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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,07:48   

BTW Lou, if you want to master the elements of the periodic table, I highly recommend a mnemonic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,08:57   

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Leave us hanging!! I wants to know the answer  :angry:

You left out disembodied telic entity pushing the termites around using wormholes in the space time continum.

Which is the correct answer no matter what your mere evidence shows. Teach the controversy !1!!one!!

I think the zero energy photons have more to do with it than the wormholes.  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,09:11   

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Now stop trying to screw up my head with your materialist trans-Argon nonsense!


Name a non-materialistic element! :p

Henry

Narativium? Terry Pratchett's element of fiction.

Randomium? An element very useful for "explaining" why some reaction has or hasn't worked.

Crossfingersandhopelikehellium? An element in the same group as Randomium. Principle component of dusty crap that desperate students leave/place in flasks of reactions that repeatedly fail in the vain hope that some hitherto unheard of catalytic effect occurs. Not to be confused with molecular sieves or solid state catalysis.

Technecium? Well, it was made (up).

Louis

Tardium-The most essential element for the synthesis of tard in creationist brains.  The most common source of tardium is family bibles.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,09:32   

i can haz kwiz 2day.

I think I got them all, but I have a question about it regarding the Lewis Dot Diagram of a double covalent bond between N and H on the end of a molecule.

Wouldn't that put four e- in the H's valence shell? (There was a similar situation where an H was single bonded between two C atoms.)

I'll diagram it if that's not clear.



Edited to add image. We were given a molecule something like the first structural diagram, and required to draw the Lewis Dot Diagram.

Wouldn't this suggest too many e- in the valence shell of the circled Hydrogen?  (4)

Edited again to fix an unrelated issue with the diagram.

Edited by Lou FCD on Sep. 03 2008,11:03

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,10:03   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 03 2008,15:32)
i can haz kwiz 2day.

I think I got them all, but I have a question about it regarding the Lewis Dot Diagram of a double covalent bond between N and H on the end of a molecule.

Wouldn't that put four e- in the H's valence shell? (There was a similar situation where an H was single bonded between two C atoms.)

I'll diagram it if that's not clear.



Edited to add image. We were given a molecule something like the first structural diagram, and required to draw the Lewis Dot Diagram.

Wouldn't this suggest too many e- in the valence shell of the circled Hydrogen?  (4)

Something is very askew with that diagram.

If you consider that diagram to be an H bond between two molecules, it seems to be an interaction between a carbene derived from ethane and formaldehyde under basic conditions. My guess is something else is going on!

You've mentioned a nitrogen in the molecule, redraw that interaction, 'cos there ain't no N in there!

My guess is you have the diagram wrong.

The C-H single bond is sufficiently polar (you've mentioned electronegativity already) to be coordinated by a metal, iron complexes with pentane spring to mind, but my guess is that at the level of chem you are doing this is way off topic.  I'm guessing they haven't introduced you to carbenes and deprotonated formaldehyde yet! (And they don't interact like then when they do!)

So your instinct is right, 4 electrons around an H atom indicates a big no no. (Standard caveats about obscure excited states apply, none of which are relevant to basic theories of bonding).

The 4 valent hydrogen means check your diagrams, 'cos they ain't the accurate banana.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,10:10   

ah give me a few. I forgot they were straight out of the book. I have them in front of me and I'll give you the exact problem.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,10:26   

Ok, here's the actual question and what I did with it, which doesn't seem right, but given that the bonds are supposed to represent pairs of e-, I don't what what else I could have done with it.



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,10:40   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 03 2008,10:26)
Ok, here's the actual question and what I did with it, which doesn't seem right, but given that the bonds are supposed to represent pairs of e-, I don't what what else I could have done with it.


Well, I'm no chemist (nor do I play one on TV), but any diagram that has a hydrogen making two bonds with two different carbons is not depicting a real molecule...

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,10:40   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 03 2008,11:26)
Ok, here's the actual question and what I did with it, which doesn't seem right, but given that the bonds are supposed to represent pairs of e-, I don't what what else I could have done with it.


Nevermind. I read the instructions on the quiz paper but not the ones in the book, which gave the option of saying it was nonsensical.

Damnit.

Same goes for the N question.

RTFB!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,11:08   

I are lernin!

keep the posts coming.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,11:27   

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I are lernin!

keep the posts coming.

