software "modeling".
As we might have expected, his hardware 'simulations' bear no resemblance to his software 'simulations'.  Neither is based on his "theory".  Worse, none of the three bear any resemblance to reality.
It's as if he were using a map of Narnia to get Frodo from the Shire to Casablanca.
Or as if he were desperately attempting to find some territory he could force-fit a map onto and then change the geological features of by modifying the map.

He had bought a large map representing the sea,
         Without the least vestige of land:
    And the crew were much pleased when they found it to be
         A map they could all understand.

    "What's the good of Mercator's North Poles and Equators,
         Tropics, Zones, and Meridian Lines?"
    So the Bellman would cry: and the crew would reply
         "They are merely conventional signs!

    "Other maps are such shapes, with their islands and capes!
         But we've got our brave Captain to thank:"
    (So the crew would protest) "that he's bought us the best—
         A perfect and absolute blank!"


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,15:42   

Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 28 2014,06:57)
Quote (NoName @ Dec. 28 2014,15:13)
Indeed he does -- Gary is willfully blind to the entire realm of thermodynamics and thermodynamic effects.
Which is yet another 'single point of failure' in his efforts.

But something very strange has happened on the last couple of pages.  Gary's efforts have split again.  Now he's wibbling on about hardware emulations of biology.  Previously it was software "modeling".
As we might have expected, his hardware 'simulations' bear no resemblance to his software 'simulations'.  Neither is based on his "theory".  Worse, none of the three bear any resemblance to reality.
It's as if he were using a map of Narnia to get Frodo from the Shire to Casablanca.
Or as if he were desperately attempting to find some territory he could force-fit a map onto and then change the geological features of by modifying the map.

He had bought a large map representing the sea,
         Without the least vestige of land:
    And the crew were much pleased when they found it to be
         A map they could all understand.

    "What's the good of Mercator's North Poles and Equators,
         Tropics, Zones, and Meridian Lines?"
    So the Bellman would cry: and the crew would reply
         "They are merely conventional signs!

    "Other maps are such shapes, with their islands and capes!
         But we've got our brave Captain to thank:"
    (So the crew would protest) "that he's bought us the best—
         A perfect and absolute blank!"

Snarky POTW.

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Tony M Nyphot



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,16:59   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2014,05:15)
...I badly needed at least a few hours of sleep before being able to properly form sentences.

By this metric, you needed at least a few days months years of sleep while composing your "Theory(sic) of Intelligent Design", not to mention most anything you type and post

   
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2014,05:15)
...before fussing with it even more made it even worse!

And clearly, you never cease fussing with your precious piffle much the same way.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,17:04   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 24 2014,23:33)
Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 24 2014,11:29)
"Journal of Here"?

I don't know. It seems to me like I already have that. I can even keep my notes "Here".

Sorry, I seem to have had a typo in the original.

"Journal of, Here".

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,17:07   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2014,05:15)
Instead of having it posted here by midnight (so I could finally get some sleep) I was still working on it past 7 AM in the morning. And I also had to be at my dad's house at noontime for the Christmas Day celebration!

It is incredibly sad you spent Christmas Eve and Christmas Morning creating yet more useless, worthless and irrelevant drivel rather than embracing the holiday and family.

Pathetic really.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,20:06   

Quote (Tony M Nyphot @ Dec. 28 2014,17:07)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 26 2014,05:15)
Instead of having it posted here by midnight (so I could finally get some sleep) I was still working on it past 7 AM in the morning. And I also had to be at my dad's house at noontime for the Christmas Day celebration!

It is incredibly sad you spent Christmas Eve and Christmas Morning creating yet more useless, worthless and irrelevant drivel rather than embracing the holiday and family.

Pathetic really.

Christmas Eve was spent at a family gathering with the grandchildren opening toys and all that. It was rather late, by the time I even got started. And Christmas Day celebration was in the afternoon at my dad's house. I had time to catch enough rest to get me through the day just fine. I was just very busy during Santa's flight hours, here in the Eastern Standard Time zone.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,21:09   

Ion pumps are turning out to be easier than I expected to model.


Sceen.png

SodiumPotassiumPump.asc

I now add a voltage sensing control!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 28 2014,22:28   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 29 2014,05:09)
Ion pumps are turning out to be easier than I expected to model.


