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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,16:36   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2008,11:18)
The day that music died:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-rogers

Please listen to the mp3. Imagine the creobots getting down to it at the Disco Institute Christmas disco. Don't have any fluid in your mouth / close to monitors, etc.


PS - Bob, your boyfriend's back.

Best part:
 
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I know there’s more to life
It’s evident despite
Go see the stars at night
There in plain sight

They just discovered a 'hip' and new way to say "Who cares about evidence?" and "Isn't it óbvious??". And I thought ID was dying, then this comes along, brilliant. And they still want to look like science, this isn't just shooting yourself in the foot, this is aiming a bazooka at your own head.

PS: I suggest that someone (*cough* Lou, Wesley *cough*) moves the LCD discussion to a seperate, dedicated thread. It's too good to put it on the BW ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,16:45   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2008,11:42)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 30 2008,11:30)
hey rich that is some nice guitar work on that!  You are really good.  I think your Strat sounds great (which one is it?).  thanks for sharing, that's one thing I love about ATBC is there are such talented musicians and songwriters as well as biollergist types.

let me know if you have any other recordings out there on the webz

If that shoite was me, I'd cut my fingers off and ram them up my ass in protest (which would be difficult, as I'd have no fingers). Mocketh Noteth 'the white Nile Rodgers'.

you are a black panther?

note that no one else has commented on this post.  must be too stupid even for UD.  i'm going to have to go listen to it again, what a great song.  roflmao

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,16:59   

It's the best song ever. The flat, monotonic delivery, the left footed, quirk meter - a bit like split enz, except horribly, horribly shit. Is there no part of culture ID can't fuck up?

If this was a P-A-R-O-D-Y, I'd be applauding and dothing my tard cap. But this isn't - run this through the EF..

Some nugget came up with it
Some nugget actually recorded it
They listened to it, and rather than auto-euthenising decided to share it.
Dembski listened to it and decided to share it

What long odds of clusterfuckery and assclownery are required that this, erm, 'song' can come to life on teh_interwebs?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,17:17   

rofl.

i'm not sure that a random assembly of tones, at random intervals, is not better than that which we have heard here forthwith.  also, buy my book.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,17:18   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2008,22:59)
What long odds of clusterfuckery and assclownery are required that this, erm, 'song' can come to life on teh_interwebs?

That's so improbable (10^-150) as to be impossbible. Therefore goddidit.

Meanwhile, D'ol is cultivating her link farm. I think she thinks she's made a point, I just can't decipher what it could be. Absolute word salad.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,17:37   

Quote (dnmlthr @ July 30 2008,18:18)
Meanwhile, D'ol is cultivating her link farm. I think she thinks she's made a point, I just can't decipher what it could be. Absolute word salad.

The most shocking part of that is where Denyse claims to have taken English courses.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,17:41   

On the eyespots of butterflies and moths thread.

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Eric Anderson: At present, it seems like we have just a bunch of stories about how creature A is camouflaged to avoid predators, and thus ensure survival, while creature B is not camouflaged to warn predators, and thus ensure survival. In either case, these are primarily stories, with so many exceptions on either end and such a tenuous link between the trait and the developmental adaptationist path that it strains credulity.

Actually, we have what's commonly called 'data'.

* Paper moths that are conspicuous are attacked less frequently.
* Many toxic organisms are conspicuous.
* Predators avoid toxicity by avoiding conspicuous prey.
* Consequently, being conspicuous is an evolutionary advantage for toxic prey.
* When there are predators in the environment, then it's an evolutionary advantage for non-toxic prey to be either camouflaged or to look like toxic prey.

Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the fear to attack. — Dr. Strangelove

It doesn't do much good for prey to be toxic unless it's easily identified by predators to act as a deterrent.


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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,17:41   

good lord.

get ready for duh stoopid.

One conclusion from this world salad:  Granville Sewell is now a scientist.

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These elaborate plant traps did not arise by Darwinian evolution, as taught in school, because it is implausible that - at every stage of their construction - they helped the plant survive and leave seeds. They could not likely have helped the plant in any way before they landed an insect.


could they have unlikely helped the plant?  i feel dirty.  Dennis you are truly out there dude.  You should shave an Inuit's ass backwards and teach it to walk like a dog.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,17:57   

Quote (stevestory @ July 30 2008,17:37)
Quote (dnmlthr @ July 30 2008,18:18)
Meanwhile, D'ol is cultivating her link farm. I think she thinks she's made a point, I just can't decipher what it could be. Absolute word salad.

