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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,20:06   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 23 2011,19:00)
It had to happen.  Joetard Gallien is now chasing Lizzie around several threads, haranguing her with his usual idiocy "no one has shown random accidents can create complexity, blah blah blah".

She's been polite to him so far, but it's the politeness of a true lady who won't crinkle her nose even though the fat bloke sitting next to her in the theater just ripped a huge sinus killing fart.

i know it's one of the most mind dumbingly brain numbingly word molesting arguments ever contrived, and as such worthy of ridicule only, but sometimes I wonder what would happen if someone with an infinite amount of empathy, sympathy and patience would walk that dribbling idiot through a discussion about why, exactly, "genetic accidents" is such a stupid thing

for fucks sake "genetic accident"?  ACCIDENT?  creationists simply refuse to accept the universe on it's own terms.

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
paragwinn



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,20:40   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 23 2011,04:15)
"I have a Master's Degree...in Science!"

Oh, that reminds me, I better keep those electrical outlets covered so that the electricity doesn't leak out.

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F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11
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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,20:41   

Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 23 2011,15:22)
5.  ???????????????????????


6.  WATERLOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!11!!!!1


6. Profit! (Buy My breathtakingly inane book!)

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 23 2011,21:15   

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Hey, I'll pay for an edit button.  Lou?  What will it cost me.

Hmmm... Let me think a moment.

Nope.

Not for sale.

Lou you took at least one full second to consider that. Tut tut. You're getting slow in your old age!

;-)

Louis

Classes start tomorrow and I was a little distracted.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,05:16   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 24 2011,03:15)
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Hey, I'll pay for an edit button.  Lou?  What will it cost me.

Hmmm... Let me think a moment.

Nope.

Not for sale.

Lou you took at least one full second to consider that. Tut tut. You're getting slow in your old age!

;-)

Louis

Classes start tomorrow and I was a little distracted.

Ahhhh I see. How's all this biomologicalising going?

Louis

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OgreMkV



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,07:44   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Aug. 23 2011,20:06)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 23 2011,19:00)
It had to happen.  Joetard Gallien is now chasing Lizzie around several threads, haranguing her with his usual idiocy "no one has shown random accidents can create complexity, blah blah blah".

She's been polite to him so far, but it's the politeness of a true lady who won't crinkle her nose even though the fat bloke sitting next to her in the theater just ripped a huge sinus killing fart.

i know it's one of the most mind dumbingly brain numbingly word molesting arguments ever contrived, and as such worthy of ridicule only, but sometimes I wonder what would happen if someone with an infinite amount of empathy, sympathy and patience would walk that dribbling idiot through a discussion about why, exactly, "genetic accidents" is such a stupid thing

for fucks sake "genetic accident"?  ACCIDENT?  creationists simply refuse to accept the universe on it's own terms.

It's been done.  Time after time after time.

Heck Joe still refuses to use the correct definition of evolution when arguing with us.  Oh he knows the correct definition, he just refuses to use it, claiming that we don't even use the correct definition.

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,08:04   

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4.2.1.1.3
EDTA
August 23, 2011 at 8:30 pm


     
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Speciation isn’t an ambiguous concept though. It’s pretty clear.


It seems that to discuss speciation, one would have to have a solid definition of “species”. Is the concept more clear than the Wikipedia article (on “species”) makes it sound when it says, “Over two dozen distinct definitions of ‘species’ are in use amongst biologists.”?

It's funny how they never get that it is so difficult to establish a general definition of species because of, you know, speciation is going on. If there were only clearly distinct groups of organisms, it'd be easy to find a defintion for species. It is all the groups of organisms that are clearly related but show some slight differences, i.e. those species possibly at the beginning of a new branch, that are so hard to categorise.
It's exactly for the same reasons that after a century or so, creationists still haven't managed to come up with the "kinds" that were supposedly created seperately. As soon as you declare a seperating line that Can Not Be Crossed, you'll find a species that does exactly that.
And with e.g. bacteria it doesn't make much sense to talk about species at all.

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,08:24   

Elizabeth violated a cardinal rule when arguing with creationists.

She said speciation is not an ambiguous concept. That gives them an opportunity to ask why species are ambiguous.

It's a bit like saying the concept of a spectrum is unambiguous, and being asked to point to the place where green ends and yellow ends.

