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tmtoulouse Posts: 16 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:26    To those who might try and make an account at CP, they have been inundated with pranks, vandals and parodist for a long time now. The "administration" of the site has become super paranoid and they have adopted a "block first ask questions later" approach. Anything at all questionable early on will merit a block. The most likely accounts to survive are those that consist of a first name followed by a letter like MaryA, JohnD, or whatever. Edit a few non-controversial articles to start with, don't edit too much too quick, and avoid talk pages at first. That should get you into the clear and you can start doing what you want with out risking an immediate ban.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:26    Quote (ERV @ June 25 2008,12:48) Anyone have the text of the third letter to Lenski?  CP is down again. Honestly, I don't think a third letter is necessary.  Schlafly's epic fail has incented the big intellectual guns to join the fray.  And the biggest of them all, Davescot, has managed to eviscerate Lenski only three (3!!!) sentences into the  abstract.   Quote I started reading Lenski’s full paper myself to see what raw data was provided and I got no farther than the first paragraph beyond the abstract when I encountered a bias error that a chance worshipper would never notice. My emphasis:   Quote At its core, evolution involves a profound tension between random and deterministic processes. Natural selection works systematically to adapt populations to their prevailing environments. However, selection requires heritable variation generated by random mutation, and even beneficial mutations may be lost by random drift. Moreover, random and deterministic processes become intertwined over time such that future alternatives may be contingent on the prior history of an evolving population. The bold portion is patently wrong. Selection operates on any heritable variation whether random or not. That the authors would use the language they did (random variation) and the peer reviewers didn’t notice it is testimony to the chance worshipper bias that pervades evolution research. ....... I believe the peanut gallery, in their latest fashion in phraseology, would summarize this as: Lenski FAIL. But they won’t because they’re living in denial of their own failings. HAR HAR. ID WINS. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:36    Quote (tmtoulouse @ June 25 2008,11:26) To those who might try and make an account at CP, they have been inundated with pranks, vandals and parodist for a long time now. The "administration" of the site has become super paranoid and they have adopted a "block first ask questions later" approach. Anything at all questionable early on will merit a block. The most likely accounts to survive are those that consist of a first name followed by a letter like MaryA, JohnD, or whatever. Edit a few non-controversial articles to start with, don't edit too much too quick, and avoid talk pages at first. That should get you into the clear and you can start doing what you want with out risking an immediate ban. Eeeeexcellent! Excuse me while I rub my hands together and cackle maniacally. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,13:39    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 25 2008,13:26) Quote (ERV @ June 25 2008,12:48) Anyone have the text of the third letter to Lenski?  CP is down again. Honestly, I don't think a third letter is necessary.  Schlafly's epic fail has incented the big intellectual guns to join the fray.  And the biggest of them all, Davescot, has managed to eviscerate Lenski only three (3!!!) sentences into the  abstract.     Quote I started reading Lenski’s full paper myself to see what raw data was provided and I got no farther than the first paragraph beyond the abstract when I encountered a bias error that a chance worshipper would never notice. My emphasis:     Quote At its core, evolution involves a profound tension between random and deterministic processes. Natural selection works systematically to adapt populations to their prevailing environments. However, selection requires heritable variation generated by random mutation, and even beneficial mutations may be lost by random drift. Moreover, random and deterministic processes become intertwined over time such that future alternatives may be contingent on the prior history of an evolving population. The bold portion is patently wrong. Selection operates on any heritable variation whether random or not. That the authors would use the language they did (random variation) and the peer reviewers didn’t notice it is testimony to the chance worshipper bias that pervades evolution research. ....... I believe the peanut gallery, in their latest fashion in phraseology, would summarize this as: Lenski FAIL. But they won’t because they’re living in denial of their own failings. HAR HAR. ID WINS. Funny how Dave didn't talk about how they were front-loaded to create this mutation by the designer. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,15:17    This is great fun.  Many of the conservitives of conservapedia are truly insane. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,15:35    Quote I intended peer review in general, not just at the PNAS, but that's a fair comparison. Like Murray, I would have thought that a fortnight is sufficient, but you do appear to be correct that the Lenski paper was much quicker than normal at the PNAS. So that just leaves the question of broken policies... Philip J. Rayment 12:24, 20 June 2008 (EDT) These idiots are speculating about the short review time for the Lenski et al paper in PNAS. This was Lienski's inaugural paper following his election to the National Academy. One expects an expedited review and publication. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,16:05    They disabled my CP account quickly and I said nothing snarky or overtly poe-ish.  I can login but I can not edit anything, even my own talk page.  I suspect the reason we see so few new comments today is because they have diabled/banned people. -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,16:19    From glancing around random Conservapedia pages, like Barack Obama's, it quickly became clear that the only way they could maintain that level of stupid bias was by aggressively weeding out users who demonstrate any sense.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,16:25    Quote (stevestory @ June 25 2008,16:19) From glancing around random Conservapedia pages, like Barack Obama's, it quickly became clear that the only way they could maintain that level of stupid bias was by aggressively weeding out users who demonstrate any sense. Quote Obama wore an American flag lapel pin after 9/11, but later stopped wearing it without adequate explanation i thought the commentary that patriotism is in your heart, not on your lapel was quite poignant.. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