The most shocking part of that is where Denyse claims to have taken English courses.

She didn't claim to have passed them..

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,18:15   

Quote (Zachriel @ July 30 2008,17:41)
On the eyespots of butterflies and moths thread.

 
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Eric Anderson: At present, it seems like we have just a bunch of stories about how creature A is camouflaged to avoid predators, and thus ensure survival, while creature B is not camouflaged to warn predators, and thus ensure survival. In either case, these are primarily stories, with so many exceptions on either end and such a tenuous link between the trait and the developmental adaptationist path that it strains credulity.

Actually, we have what's commonly called 'data'.

* Paper moths that are conspicuous are attacked less frequently.
* Many toxic organisms are conspicuous.
* Predators avoid toxicity by avoiding conspicuous prey.
* Consequently, being conspicuous is an evolutionary advantage for toxic prey.
* When there are predators in the environment, then it's an evolutionary advantage for non-toxic prey to be either camouflaged or to look like toxic prey.

Deterrence is the art of producing in the mind of the enemy... the fear to attack. — Dr. Strangelove

It doesn't do much good for prey to be toxic unless it's easily identified by predators to act as a deterrent.


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the... whole point of the doomsday machine... is lost... if you keep it a secret!  — Dr. Strangelove

Nice little personal anecdote about something similar.
A couple of years ago my grandparents got a pond, with a pretty collection of carp's or something like that, black and orange and mixed pretty equally divided. We also know that we've got great blue heron's over here who are notorious of emptying ponds (yet my grandparents have barely done anything to keep them away). Today I visited my grandma again, and I noticed that the color-frequency is drasticly different then when they started with the pond. There are barely any pure orange carps anymore, I only counted 1, maybe 3 mixed one's and the rest was pure black (wich were hard to count since I could barely see them). The ratio was, I think, 3 blacks for every none-black (including the baby fish) while at the beginning of the pond it was far more fifty-fifty.
Ofcourse it isn't rock-solid science, but it's really fun to watch things like that actually happen infront of your eyes.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,18:28   

Design-in-fur-ence?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,18:40   

Quote (dnmlthr @ July 30 2008,17:18)
D'ol is cultivating her link farm. I think she thinks she's made a point, I just can't decipher what it could be. Absolute word salad.


Just when you think the inept can't sink lower, Dense dons her diving gear to rake the bog floor.

Yeah, some lit-crit twits decided to exapt evo theory in pursuit of ...whatever...more publications, probably.

This riles Densey, who apparently recognizes the core of Post-Modernism in ID claiming "narrative equality" in different "ways of knowing."

IDiots frequently say they are merely "interpreting the data" from a different point of view...but that it's really just as valid and on a even footing with the evolutionary New Synthesis. Of course they *have* to resort to that PoMo kind of relativism -- given that they don't have a real science.

Bluster, smoke and mirrors, sure. Science? Nah.

So there goes Densey, off to tilt at lit-crit windmills that have absolutely nothing to do with biological evolution.

Her point? I'd say her point is the same as it's always been, and in the same place: hidden under her Sunday-go-to-meetin' bonnet.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,18:44   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ July 30 2008,18:41)
good lord.

get ready for duh stoopid.

One conclusion from this world salad:  Granville Sewell is now a scientist.

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These elaborate plant traps did not arise by Darwinian evolution, as taught in school, because it is implausible that - at every stage of their construction - they helped the plant survive and leave seeds. They could not likely have helped the plant in any way before they landed an insect.

So, Granville, you wouldn't find any plants that only had parts of the traps, huh?

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A protocarnivorous plant (sometimes also paracarnivorous, subcarnivorous, or borderline carnivore), according to some definitions, traps and kills insects or animals but lacks the ability to either directly digest or absorb nutrients from its prey like a carnivorous plant. The morphological adaptations such as sticky trichomes or pitfall traps of protocarnivorous plants parallel the trap structures of confirmed carnivorous plants.


Don't quit your day job, Granville.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocarnivorous_plant

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,18:50   

I love IDers. They're so DUMB.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,19:10   

I was thinking of doing a slam on the 'article'  that Granville Sewell keeps referencing (Lonnig, W-E. and .
Heinz-Albert Becker [2004] Nature Encyclopedia of Life Sciences ) But I've got other fish to fry at the moment.