When you use the word speciation, you need to point out that the concept itself includes the reason why species are hard to define.

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,08:49   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 24 2011,16:24)
Elizabeth violated a cardinal rule when arguing with creationists.

She said speciation is not an ambiguous concept. That gives them an opportunity to ask why species are ambiguous.

It's a bit like saying the concept of a spectrum is unambiguous, and being asked to point to the place where green ends and yellow ends.

When you use the word speciation, you need to point out that the concept itself includes the reason why species are hard to define.

HAH!

NO ONE EXPECTS TEH SPANISH INQUISITION!

WE HAVE 3 THINGS ON OUR SIDE

FEAR SUPRISE AND AN ALMOST FANATICAL DEVOTION TO THE POPE.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,11:17   

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Hey, I'll pay for an edit button.  Lou?  What will it cost me.

Hmmm... Let me think a moment.

Nope.

Not for sale.

Lou you took at least one full second to consider that. Tut tut. You're getting slow in your old age!

;-)

Louis

Classes start tomorrow and I was a little distracted.

Ahhhh I see. How's all this biomologicalising going?

Louis

I'm doing well, having fun, learning biomological stuff.

This semester I've got the first halves of Physics and OChem, Evolutionary Biology, a senior seminar on Evolution and Global Climate Change (can you hear the howls of protest from the UDidiots over *that* one?), and of course my research project filed under "Directed Independent Study".

OChem looks way more fun than General Chem, and OChem was the class about which I have been most concerned. So that's good news.

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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,11:38   

ScottAndrews
 
Quote
Elizabeth:

     
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What would throw Darwinian theory into doubt would be a serious breakdown of nested phylogenies, in particular, the appearance of “solutions” from one lineage apparently transplanted into another.


Like wings on birds, bats, and insects? Like reptiles and octopi that change colors? Like echolocation in bats and dolphins? Like mammals shaped like fish? Like mammalian lungs and countless other features that apparently must have arisen more than once?

My bold.
I don't know how to even start.

If you can't see why the wings of bats, birds, and insects do not represent the same "solution" to the "problem" flight and do not threaten nested phylogenies then you aren't qualified to talk about evolution, much less criticise it.
The rest of his examples are as bad. Mammals shaped like fish, good grief. He forgot to mention that rabbits, frogs, and kangoroos all jump. There, evolutionary theory refuted.

The real problem is that Scotty here probably thinks he knows more than enough about evolution to poke holes in the theory.

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"Random mutations, if they are truly random, will affect, and potentially damage, any aspect of the organism, [...]
Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,12:21   

Oh come on we know all wings are homologous because we call them all WINGS.

EXPLAIN THAT, DARWINITS

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,12:25   

Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 24 2011,08:44)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Aug. 23 2011,20:06)
Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 23 2011,19:00)
It had to happen.  Joetard Gallien is now chasing Lizzie around several threads, haranguing her with his usual idiocy "no one has shown random accidents can create complexity, blah blah blah".

She's been polite to him so far, but it's the politeness of a true lady who won't crinkle her nose even though the fat bloke sitting next to her in the theater just ripped a huge sinus killing fart.

i know it's one of the most mind dumbingly brain numbingly word molesting arguments ever contrived, and as such worthy of ridicule only, but sometimes I wonder what would happen if someone with an infinite amount of empathy, sympathy and patience would walk that dribbling idiot through a discussion about why, exactly, "genetic accidents" is such a stupid thing

for fucks sake "genetic accident"?  ACCIDENT?  creationists simply refuse to accept the universe on it's own terms.

It's been done.  Time after time after time.

Heck Joe still refuses to use the correct definition of evolution when arguing with us.  Oh he knows the correct definition, he just refuses to use it, claiming that we don't even use the correct definition.

i don't think so.  what i am getting at is not a scenario where he has the freedom to resist.  

i would like to waterboard joe until he understands this point

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,12:27   

Quote (JLT @ Aug. 24 2011,11:38)
ScottAndrews
   
Quote
Elizabeth:

       
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What would throw Darwinian theory into doubt would be a serious breakdown of nested phylogenies, in particular, the appearance of “solutions” from one lineage apparently transplanted into another.