tmtoulouse Posts: 16 Joined: Aug. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,16:35    Quote (Mr_Christopher @ June 25 2008,16:05) They disabled my CP account quickly and I said nothing snarky or overtly poe-ish.  I can login but I can not edit anything, even my own talk page.  I suspect the reason we see so few new comments today is because they have diabled/banned people. The speculation on our end is that they have now made "editing" a right that has to be expressly given to a new account. They had setup an "edit" user group that blocked editing at night to everyone not in a special group because they didnt have the anti-vandalism staff to handle open editing. It now appears that the "edit" right has been extended to the whole day. Whether on purpose or accident we have yet to determine.

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 25 2008,22:53    I find it truly delightful that conservatives are exposed as total asshats. Paranoid, ignorant asshats. Hiphip asshat! Hurray! -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,00:39    Eh?  Is Swansea University really that bad?  I should warn my post-doc who's visiting there next month... There also isn't an entry for Denyse O'Leary.  An unfortunate oversight, methinks. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,11:29    Richard Lenski is not only an evolutionary biologist, but a most excellent blogger. * First, Lenski demonstrates a strong desire to communicate his knowledge to others. * Next, he is willing to brave Schlafly's ill-founded objections in deference to open-minded lurkers. * Lenski then details several areas of Schlafly's ignorance  - Schlafly hadn't read the paper at issue.  - Schlafly misunderstood what the paper showed  - Schlafly doesn't even know what is meant by scientific data. * In best blogger tradition, Lenski even claims to have a whole population of unicorns in the lab! (But I wonder if they are invisible pink unicorns...) He then adds postscripts. * Big numbers mean lots of mutations. * A wedding and Biblical Creation. * Galileo's apocryphal Eppur si muove * And Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Kudos to Lenski! -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

PuckSR Posts: 314 Joined: Nov. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,19:11    All of this fun is almost enough to get me posting again

argystokes Posts: 766 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,19:25    Quote (PuckSR @ June 26 2008,17:11) All of this fun is almost enough to get me posting again Wow, there's a name I haven't seen in a while. Next thing you know Russell will be popping up. -------------- "Why waste time learning, when ignorance is instantaneous?" -Calvin