If I don't learn to read the instructions, Rich, you might want to carefully reconsider that request.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,11:29   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 03 2008,16:40)
Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 03 2008,11:26)
Ok, here's the actual question and what I did with it, which doesn't seem right, but given that the bonds are supposed to represent pairs of e-, I don't what what else I could have done with it.


Nevermind. I read the instructions on the quiz paper but not the ones in the book, which gave the option of saying it was nonsensical.

Damnit.

Same goes for the N question.

RTFB!

Look up the term "agostic". It's a word used in organometallic chem (mostly).

The chances of an agostic hydrogen bridging two uncomplexed, uncharged carbon based molecules........unlikely. Comes back to electronegativity again. The polarity of those bonds isn't sufficient to make the formal bond being shown there. If you're talking about hydrogen bonds the sure, they can and do happen, but representing them as "formal" covalent 2 electron bonds is not representing them as they really are. Even a dative bond is more "formal" than a hydrogen bond (H-bonds are really through space interactions of dipoles).

That diagram is not precisely nonsensical, but it IS nonsensical given the information you have been given. Like I said, unless you are dealing with (obscure) high energy states and weird gas state bonding modes, you're not dealing with something "real".

For given values of the word "real"! :-)

Yeah that was helpful Louis!

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,11:34   



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,11:34   

I will translate that last post into sensiblese when I am a) not off work for the day, b) not drunk, c) not 2 hours away from my friend's wedding rehearsal, d) not drunk, e) not waiting for a cab, and f) not drunk.

There may be a recurring theme.

Well there is when I can spell "theme" the first time.

Louis

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,11:37   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 03 2008,11:27)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 03 2008,12:08)
I are lernin!

keep the posts coming.

If I don't learn to read the instructions, Rich, you might want to carefully reconsider that request.

Reading the instructions, like asking for directions, is the domain of the female. Those that say you can't put a square peg through a round hole have not witnessed the brute force and ignorance school of inquiry.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2008,22:48   

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Nevermind. I read the instructions on the quiz paper but not the ones in the book, which gave the option of saying it was nonsensical.


Well the nerve of the professor, requiring the student to know how to recognize nonsense when he sees it. How can people from here know how to recognize nonsense when they spend all their time arguing with, uh... Oh. Never mind.

Henry

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2008,09:27   

I just wanted to take a minute to say that my prof rocketh.

Apparently I wasn't the only one who didn't RTFB, and he "was in a good mood" (direct quote), so he didn't crucify us for not labeling the screwy molecules, if we drew them out reasonably correctly according to the given structural diagram.

I wound up with 11 out of the 12 possible points.

Given that, and that my Spanish instructor also didn't crucify us on spelling on our first quiz (and I got the extra credit problem which made up for all my mistakes, giving me a 100), it's not been so bad an ending to the week.

I got my precalc quiz and my labs back Wednesday night, and maxed them all out at 100s too.

I'm ready for the weekend.

:)

--- over which I have an English essay to write for Monday and my first exam (Spanish) to study for on Tuesday.

:(

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 05 2008,09:34   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 05 2008,09:27)
I'm ready for the weekend.

:)

--- over which I have an English essay to write for Monday and my first exam (Spanish) to study for on Tuesday.

:(

We give our first exam in intro Biology on Monday night.

There are 792 students in 10 sections currently enrolled. It's a logistical nightmare.

Frankly, I'm convinced it is easier to study and take a test than it is to write it, proof-read it, make two versions to discourage cheating, distribute it to 7 exam rooms, and get it graded. The students have no clues about this, of course; they are focused on one exam (theirs). And they are all convinced that we are trying to flunk them. Little do they know that I am as anxious (maybe more anxious) to see those grades as they are. I want them to do well, and I'm bummed when they don't.

Good luck on your exam, Lou. And thanks for keeping us posted on your progress there!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 06 2008,17:15   

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Good luck on your exam, Lou. And thanks for keeping us posted on your progress there!

Thanks Alby, and you're welcome.

My blog is getting kinda like the fridge was for my kids when they were in grade school (as is this thread), an observation which I find endlessly amusing.

:)

I realize I'm a little behind on posting the notes and hope to catch up soon, but as I said, I have a paper to finish and some studying to do.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 07 2008,21:14   

Hiya Lou!

