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k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,00:18    Quote (CeilingCat @ June 06 2008,08:01) Quote (carlsonjok @ June 05 2008,12:48) WmAD is pissed!!       Quote Colorado Governor Bill Ritter’s signing of a transgender anti-discrimination bill points up the lunacy that ensues in a world without design Great, just great! The cross-dressers can now eat in the Baylor cafeteria and he still can't.  And, to add insult to injury, he can't make fun off them anymore, either.  Damn liberals! Always screwing up his fun! If Dembski showed up at the Baylor cafeteria in a dress, I'd let him in. Yeah he could wear that low cut knitted affair.....very haut couture. It must be the only one in existance. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,00:25    Never read O'Leary while eating or drinking:     Quote No, evolution today means that apes should have human rights but humans shouldn’t. Anybody know how to get a fishstick out of your sinus cavity?

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,00:26    Quote (k.e.. @ June 06 2008,00:18)   Quote (CeilingCat @ June 06 2008,08:01)   Quote (carlsonjok @ June 05 2008,12:48) WmAD is pissed!!           Quote Colorado Governor Bill Ritter’s signing of a transgender anti-discrimination bill points up the lunacy that ensues in a world without design Great, just great! The cross-dressers can now eat in the Baylor cafeteria and he still can't.  And, to add insult to injury, he can't make fun off them anymore, either.  Damn liberals! Always screwing up his fun! If Dembski showed up at the Baylor cafeteria in a dress, I'd let him in. Yeah he could wear that low cut knitted affair.....very haut couture. It must be the only one in existance. There are others, but their owners have learned to avoid cameras.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,00:28    Quote (CeilingCat @ June 06 2008,01:25) Never read O'Leary while eating or drinking:       Quote No, evolution today means that apes should have human rights but humans shouldn’t. Anybody know how to get a fishstick out of your sinus cavity? It's hard to imagine that even in Fundyland that makes a lick of sense. Edited by stevestory on June 06 2008,01:30

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,00:33    if she'd said Quote No, evolution today means that apes should have human rights. or Quote No, evolution today means that humans shouldn’t have rights. I could at least present a stupid fundy argument for those positions, but what she said is just nonsense.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,00:34    god, after years of following these people they can still just boggle my mind.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,01:05    http://www.uncommondescent.com/culture....omments Quote 9 RRE 06/05/2008 4:50 pm Tard Alert! So we have to give special rights and recognition to a group of people whose body does not match the sex of their mind. I thought liberalism says that men and women are equals. If that’s true, then why would someone born a man want to be a woman if they are equal? RRE shows why sockpuppetry is problematic. Can I savor the utter and complete missing of the boat by RRE here if he might just be one of you jerks in disguise? And is RRE pronounced "Re-Re"?

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,01:06    Jeeze, I missed this right after the apes and human rights comment: Quote In my view, the Cardinal should have vigorously denounced what he tiptoes around. Believe me, he runs no intellectual risks in so dealing with, for example, the Big Bazooms theory of evolution. I think she's trying to tell us she didn't evolve.

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,03:10    Humans are apes, but apes are not human(s). Maybe human rights' should be relabeled 'apes rights'? -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,07:50    Gpuccio has found a way to easily disprove Darwinian evolution Quote I have alway thought that any serious GA should look for evolution of function from random noise in a context which can have all the restraints we want, but which must not incorporate in any way the knowledge of the function which will evolve. But obviously, such a GA would easily falsify darwinian evolution, so I don’t think it will be easily created, or accepted, by the official academy. Does anybody know who this "official academy" is and how they could stop such a GA being created? There are many computer programmers over at UD (few biologists evidently) and you would think they'd be falling overthemselves to write such a GA that will easily falsify Darwinian evolution. A nobel awaits? Tard He continues to dig in the next comment Quote Any system working this way, and that includes AVIDA and practically all GA, is just another instance of the “Methinks it’s like a weasel” model, and while it can show that a designed random search can work (which we already know), it says nothing about non designed random searchs. Honestly they are obsessed with "Methinks it’s like a weasel" like that is anything but a toy example. It's like somebody standing up in a physics lecture and saying "but that's not true, my ABC 123 adding book for 9 to 12 year olds disagrees with your conclusion". I guess if they knew their stuff that well they'd see how stupid they look and would stay silent. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,09:11    Quote (k.e.. @ June 06 2008,00:18) Quote (CeilingCat @ June 06 2008,08:01) Quote (carlsonjok @ June 05 2008,12:48) WmAD is pissed!!         Quote Colorado Governor Bill Ritter’s signing of a transgender anti-discrimination bill points up the lunacy that ensues in a world without design Great, just great! The cross-dressers can now eat in the Baylor cafeteria and he still can't.  And, to add insult to injury, he can't make fun off them anymore, either.  Damn liberals! Always screwing up his fun! If Dembski showed up at the Baylor cafeteria in a dress, I'd let him in. Yeah he could wear that low cut knitted affair.....very haut couture. It must be the only one in existance. If the Tardigan was on ebay, I would bid. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,12:34    Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ June 06 2008,07:50) Gpuccio has found a way to easily disprove Darwinian evolution   Quote I have alway thought that any serious GA should look for evolution of function from random noise in a context which can have all the restraints we want, but which must not incorporate in any way the knowledge of the function which will evolve. But obviously, such a GA would easily falsify darwinian evolution, so I don’t think it will be easily created, or accepted, by the official academy. Does anybody know who this "official academy" is and how they could stop such a GA being created? It's me! I've implanted sinister Darwinoid prostheses into your brains to prevent you from writing a GA with any kind with any geniunely random input. (Those who appear to do so are actually working for me. Way to go, minions of The Official Academy!) -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Annyday Posts: 583 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,12:42    Quote (CeilingCat @ June 06 2008,00:25) Never read O'Leary while eating or drinking:       Quote No, evolution today means that apes should have human rights but humans shouldn’t. Anybody know how to get a fishstick out of your sinus cavity? Run saline through it. Yes, it does feel like water torture - you may prefer to leave the fish inside of your face. -------------- "ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 06 2008,14:19    Quote (stevestory @ June 06 2008,00:34) god, after years of following these people they can still just boggle my mind. The latest O'Leary thread ends with a comment by "Rude" "They're still counting the number of angels on the head of a pin". I think that they just posted the Cliff Notes version of ID.* -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2008,08:32    I've taken a break from monitoring the tard.  (Travel, projects, etc.)  I'm not missing it. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Maya Posts: 702 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2008,09:16    Quote (Hermagoras @ June 07 2008,08:32) I've taken a break from monitoring the tard.  (Travel, projects, etc.)  I'm not missing it. I can quit whenever I want.