Like wings on birds, bats, and insects? Like reptiles and octopi that change colors? Like echolocation in bats and dolphins? Like mammals shaped like fish? Like mammalian lungs and countless other features that apparently must have arisen more than once?

My bold.
I don't know how to even start.

How about

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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
noncarborundum



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,12:31   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Aug. 24 2011,12:27)
 
Quote (JLT @ Aug. 24 2011,11:38)
ScottAndrews
       
Quote
Elizabeth:

           
Quote
What would throw Darwinian theory into doubt would be a serious breakdown of nested phylogenies, in particular, the appearance of “solutions” from one lineage apparently transplanted into another.


Like wings on birds, bats, and insects? Like reptiles and octopi that change colors? Like echolocation in bats and dolphins? Like mammals shaped like fish? Like mammalian lungs and countless other features that apparently must have arisen more than once?

My bold.
I don't know how to even start.

How about

BTW, mammalian lungs arose more than once?  I guess I haven't been keeping up with the latest research findings.

P.S.  I've been a good boy.  What does a guy have to do to get an edit button around here?

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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,13:06   

Quote (noncarborundum @ Aug. 24 2011,12:31)
Quote (noncarborundum @ Aug. 24 2011,12:27)
 
Quote (JLT @ Aug. 24 2011,11:38)
ScottAndrews
       
Quote
Elizabeth:

           
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What would throw Darwinian theory into doubt would be a serious breakdown of nested phylogenies, in particular, the appearance of “solutions” from one lineage apparently transplanted into another.


Like wings on birds, bats, and insects? Like reptiles and octopi that change colors? Like echolocation in bats and dolphins? Like mammals shaped like fish? Like mammalian lungs and countless other features that apparently must have arisen more than once?

My bold.
I don't know how to even start.

How about

BTW, mammalian lungs arose more than once?  I guess I haven't been keeping up with the latest research findings.

P.S.  I've been a good boy.  What does a guy have to do to get an edit button around here?

I've seen many pray for one. However, for me it came out of nothing. Maybe somebody just got sick of my spelling skills.

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- William Dembski -

   
J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,13:29   

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What does a guy have to do to get an edit button around here?


Step #1 - Do NOT be named FTK.

You've made a good start! :)

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,14:07   

You guys are sooo mean, why not just tell him!

You definitely don't have to pray for one (although I agree with J-Dog).

You just have to send me 100 $. After that, you can ask Lou FCD for an edit button and you'll likely get one.





Edited to add the obligatory "Edited because I can"

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,14:23   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 24 2011,17:17)
[SNIP]

OChem looks way more fun than General Chem, and OChem was the class about which I have been most concerned. So that's good news.

Good to hear all is well. Organic chemistry IS more fun that general chemistry.

No I'm not biased as all hell. Why do you ask? ;-)

If you ever want organic chem related chats/advice you know where I am. Just remember 99%* of organic chemistry students hate it, don't get it and despair at the sheer volume of crap they are asked to apparently memorise when they first encounter it. It gets better. Usually a few years in, after beating your head against a wall repeatedly and several messy suicide attempts, a magical light pops on in your head and you get it.**

Of course if you do what the vast majority of organic chemistry students don't do, you'll get it in about 3 weeks and can then relax in a bar. The secret is to grasp about 5 or 6 basic principles and forget about memorising huge swathes of shite. The problem is working out which 5 or 6 principles! ;-)

Of course, for a reasonable fee, I can be relied upon to {ahem} illuminate you. In fact seeing as you are a friend, I'll do it for nothing, plus modest expenses of course.***

Louis

* I may be underselling the precise percentage a little.

** I may be making it sound easier than it is.

*** I find my best and most accurate thinking is done on my own private, luxury, tropical island resort surrounded by a bevvy of willing, morally adventurous and nubile young ladies.****

**** When I say "find" what I actually mean is "suppose" and/or "fervently wish".

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Louis



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,14:25   

Quote (JLT @ Aug. 24 2011,20:07)
You guys are sooo mean, why not just tell him!

You definitely don't have to pray for one (although I agree with J-Dog).

You just have to send me 100 $. After that, you can ask Lou FCD for an edit button and you'll likely get one.





