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| Quote (FloydLee @ Sep. 18 2009,08:36) | | Quote | "No. No sir. These kinds of public pronouncements are found only within--and are inherently part of-- EVOLUTION. Evolution is incompatible with Christianity."
This is contradicted by the vast history of science. You don't think that this argument ever came up in physics and astronomy, as the earth being the privileged, center of the universe created 6000 years ago? |
So far I haven't said anything about the age of the universe or of the earth. In fact, ALL of the Big Four Incompatibilities are actually independent of the age of the earth, as you've probably noticed.
So, can you show me exactly how what I said is "contradicted by the vast history of science"?
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You made the claim that physics or astronomy didn't make such pronouncements. My claim was that it HAS before, that heliocentrism WAS incompatible with Christianity (see Galelei, Galileo). I guess you don't see heresy as being incompatible with Christianity.
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Remember Ecclesiastes 1:5?
The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.
The story of Joshua?
Psalm 104: 5?
[God] (w)ho laid the foundations of the Earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
Isaiah 66:1?
Thus saith the Lord: Heaven is my throne, and the earth my footstool.
I Chronicles 16:30?
Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
Psalm 96:10?
the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved.
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Save it, Augustine had this wrapped up in the 4th century:
| Quote | Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. (1 Timothy 1.7)
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