Sceen.png

SodiumPotassiumPump.asc

I now add a voltage sensing control!

Gary your disconnect with reality knows no end.

Before the advent of electronic computers navies around the world used mechanical computers to calculate the aiming (by modeling of balistics) for guns.

The fact that a mechanism be it electronic or mechanical can speed up calculations IS NOTHING NEW and to a large extent trivial.

How does your extremely basic electronic circuit prove the theory evolution is wrong?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 29 2014,04:15   

Quote (k.e.. @ Dec. 28 2014,08:57)
 
Quote (NoName @ Dec. 28 2014,15:13)
Indeed he does -- Gary is willfully blind to the entire realm of thermodynamics and thermodynamic effects.
Which is yet another 'single point of failure' in his efforts.

But something very strange has happened on the last couple of pages.  Gary's efforts have split again.  Now he's wibbling on about hardware emulations of biology.  Previously it was software "modeling".
As we might have expected, his hardware 'simulations' bear no resemblance to his software 'simulations'.  Neither is based on his "theory".  Worse, none of the three bear any resemblance to reality.
It's as if he were using a map of Narnia to get Frodo from the Shire to Casablanca.
Or as if he were desperately attempting to find some territory he could force-fit a map onto and then change the geological features of by modifying the map.

He had bought a large map representing the sea,
         Without the least vestige of land:
    And the crew were much pleased when they found it to be
         A map they could all understand.

    "What's the good of Mercator's North Poles and Equators,
         Tropics, Zones, and Meridian Lines?"
    So the Bellman would cry: and the crew would reply
         "They are merely conventional signs!

    "Other maps are such shapes, with their islands and capes!
         But we've got our brave Captain to thank:"
    (So the crew would protest) "that he's bought us the best—
         A perfect and absolute blank!"

Since Gaulin has already told us three times, thank FSM that Gaulin is not the Bellman…

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,23:01   

The next step has been completed! It was so easy that the rest that is needed for the neuron model is now (an almost all set to go) grand finale.

All of the voltage and current sources can easily be hardwired using opamps, FET, transistors, etc.. The problem with that is even the best electronic capacitors leak, while in biology charged ions move from place to place without matter being destroyed in the process by "circuit losses". Real ATP powered ion pumps have the electrical characteristics of the current and voltage sources used, not 2N2222 transistors and such. Charge simply moves from capacitor to capacitor, not circuit to circuit that sinks loads from a power supply to keep transistors and other devices at a given voltage. It is then possible to connect nearby neurons to neighbors by the capacitance between them. I expect that this forces to fire together, and wire together. But that's another experiment to come! we first need the model for one neuron.



https://sites.google.com/site.......ump.asc

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,23:05   

And in case you have trouble seeing the screen:
https://sites.google.com/site....een.png

I'm uploading everything to here:
https://sites.google.com/site....ircuits

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 30 2014,23:20   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Dec. 31 2014,07:01)
The next step has been completed! It was so easy that the rest that is needed for the neuron model is now (an almost all set to go) grand finale.

All of the voltage and current sources can easily be hardwired using opamps, FET, transistors, etc.. The problem with that is even the best electronic capacitors leak, while in biology charged ions move from place to place without matter being destroyed in the process by "circuit losses". Real ATP powered ion pumps have the electrical characteristics of the current and voltage sources used, not 2N2222 transistors and such. Charge simply moves from capacitor to capacitor, not circuit to circuit that sinks loads from a power supply to keep transistors and other devices at a given voltage. It is then possible to connect nearby neurons to neighbors by the capacitance between them. I expect that this forces to fire together, and wire together. But that's another experiment to come! we first need the model for one neuron.



https://sites.google.com/site.......ump.asc

Well Gary your understanding of electronic components is even worse than than your understanding of biology. Please explain how "matter is destroyed" in capacitors or transistors? It's not clear to what electronic component you're attributing said property to.

Precisely what matter is being destroyed and by which process is this destruction taking place?

Does the destruction of said "matter" obey Einstein's special theory of relativity e=mc^^2.

If it does where does the relesed energy go, if not do you have an alternative theory for the "destruction of matter"?

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