Edited to add the obligatory "Edited because I can"

Don't believe her. You have to send ME $200. I am after all named Louis, which is remarkably like Lou, and all moneys will be spent wisely.*

Louis

* Mostly on narcotics, booze, fast women, loose cars and general debauchery. The rest I'll waste.

Edited to add: 1) Because I can, 2) I understand Lou to be open to sexual favours. Unfortunately, it's stuff that would give even Rich nightmares. I mean really filthy stuff. Like holding hands, possibly even kissing. You may have to be in the same room.....unchaperoned. It's too horrible to contemplate.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,14:32   

Just as long as it doesn't lead to dancing.

  
Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,14:33   

Quote (Louis @ Aug. 24 2011,20:23)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 24 2011,17:17)
[SNIP]

OChem looks way more fun than General Chem, and OChem was the class about which I have been most concerned. So that's good news.

Good to hear all is well. Organic chemistry IS more fun that general chemistry.

No I'm not biased as all hell. Why do you ask? ;-)

If you ever want organic chem related chats/advice you know where I am. Just remember 99%* of organic chemistry students hate it, don't get it and despair at the sheer volume of crap they are asked to apparently memorise when they first encounter it. It gets better. Usually a few years in, after beating your head against a wall repeatedly and several messy suicide attempts, a magical light pops on in your head and you get it.**

Of course if you do what the vast majority of organic chemistry students don't do, you'll get it in about 3 weeks and can then relax in a bar. The secret is to grasp about 5 or 6 basic principles and forget about memorising huge swathes of shite. The problem is working out which 5 or 6 principles! ;-)

Of course, for a reasonable fee, I can be relied upon to {ahem} illuminate you. In fact seeing as you are a friend, I'll do it for nothing, plus modest expenses of course.***

Louis

* I may be underselling the precise percentage a little.

** I may be making it sound easier than it is.

*** I find my best and most accurate thinking is done on my own private, luxury, tropical island resort surrounded by a bevvy of willing, morally adventurous and nubile young ladies.****

**** When I say "find" what I actually mean is "suppose" and/or "fervently wish".

My mother was an organic chemist.

She told me that the inorganic lot used to look down their noses at her and her classmates, saying that they were doing 'Mrs Beeton in a test tube'.

Her choice was vindicated later in California (this would have been the early 1950s) when her team worked out a way of getting the taste of can out of canned pineapple juice. It was a commercial disaster because the public, in their infinite wisdom, had come to the conclusion that pineapple juice ought to taste of can.

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JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,15:51   

Anybody still wanna say that evolution only deals in loss of information?

Scientists Solve Lager Beer Mystery

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,16:08   

I am reminded - sadly - that UD does not exist simply for entertainment purposes. ScottAndrews:
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By that argument absolutely anything is possible. A monkey can type Shakespeare because the exact configuration of blades of grass on the earth is highly improbable, and yet there it is.

I can throw a lump of dirt at a wall, and the exact configuration of sand and rocks will be highly improbable. So is it reasonable to expect that it might turn into a life form? After all, both are improbable.

Tonight I’m going to teach my five year old how to see through that reasoning.
(My bold)
IDC - passing ignorance down generations.

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We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.”
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,16:15   

Quote (Ptaylor @ Aug. 24 2011,16:08)
I am reminded - sadly - that UD does not exist simply for entertainment purposes. ScottAndrews:  
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By that argument absolutely anything is possible. A monkey can type Shakespeare because the exact configuration of blades of grass on the earth is highly improbable, and yet there it is.

I can throw a lump of dirt at a wall, and the exact configuration of sand and rocks will be highly improbable. So is it reasonable to expect that it might turn into a life form? After all, both are improbable.

Tonight I’m going to teach my five year old how to see through that reasoning.
(My bold)
IDC - passing ignorance down generations.



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"The . . . um . . . okay, I was genetically selected for blue eyes.  I know there are brown eyes, because I've observed them, but I can't do it.  Okay?  So . . . um . . . coz that's real genetic selection, not the nonsense Giberson and the others are talking about." - DO'L

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,17:35   

poe

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,17:38   

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markf August 24, 2011 at 10:40 am
This particular “Brit Toff” is Australian and went to Sydney Boys High School – hardly Eton.

Reply
1.1
News August 24, 2011 at 10:56 am
For an Aussie, it’s unusually dumb.


For News it isn't.