I just got done with my first week back at school.  As a geology major, my main course is Minerology/Petrology; but I'm also taking Pre-Calc and an intro to Archeology class.

You wrote above:

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I got my precalc quiz and my labs back Wednesday night, and maxed them all out at 100s too.


I took my first quiz on Thurs. and think that I did well - but I haven't seen the result yet.  We're currently on line equations and quadratic formula derivation.  Neh. . . :)

My Archeology instructor is very animated, likes to quote James Brown, and is a joke-a-minute kind of guy.  I don't anticipate any problems there.

Min-Pet is going to be a lot of work, but should be rewarding as a major "core" course for me.  Plus we have all kinds of field trips (two weekenders, one going as far as the Black Hills in SD) and I get a really cool hammer!!

I had Chem last semester, and (maybe) in the above, the bond is actually a C-C bond, with the H bonding to one or the other?  Anyway, I got a B+ in that course, but did a lot of work and kinda forgot a lot already.  :P

Best of luck to all of the school returnees!  Have fun and learn lots.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2008,11:26   

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My Archeology instructor


But does he carry a whip, wear a hat, and look like Harrison Ford? ;)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2008,14:27   

Quote (jeffox @ Sep. 07 2008,22:14)
Hiya Lou!

I just got done with my first week back at school.  As a geology major, my main course is Minerology/Petrology; but I'm also taking Pre-Calc and an intro to Archeology class.

You wrote above:

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I got my precalc quiz and my labs back Wednesday night, and maxed them all out at 100s too.


I took my first quiz on Thurs. and think that I did well - but I haven't seen the result yet.  We're currently on line equations and quadratic formula derivation.  Neh. . . :)

My Archeology instructor is very animated, likes to quote James Brown, and is a joke-a-minute kind of guy.  I don't anticipate any problems there.

Min-Pet is going to be a lot of work, but should be rewarding as a major "core" course for me.  Plus we have all kinds of field trips (two weekenders, one going as far as the Black Hills in SD) and I get a really cool hammer!!

I had Chem last semester, and (maybe) in the above, the bond is actually a C-C bond, with the H bonding to one or the other?  Anyway, I got a B+ in that course, but did a lot of work and kinda forgot a lot already.  :P

Best of luck to all of the school returnees!  Have fun and learn lots.

Here's to us, Jeff!

May we learn lots, and share the wealth.

(and now I'm three lectures and a lab behind in posting my notes.... I really need to get caught up on that!)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2008,15:04   

Oh, almost forgot.

We turned in our lab reports for the termite lab today, in the first part of lab.... to each other.

Each person in each group turned over their lab report to someone from a different group. We're peer reviewing before final drafting.

So next Monday, each group gets their copies of the lab report back from the various reviewers, and then we take the critiques and redraft our papers for final turn-in the following week.

That's pretty cool.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2008,23:19   

Henry J wrote above:

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But does he carry a whip, wear a hat, and look like Harrison Ford?  


No, not really.  He does talk a lot about drinking "40's" out of brown paper bags.  :)  Really, he's quite the cat, and a real quick wit, too boot.  

One student made a kinda goofy comment about how cattle, on average, orient themselves with their heads to the north.  The instructor's immediate reply was that that was because they're fed cow magnets.  Being that I've spent a lot of my life in and around farming communities, I actually knew what a cow magnet was.  I almost hit the floor laughing.  Sharp, that one.  :)

Note to city-folks:  A cow magnet is a small, rounded-edged cylinder of steel that is magnetized and fed to cattle to make all the iron-based garbage they eat collect in their stomachs and not go into their intestines where that shit can really cause problems.  They're about 2 inches long and about 1/4 inch in diameter.  The metals that cows eat include parts of old barbed-wire fences, nails, old building materials, etc.  A lot of farmers in the olden days just threw garbage out into their fields to get rid of it.  More than anybody really wanted to know, but there it is.   Moo, y'all.  :)   :)   :p

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2008,11:22   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 08 2008,13:04)
Oh, almost forgot.

We turned in our lab reports for the termite lab today, in the first part of lab.... to each other.

Each person in each group turned over their lab report to someone from a different group. We're peer reviewing before final drafting.