What they want to 'disprove' their contention that this represents an "irreducible complex" system is the full evo pathway, I'm sure...which is being worked on but is not mentioned by that article.  

Here's another one for Granville the mathematician (he's not a 'scientist,' Densey). This goes with what stevestory mentioned above:

Müller, K., Borsch, T., Legendre, L., Porembski, S., Theisen, I., Barthlott, W. (2004) Evolution of carnivory in Lentibulariaceae and the Lamiales. Plant Biology, 2004 (Vol. 6) (No. 4) 477-490 http://epbb.club.fr/Publications/phylloLentib.pdf

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As a basis for analysing the evolution of the carnivorous syndrome in Lentibulariaceae (Lamiales), phylogenetic reconstructions were conducted based on coding and non-coding chloroplast DNA (matK gene and flanking trnK intron sequences, totalling about 2.4 kb).

A dense taxon sampling including all other major lineages of Lamiales was needed since the closest relatives of Lentibulariaceae and the position of "proto-carnivores" were unknown...

Lentibulariaceae and their three genera (Pinguicula, Genlisea, and Utricularia) are monophyletic, with Pinguicula being sister to a Genlisea-Utricularia clade. Likelihood and Bayesian trees converge on Bignoniaceae as sister to Lentibulariaceae, albeit lacking good support. The "proto-carnivores" (Byblidaceae, Martyniaceae) are found in different positions among other Lamiales but not as sister to the carnivorous Lentibulariaceae, which is also supported by Khishino-Hasegawa tests. This implies that carnivory and its preliminary stages ("proto-carnivores") independently evolved more than once among Lamiales... a hypothesis on the evolutionary pathway of the carnivorous syndrome in Lentibulariaceae is presented. Extreme DNA mutational rates found in Utricularia and Genlisea are shown to correspond to their unusual nutritional specialization, thereby hinting at a marked degree of carnivory in these two genera.


Then there's :

Laakkonen L, Jobson RW, Albert VA. A new model for the evolution of carnivory in the bladderwort plant (utricularia): adaptive changes in cytochrome C oxidase (COX) provide respiratory power. (2006) Plant Biol (Stuttg). Nov.8 (6):758-64
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Jobson RW, Nielsen R, Laakkonen L, Wikström M, Albert VA. (2004) Adaptive evolution of cytochrome c oxidase: Infrastructure for a carnivorous plant radiation. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A. 2004 Dec 28;101(52):18064-8.
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Much recent attention in the study of adaptation of organismal form has centered on developmental regulation. As such, the highly conserved respiratory machinery of eukaryotic cells might seem an unlikely target for selection supporting novel morphologies. We demonstrate that a dramatic molecular evolutionary rate increase in subunit I of cytochrome c oxidase (COX) from an active-trapping lineage of carnivorous plants is caused by positive Darwinian selection. Bladderworts (Utricularia) trap plankton when water-immersed, negatively pressured suction bladders are triggered. The resetting of traps involves active ion transport, requiring considerable energy expenditure. As judged from the quaternary structure of bovine COX, the most profound adaptive substitutions are two contiguous cysteines absent in ˜99.9% of databased COX I sequences from Eukaryota, Archaea, and Bacteria. This motif lies directly at the docking point of COX I helix 3 and cytochrome c, and modeling of bovine COX I suggests the possibility of an unprecedented helix-terminating disulfide bridge that could alter COX/cytochrome c dissociation kinetics. Thus, the key adaptation in Utricularia likely lies in molecular energetic changes that buttressed the mechanisms responsible for the bladderworts' radical morphological evolution. Along with evidence for COX evolution underlying expansion of the anthropoid neocortex, our findings underscore that important morphological and physiological innovations must often be accompanied by specific adaptations in proteins with basic cellular functions.


and a few others:

Degtjareva GV, Casper SJ, Hellwig FH, Schmidt AR, Steiger J, Sokoloff DD. Morphology and nrITS phylogeny of the genus Pinguicula L. (Lentibulariaceae), with special attention to embryo evolution. Plant Biol (Stuttg). 2006 Nov;8(6):778-90.