Link

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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,17:54   

Quote (paragwinn @ Aug. 23 2011,21:40)
Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 23 2011,04:15)
"I have a Master's Degree...in Science!"

Oh, that reminds me, I better keep those electrical outlets covered so that the electricity doesn't leak out.

My EX-MIL actually believed that.

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That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 24 2011,17:54   

Quote (Amadan @ Aug. 24 2011,20:33)
Quote (Louis @ Aug. 24 2011,20:23)
 
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 24 2011,17:17)
[SNIP]

OChem looks way more fun than General Chem, and OChem was the class about which I have been most concerned. So that's good news.

Good to hear all is well. Organic chemistry IS more fun that general chemistry.

No I'm not biased as all hell. Why do you ask? ;-)

If you ever want organic chem related chats/advice you know where I am. Just remember 99%* of organic chemistry students hate it, don't get it and despair at the sheer volume of crap they are asked to apparently memorise when they first encounter it. It gets better. Usually a few years in, after beating your head against a wall repeatedly and several messy suicide attempts, a magical light pops on in your head and you get it.**

Of course if you do what the vast majority of organic chemistry students don't do, you'll get it in about 3 weeks and can then relax in a bar. The secret is to grasp about 5 or 6 basic principles and forget about memorising huge swathes of shite. The problem is working out which 5 or 6 principles! ;-)

Of course, for a reasonable fee, I can be relied upon to {ahem} illuminate you. In fact seeing as you are a friend, I'll do it for nothing, plus modest expenses of course.***

Louis

* I may be underselling the precise percentage a little.

** I may be making it sound easier than it is.

*** I find my best and most accurate thinking is done on my own private, luxury, tropical island resort surrounded by a bevvy of willing, morally adventurous and nubile young ladies.****

**** When I say "find" what I actually mean is "suppose" and/or "fervently wish".

My mother was an organic chemist.

She told me that the inorganic lot used to look down their noses at her and her classmates, saying that they were doing 'Mrs Beeton in a test tube'.

Her choice was vindicated later in California (this would have been the early 1950s) when her team worked out a way of getting the taste of can out of canned pineapple juice. It was a commercial disaster because the public, in their infinite wisdom, had come to the conclusion that pineapple juice ought to taste of can.

I can play the organ. Does that count?

I would like to note that Lou is a great inspiration for me. I'm right now thinking about getting my (french equivalent of) GED and get my studies started again. In zetetic, that is. Could come in handy...

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Quote (Louis @ Aug. 24 2011,14:23)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 24 2011,17:17)
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OChem looks way more fun than General Chem, and OChem was the class about which I have been most concerned. So that's good news.

Good to hear all is well. Organic chemistry IS more fun that general chemistry.

No I'm not biased as all hell. Why do you ask? ;-)

If you ever want organic chem related chats/advice you know where I am. Just remember 99%* of organic chemistry students hate it, don't get it and despair at the sheer volume of crap they are asked to apparently memorise when they first encounter it. It gets better. Usually a few years in, after beating your head against a wall repeatedly and several messy suicide attempts, a magical light pops on in your head and you get it.**

Of course if you do what the vast majority of organic chemistry students don't do, you'll get it in about 3 weeks and can then relax in a bar. The secret is to grasp about 5 or 6 basic principles and forget about memorising huge swathes of shite. The problem is working out which 5 or 6 principles! ;-)

Of course, for a reasonable fee, I can be relied upon to {ahem} illuminate you. In fact seeing as you are a friend, I'll do it for nothing, plus modest expenses of course.***

Louis

* I may be underselling the precise percentage a little.

** I may be making it sound easier than it is.

*** I find my best and most accurate thinking is done on my own private, luxury, tropical island resort surrounded by a bevvy of willing, morally adventurous and nubile young ladies.****

**** When I say "find" what I actually mean is "suppose" and/or "fervently wish".

As one of those inorganic types who did not care for most of organic I can say that the problem in many cases is that organic professors don't take Louis' advice.  They were taught organic as a series of memorizations with no underlying theory, and they will teach it the same way, pedagogy be damned.  

That said, the little organic spectroscopy course I took was great.  It saved me considerable angst during the lab final as I ran the spectra first (most everyone else did it last) and then ran just the qualitative tests I needed to use to confirm my interpretation of those.

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