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60 HeKS November 22, 2014 at 10:52 pm
KF,
Was it really necessary to end the other thread on account of Adapa’s nonsense?
I wasn’t done.
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Hey HeKS, there was nothing nonsensical in what Adapa said. What he said is the truth. Here it is, with gordo's defacing removed, preserved in case of more manipulation or deletion by gordon elliott mullings (kairosfocus) at UD:
620 Adapa November 22, 2014 at 9:01 pm
Me_Think
I don’t know why IDer are afraid to go beyond ‘ID just detects design and does nothing else’ stance.
(Adapa): I do. ID was formulated solely to circumvent the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment Establish Clause which effectively bans the teaching of any one religion’s origin stories over others. Christian lobbyists like the Discovery Institute came up with the idea that if they stopped referring to their God the Creator and rebranded Him the “Intelligent Designer” they could sneak God back into science classrooms. Of course the whole ruse was exposed at Kitzmiller v. Dover. Many ID leaders like Dembski have dropped the pretenses and gone back to talking about God the Creator. Not all of the ID foot-soldiers got the memo though.
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And this version (with original bolding by gordo) shows gordo's nonsensical, willfully dishonest, manipulative, deeply flawed, often corrected but very convenient to spread as well-poisoning, accusatory motive mongering, gross errors of fact, loud speaker in the ceiling Conspiracy theorism bullshit that is fueled by his psychopathic delusions of Godhood:
620 Adapa November 22, 2014 at 9:01 pm
Me_Think
I don’t know why IDer are afraid to go beyond ‘ID just detects design and does nothing else’ stance.
I do. ID was formulated solely to circumvent the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment Establish Clause which effectively bans the teaching of any one religion’s origin stories over others. [--> False, get your timelines right. The first ID work, on the cosmos side developed from the 50's on, and the first technical work on the world of life by Thaxton et al dates to the cearly 1980's, with the book coming out in 1984.] Christian lobbyists like the Discovery Institute [--> Key leadership of DI such as Klinghoffer are in fact not Christian] came up with the idea that if they stopped referring to their God the Creator and rebranded Him the “Intelligent Designer” they could sneak God back into science classrooms. [--> Accusatory motive mongering and wrong on timeline cf as already pointed out] Of course the whole ruse was exposed at Kitzmiller v. Dover. [--> A deeply flawed case that had the anti ID aspects copied wholesale from post trial submissions of NCSE/ACLU, gross errors of fact, timeline and motive and all, often corrected but very convenient to spread as well-poisoning] Many ID leaders like Dembski have dropped the pretenses and gone back to talking about God the Creator [--> Dembski, who holds Doctorates in Math and Phil, also holds a Masters in Theology, has never repudiated being a theist, but holds that the design inference proper, as an empirical inductive exercise is distinct from a theistic worldview] . Not all of the ID foot-soldiers got the memo though [--> Conspiracy theorism. KF].
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