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2008,09:58    Quote gpuccio: statistics is the science of random events, not of causal assumptions. Bob O'H: Sorry, this is just wrong. A lot of modern-day statistics is about causal models. Look up topics like structural equation modelling, path analysis, graphical models etc. gpuccio: By the way, while I happily admit that I don’t know the statistical applications you mention (I will try to study something about them, just to know), I still don’t think there is any doubt that statistics is the science which studies random events. Statistics is the study of data—the collection and analysis of data (much of which is presumably not random). Indeed, a lot of statistics involves trying to tease the actual trend from random variance in results. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2008,11:08    There's a new post at Evolution News & Views entitled None Dare Call It Journalism. Surprisingly, it's not about Denyse. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2008,11:39    Quote (keiths @ June 07 2008,11:08) There's a new post at Evolution News & Views entitled None Dare Call It Journalism. Surprisingly, it's not about Denyse. Nice. That should make a good thing to send folks who argue that the DI is a source of serious commentary. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2008,11:51    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ June 07 2008,09:39) Quote (keiths @ June 07 2008,11:08) There's a new post at Evolution News & Views entitled None Dare Call It Journalism. Surprisingly, it's not about Denyse. Nice. That should make a good thing to send folks who argue that the DI is a source of serious commentary. I have noticed for a few weeks that the DI's Evolution News & Views has had an enriched tard flow.  A recent solid lump was Casey Luskin's whine about Barbara Forrest. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 07 2008,13:35    Quote (keiths @ June 07 2008,11:08) There's a new post at Evolution News & Views entitled None Dare Call It Journalism. Surprisingly, it's not about Denyse. You can enjoy the director's cut of this Cothran's post at his own blog vere loqui. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

DiEb Posts: 312 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2008,01:15    Sal has his "gotcha" moment (or hasn't he?) Over there, in the silent backwaters of UD, I've got a conversation going on with Sal Cordova, (re-)starting here. Amusingly, I wasn't able to post at UD for a couple of weeks (my contributions wouldn't even make the "your post is awaiting moderation" stage) - but a gentle hint from AtBC, and this was solved... Thanks!

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2008,04:34    Ah, thanks for reminding us, DiEB.  But can you answer a technical question for me - do Fourier series follow a Dirichlet distribution? Reading that thread, which one of you is thogan? Quote 130 thogan 05/30/2008 9:31 am Anytime you have two PhD’s you have a paradox. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

DiEb Posts: 312 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2008,05:03    Quote Ah, thanks for reminding us, DiEB. No, thank you for wading through the posts - I'm afraid, there's only little amusement in it... Quote But can you answer a technical question for me - do Fourier series follow a Dirichlet distribution? :D well, it's the same name, so they better should, they appear on the same site when I google for the terms  - as they say: words mean things :p

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2008,06:35    Hi DiEb, Yeah, its' funny to see how Sal is arguing about fine mathematical points while at the same time he cannot spot a missing minus sign in your answer for the Fourier transform (#148).  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

DiEb Posts: 312 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2008,07:01    Quote (olegt @ June 08 2008,06:35) Hi DiEb, Yeah, its' funny to see how Sal is arguing about fine mathematical points while at the same time he cannot spot a missing minus sign in your answer for the Fourier transform (#148).  A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. yep, guilty for the minus - I've to admit that I had quite a few typos in the terms I used - some I spotted, some not. So, thank you: that is a point for what I could be rightly chastised... I tried to format the expressions nicely, but that's quite difficult at UD: < sup> and < sub> tags only work in the preview...