Reifenratha, Kerstin , Inge Theisena, Jan Schnitzlera, Stefan Porembskib and Wilhelm Barthlott (2006) Trap architecture in carnivorous Utricularia (Lentibulariaceae). Flora - Morphology, Distribution, Functional Ecology of Plants , 23 November 2006, Pages 597-605 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science....f49236e
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Morphological data support the basal position of subgenus Polypompholyx within the genus. Some characteristics of the traps of terrestrial Utricularia multifida (subgenus Polypompholyx) differ remarkably from traps of the other species, e.g. trap-door anatomy and trap walls. This might be an indication for a primordial (non-suction) trapping mechanism in the former species, similar to that of the eel-traps of the closely related genus Genlisea.


These suckers never learn.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,19:18   

erm, his day job is being a human calculator.

yet granny dumbfuck calls him a scientist.  In the same way that Leonard Nimoy was a scientist, because he played one on TV.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,21:16   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ July 30 2008,19:18)
erm, his day job is being a human calculator.

yet granny dumbfuck calls him a scientist.  In the same way that Leonard Nimoy was a scientist, because he played one on TV.

I'm sure there are other mathematicians out there who would like to pretend that they're scientists, too...

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,21:18   

Quote (stevestory @ July 30 2008,18:50)
I love IDers. They're so DUMB.

Dumb and proud of it.  That's what makes them so much fun to observe.  It's like they volunteer for a partial lobotomy and like showing off the results to their friends and family.  Tard worship (i.e. Dembski's cult) is especially fun to watch.

Creepy but great theatre!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,21:21   

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-293305

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3

F2XL

07/30/2008

8:52 pm
Holy crap, when I get the chance I should remix that and post it on ID and the arts.

Just saving up for a Kaoss pad first…



FFXL.... please!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,21:40   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2008,18:28)
Design-in-fur-ence?

Looks more like The Holy Trilobite to me.

I was at the movies tonight and they were playing previews on a flat panel tv in the lobby.  I didn't get the name or the stars, but apparently a movie is coming out soon where The Face of Jesus or The Virgin Mary appears on the side of a garage and hilarity ensues.  Can't wait.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,21:50   

Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2008,11:18)
The day that music died:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/evoluti....-rogers

Please listen to the mp3. Imagine the creobots getting down to it at the Disco Institute Christmas disco. Don't have any fluid in your mouth / close to monitors, etc.


PS - Bob, your boyfriend's back.

Bah!  Weak beer.  If you need a hit of of twenty year old single malt bottled in Tard-Quality Music, go to The Shaggs website and click on the orange tiger-fish or whatever it is at the top of the page.  Keep the volume low, keep your finger on the mute button and maybe fill a trusted friend's ears with beeswax and station them beside the power cord with an axe.  And for dog's sake, don't wear headphones.    The Shaggs are to music as ID is to science, except they mean well.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,21:52   

Quote (stevestory @ July 30 2008,18:44)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,July 30 2008,18:41)
good lord.

get ready for duh stoopid.

One conclusion from this world salad:  Granville Sewell is now a scientist.

 
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These elaborate plant traps did not arise by Darwinian evolution, as taught in school, because it is implausible that - at every stage of their construction - they helped the plant survive and leave seeds. They could not likely have helped the plant in any way before they landed an insect.

So, Granville, you wouldn't find any plants that only had parts of the traps, huh?

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A protocarnivorous plant (sometimes also paracarnivorous, subcarnivorous, or borderline carnivore), according to some definitions, traps and kills insects or animals but lacks the ability to either directly digest or absorb nutrients from its prey like a carnivorous plant. The morphological adaptations such as sticky trichomes or pitfall traps of protocarnivorous plants parallel the trap structures of confirmed carnivorous plants.


Don't quit your day job, Granville.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protocarnivorous_plant

Evidently Granville couldn't find out about protocarnivorous organisms because they have been overlooked at conservapedia.

I find it amusing there is only an English version of conservapedia.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,21:59   

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Quote (bfish @ July 18 2008,02:58)
And can we get a show of hands....... how many people have read damn near every word of part I of the Official Uncommonly Dense Discussion Thread? I would be one. I'm sure I haven't missed more than 20 or 30 pages - and possibly none. Rather daunting, really, in retrospect.

*Raises hand

I don't comment frequently, but I was watching from the start.

And I also agree with earlier comments that just when you think UD can't keep up the level of tard - it does!