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,20:27    Quote (argystokes @ June 26 2008,20:25) Quote (PuckSR @ June 26 2008,17:11) All of this fun is almost enough to get me posting again Wow, there's a name I haven't seen in a while. Next thing you know Russell will be popping up. Or ericmurphy or Lenny. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,21:03    Quote (Lou FCD @ June 26 2008,20:27) Or ericmurphy or Lenny. Last time I looked, Eric was playing the role of arch-nemesis to afdave.  I had to take a break, though, as the constant feedback loop of Dave's delusions was starting to melt my brain. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 26 2008,21:30    I am so glad that tey have not stopped. They did delete much of their public humiliation, but then they lept right back in the cess. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,07:28    And Larry Farfarout joined in the fun too. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Mr_Christopher Posts: 1238 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 27 2008,10:37    I'm considering committing suicide on the talk page.  Just say something really sarcastic to Tard Andy.  Problem is when they nuke my account they'll likely delete my comments, so what would the point be? What to do... -------------- Uncommon Descent is a moral cesspool, a festering intellectual ghetto that intoxicates and degrades its inhabitants - Stephen Matheson

Wild Bob Posts: 11 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,03:07    Quote (Bob O'H @ June 27 2008,07:28) And Larry Farfarout joined in the fun too. Only to be pwned by a complete douche for violating the 90/10 rule against talk, talk, talk. Why am I not surprised?

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,03:14    Quote (Texas Teach @ June 26 2008,22:03) Quote (Lou FCD @ June 26 2008,20:27) Or ericmurphy or Lenny. Last time I looked, Eric was playing the role of arch-nemesis to afdave.  I had to take a break, though, as the constant feedback loop of Dave's delusions was starting to melt my brain. I miss Eric Murphy. He was good.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,11:13    They'er still at it: http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia_talk:Lenski_dialog Someone should take one of their claims then wah-wah-wah! about data. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,11:44    jesus christ that schlafly douchebag is a total idiot.  that is some of the dumbest stuff i have ever seen.  sternberger you were right about that. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,13:06    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 30 2008,12:44) jesus christ that schlafly douchebag is a total idiot.  that is some of the dumbest stuff i have ever seen.  sternberger you were right about that. Easy there, little nipper. Small sips at first. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,14:30    i've been chugging that tard ever since the first letter.  i was really hoping there was a third letter but it appears the blogosphere and Lenski in particular have discovered that Teh Assfly is one of the stupidest human beings that has ever lived. Show me the data! Show me the data sir! Show me the data you fraud! Show me the data you public fund parasite. seriously that shit gets old.  tired tard is not as funny, it's like scraping the bottom of the bowl for some used up tar.  does not have the same effervescent fresh green smell that the straight stuff does.  but it looks like the other raving lunatic fundie stupid ass, Larry Fafarman, has found himself a great home (or in his words a venue to publicize his views, roflmao).  Hey fuck stick your views are publicized, we have laughed ourselves stupid over you for years. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,14:47    Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ June 30 2008,14:30) i've been chugging that tard ever since the first letter.  i was really hoping there was a third letter but it appears the blogosphere and Lenski in particular have discovered that Teh Assfly is one of the stupidest human beings that has ever lived. Show me the data! Show me the data sir! Show me the data you fraud! Show me the data you public fund parasite. seriously that shit gets old.  tired tard is not as funny, it's like scraping the bottom of the bowl for some used up tar.  does not have the same effervescent fresh green smell that the straight stuff does.  but it looks like the other raving lunatic fundie stupid ass, Larry Fafarman, has found himself a great home (or in his words a venue to publicize his views, roflmao).  Hey fuck stick your views are publicized, we have laughed ourselves stupid over you for years. Except they acknowledge they wouldn't know what to do with 'the data' but they want it out there, so some AIG guy can start the distortion process. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 30 2008,19:25    This is better than Dembski has been in the last year or so. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Quidam Posts: 229 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,10:07    -------------- The organized fossils ... and their localities also, may be understood by all, even the most illiterate. William Smith, Strata. 1816

Wild Bob Posts: 11 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 04 2008,10:16    Quote (Quidam @ July 04 2008,10:07) OH, YEAH!!!

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