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2008,07:33    Don't worry Crying Slimy Sal. Panza will go over and get big mean dT to impersonate Sal's self and tell you off for being mean then threaten to hack the site....(That's UD BTW Dt <snicker>) As they did back in the good old days on Panda's when Sal. Panza was trying to untangle one of Demquixote's windmill charging Tautological Sesquipedalian Obscurantisms ™ for us great unwashed. From memory his abject failure to define one of his master’s private definitions for CSI. Needless to say he shot both his feet off and declared victory. He did pick up a new word though....Obscurantism is not what you think it is Sal. I'm afraid.....first hit on Google is a bitch. He has the endearing habit of forgetting to put his foot in the stirrup before he mounts. Always leading to a delicious dénouement which he is always the last to realize. Sal. Panza goes for glory when he thinks he is on a winner ...erm of course the fights he picks are with the worlds leading intellectuals (i.e. anyone smarter than Sal. .......sorry olegt that didn't mean you are stupid) and the subjects are ferocious world changing paper man eating tigers. The comedy is, he is so tragic. Watch him move onto discussing the price of fish in Madrid with Chinese Super Models. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 08 2008,21:39    WAD:   Quote Obama: Helping Humanity Evolve William Dembski Here’s an excerpt from the San Francisco Chronicle about Obama. Adjectives like “fawning,” “effusive,” and “unhinged” don’t quite capture this article, which is titled “Is Obama an Enlightened Being?” “Messianic” is more like it. Interestingly, the highest praise that this article heaps on Obama is that he will “help us evolve.”     Quote Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul. I suppose this is one of the reasons ID is despised — it rips to shreds evolution’s religious pretensions. The passage WAD quotes is new age gas, which advocates a fairy tale version of "human evolution" that bears no more relationship to the realities of natural history and biological evolution than does intelligent design. Surely WAD knows better than to conflate the two. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2008,00:19    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ June 09 2008,05:39) WAD:     Quote Obama: Helping Humanity Evolve William Dembski Here’s an excerpt from the San Francisco Chronicle about Obama. Adjectives like “fawning,” “effusive,” and “unhinged” don’t quite capture this article, which is titled “Is Obama an Enlightened Being?” “Messianic” is more like it. Interestingly, the highest praise that this article heaps on Obama is that he will “help us evolve.”       Quote Many spiritually advanced people I know (not coweringly religious, mind you, but deeply spiritual) identify Obama as a Lightworker, that rare kind of attuned being who has the ability to lead us not merely to new foreign policies or health care plans or whatnot, but who can actually help usher in a new way of being on the planet, of relating and connecting and engaging with this bizarre earthly experiment. These kinds of people actually help us evolve. They are philosophers and peacemakers of a very high order, and they speak not just to reason or emotion, but to the soul. I suppose this is one of the reasons ID is despised — it rips to shreds evolution’s religious pretensions. The passage WAD quotes is new age gas, which advocates a fairy tale version of "human evolution" that bears no more relationship to the realities of natural history and biological evolution than does intelligent design. Surely WAD knows better than to conflate the two. NOW LISTEN HEAR LADYBOYS, BILL IS NOT A NEW AGE RAPTUROUS SHAFT OF LIGHT ANGEL HUGGER HE'S A NEW AGE ZERO ENERGY NIL INFORMATION RAPTUROUS SHAFT OF LIGHT ANGEL HUGGER. HE DESPISES EVOLUTION (AND DEMOCRATS) BECAUSE MATERIALISM WON'T GIVE HIM A FREE LUNCH OR ENOUGH TO BUY HISSELF A NEW CARDIGAN. THAT WOULD UNHINGE ANYONE WITH 2 PHD’S OR EVEN ANYONE WITH AN UNUSED PHD IN MATH AND A REVEREND’S CERTIFICATE FROM A CORNER BIBLE STORE. WHICH IS WHY BILL HAS RETIRED TO THROWING EMPTY CANS OF COOL AID AT OTHER CRACKPOTS WHO ARE TRYING TO STEAL HIS LIMELIGHT..... PARTICULARLY DEMOCRAT OBSCURANTISM CRACKPOTS. IT IS NOT…… REPEAT NOT CYNISCISM OK? D/T -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: June 09 2008,03:53    "I suppose this is one of the reasons ID is despised — it rips to shreds evolution’s religious pretensions," says leading ID intellectual William A. Dembski, from his office at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.

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