(Comment mostly added just to get onto the 1st page of this thread)

i'm a daily lurker and have been for years.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,22:16   

and here I thought most of the lurkers were ViaggraCheapHotHornyXXX and other such stuff.

why isn't there a delurk thread.  i'd love to hear more.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,22:37   

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It's the best song ever. The flat, monotonic delivery, the left footed, quirk meter - a bit like split enz, except horribly, horribly shit. Is there no part of culture ID can't fuck up?

If this was a P-A-R-O-D-Y, I'd be applauding and dothing my tard cap. But this isn't - run this through the EF..

Some nugget came up with it
Some nugget actually recorded it
They listened to it, and rather than auto-euthenising decided to share it.
Dembski listened to it and decided to share it

What long odds of clusterfuckery and assclownery are required that this, erm, 'song' can come to life on teh_interwebs?

Surely this is all part of ID inspiring the arts, that they were banging on about a year or so ago?

If so, things could get very ugly.
This could be the shot in the arm* that christian rock is looking for?


* or should that be nail in the cross?

   
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,22:43   

Quote (nuytsia @ July 30 2008,22:37)
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2008,08:59)
It's the best song ever. The flat, monotonic delivery, the left footed, quirk meter - a bit like split enz, except horribly, horribly shit. Is there no part of culture ID can't fuck up?

If this was a P-A-R-O-D-Y, I'd be applauding and dothing my tard cap. But this isn't - run this through the EF..

Some nugget came up with it
Some nugget actually recorded it
They listened to it, and rather than auto-euthenising decided to share it.
Dembski listened to it and decided to share it

What long odds of clusterfuckery and assclownery are required that this, erm, 'song' can come to life on teh_interwebs?

Surely this is all part of ID inspiring the arts, that they were banging on about a year or so ago?

If so, things could get very ugly.
This could be the shot in the arm* that christian rock is looking for?


* or should that be nail in the cross?

They did an "overwhelming evidence" song a while back ago.. if only the biologic labs were as productive!

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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,22:52   

Quote (nuytsia @ July 30 2008,22:37)
Quote (Richardthughes @ July 30 2008,08:59)
It's the best song ever. The flat, monotonic delivery, the left footed, quirk meter - a bit like split enz, except horribly, horribly shit. Is there no part of culture ID can't fuck up?

If this was a P-A-R-O-D-Y, I'd be applauding and dothing my tard cap. But this isn't - run this through the EF..

Some nugget came up with it
Some nugget actually recorded it
They listened to it, and rather than auto-euthenising decided to share it.
Dembski listened to it and decided to share it

What long odds of clusterfuckery and assclownery are required that this, erm, 'song' can come to life on teh_interwebs?

Surely this is all part of ID inspiring the arts, that they were banging on about a year or so ago?

If so, things could get very ugly.
This could be the shot in the arm* that christian rock is looking for?


* or should that be nail in the cross?

HAR HAR THIS IS YOO




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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,22:52   

gpuccio at the A Simple Gene Origination Calculation thread sees intelligence all over the place:    
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Regarding the immune system, the scenario is completely different. Primary antibody diversification is a process which uses random variation very intelligently targeted to generate a repertoire of basic antibody specificities to cover, at a low specificity level, a search space which is very big, but not immense, referring to possible epitopes in nature (an epitope is a very small aminoacid sequence, usually a few aminoacids, or up to ten -fifteen). Even so, the basic repertoire is very unspecific, and can ensure only a low level interaction with possible epitopes. Antibody maturation “after” primary response, instead, is a typical process which utilizes random variation very intelligently targeted plus very intelligent selection to increase the specificity of the immune response. Indeed, the process utilized here is the same as used in modern protein engineering: the results of targeted random variation are “measured” against the original epitope, and intelligent selection takes place (obviously, here selection includes very specific informatioon about the target, that is the epitope itself, and is therefore very efficient).

So, as you can see, there is nothing in what we know about antibody generation which is inconsistent with my “assumptions”. Antibody generation is a perfect example of intelligent engineering using the realistic resources of probability. It is therefore perfectly natural and reasonable that the immune system of birds or mammals can “produce antibodies against antigens that they or their ancestors never encountered before”.


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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,22:52   

i think he means 'tardeted'

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the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 30 2008,23:04   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ July 30 2008,22:16)
and here I thought most of the lurkers were ViaggraCheapHotHornyXXX and other such stuff.

why isn't there a delurk thread.  i'd love to hear more.

I think I tried that before.

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