So next Monday, each group gets their copies of the lab report back from the various reviewers, and then we take the critiques and redraft our papers for final turn-in the following week.

That's pretty cool.

Anonymous peer review (drawing reports randomly) would have been more realistic, and much more entertaining.  You're much more likely to hand out an authentic merciless kicking if you're safe from reprisals.

To make it a truly accurate simulation, you should drop enough little hints for your victim to be all but certain who did the dirty deed - but unable to prove a thing.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2008,14:02   

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Reading the instructions, like asking for directions, is the domain of the female. Those that say you can't put a square peg through a round hole have not witnessed the brute force and ignorance school of inquiry.


The "elegant" male solution for getting a square peg into a round hole requires the use of a lathe.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2008,14:09   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Aug. 30 2008,21:09)
Lou

I think that your understanding of the basic material may be better than some of my students.  Here is an email, rec'd tonight, from a student in my intro bio class. The name is withheld to protect the innocent...
     
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I was reading the textbook and I am now confused.

On page 4, it defines Atoms as "...the fundamental building blocks of all substances, living and non-living."
Then on page 22, it goes on to say that ... "Atoms differ in the number of subatomic particles, but all have a nucleus..."
--- Back on page 8, it told me that bacteria & archaea are single-celled organisms, but that they are prokaryotic, meaning that they have no nucleus..
..Farther back still, on page four, it says in short : atoms join together to make molecules, and molecules (become organized into?) make cells...

So as I said I am confused.  Is the textbook saying that some molecules are formed without atoms?  If so, what are they made of?

..Or is page 22 incorrect about all atoms having nuclei or is there something else ?

Thanks for clearing this up

You know, it's funny, I never really thought of the ambiguity about 'nucleus'.  They were just two different concepts with two different words, in my mind at least.

I mean, I know that it's the same word, but...I don't know, it was just different.  Probably partially due to the fact that I am inclined to biology more than chemistry, so cells come to mind more often than atoms, but still.

On one hand, at least the student paid enough attention when reading to even notice that it was the same word used.  That's at least somewhat observant.

On the other hand...that should never have left middle school, let alone high school.  Maybe even elementary school.

Scary, funny, and strange all at once.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2008,14:24   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 08 2008,16:04)
Oh, almost forgot.

We turned in our lab reports for the termite lab today, in the first part of lab.... to each other.

Each person in each group turned over their lab report to someone from a different group. We're peer reviewing before final drafting.

So next Monday, each group gets their copies of the lab report back from the various reviewers, and then we take the critiques and redraft our papers for final turn-in the following week.

That's pretty cool.

Forgot to add, I really enjoyed reading about the termites.  Something I didn't know and another fascinating about nature.  Cool!

How sad of a nerd am I that the development of a hypothesis was nearly as much fun as the termites themselves?  I know it's very School House Rock!, but learning is awesome!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2008,14:58   

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Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 03 2008,11:37)

Reading the instructions, like asking for directions, is the domain of the female. Those that say you can't put a square peg through a round hole have not witnessed the brute force and ignorance school of inquiry.


The "elegant" male solution for getting a square peg into a round hole requires the use of a lathe.

- Kurt

Too girly.  If it doesn't fit, get a bigger hammer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2008,03:54   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Sep. 05 2008,09:27)
I just wanted to take a minute to say that my prof rocketh.

Apparently I wasn't the only one who didn't RTFB, and he "was in a good mood" (direct quote), so he didn't crucify us for not labeling the screwy molecules, if we drew them out reasonably correctly according to the given structural diagram.

I wound up with 11 out of the 12 possible points.

Given that, and that my Spanish instructor also didn't crucify us on spelling on our first quiz (and I got the extra credit problem which made up for all my mistakes, giving me a 100), it's not been so bad an ending to the week.

I got my precalc quiz and my labs back Wednesday night, and maxed them all out at 100s too.

I'm ready for the weekend.

:)

--- over which I have an English essay to write for Monday and my first exam (Spanish) to study for on Tuesday.

:(

The one class I remember my grade in was pre-calc. I got an A on the first 4 out of 5 equally weighted tests and a B- in the class.

That worried me IIRC because I had calc the next quarter after summer break and it was required for science majors.

But that had to do more with distractions and so forth... I'm sure you'll sail through.

Why are you taking Spanish?

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