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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,13:22

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Fox’s blog has no google rank

The URL http://alanfox.blogspot.com/index.html has a google pagerank of 2 of 10.

Searching for "A place where IDers and Darwinists" brings up Alan's blog as the 1st result as it is part of the intro text. There are lots of other hits to pandasthumb, UD, all sorts. Searching with quotes brings up Alan's blog only.

Searching for DaveScot Uncommon Descent "Rich Hughes" AtBC "arbitrary moderation" gets you back to Alan's blog. What part of "Alan's blog is googleranked and indexed" does DS not understand?

Kinda makes

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if I want to trade insults and avoid having it show up on google searches I’ll be sure to come over to Alan’s blog to do it, ok?

A bit inane really, esp considering how DS is teh google king and can overturn paradigms with a single click on the "are you feeling lucky?" button.

What does this tell us about teh DaveScot's internet skillz?
Or is the response going to be the typical ID snake dance?

"I only blog on sites that have a pagerank of at least 5"

pathetic

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,13:30

Yay. I made teh googlesearch keyword.

Am I alone in thinking that DaveTard is slowly becoming JAD?

Wooo! I made my first inference! *high-fives where designer may or may not be*

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,13:35

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Hmmmm..

http://www.uncommondescent.com/science....t-92139

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bFast

02/17/2007

7:35 pm
DaveScot, do you know of any good global warming blogs around?

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DaveScot

02/17/2007

8:15 pm
bFast

Yeah, this one.

DOWN WITH SCIENCE!

cool! So bruce fast now fancies himself an expert on global climate change, too!

:O

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,13:40

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 19 2007,13:30)

Yay. I made teh googlesearch keyword.

Am I alone in thinking that DaveTard is slowly becoming JAD?

Wooo! I made my first inference! *high-fives where designer may or may not be*

Not sure about DS becoming JAD. Is that possible? JAD actually does have scientific credentials.

IIRC, there is a slight issue of DS plagiarising JAD (the PEH) although DS claimed he arrived at it independently. Strangely enough I do not recal DS trumpeting front-loaded evolution until after he read JAD's "paper".

I believe that DS has a truly large ego but very little to justify it. Quite an amazing guy for all wrong reasons.

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,13:43

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Feb. 19 2007,13:40)

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 19 2007,13:30)

Yay. I made teh googlesearch keyword.

Am I alone in thinking that DaveTard is slowly becoming JAD?

Wooo! I made my first inference! *high-fives where designer may or may not be*

Not sure about DS becoming JAD. Is that possible? JAD actually does have scientific credentials.

IIRC, there is a slight issue of DS plagiarising JAD (the PEH) although DS claimed he arrived at it independently. Strangely enough I do not recal DS trumpeting front-loaded evolution until after he read JAD's "paper".

I believe that DS has a truly large ego but very little to justify it. Quite an amazing guy for all wrong reasons.

What about the meandering 'reply to myself' style prose?

He has shit catchphrases, too...

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,13:58

jerry

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Evolution is a 4 tier theory.
The first tier is the origin of life or how did a cell and DNA, RNA and proteins arise.

The Theory of Evolution makes no claim concerning the origin of life, but abiogenesis is an active field of study in science and some sort of unification with evolutionary theory is plausible. All aspects of extant life can be shown to be due to biochemical activities, billions of years ago life did not exist on Earth, then once it appeared, it evolved and diversified.

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The second tier is how did a one cell organism form multi-cell organisms and this include how did such complex organisms as the eye arise as these multi-cell organisms arose... Also most of these systems must have developed before the Cambrian Explosion so there is relatively little geological time for these complexities to have developed.

Life existed for billions of years before the Cambrian Explosion. I guess it depends on what you mean by "little".

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,14:35

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It is interesting that anti-IDers usually defend things that ID theory doesn’t challenge or place much importance on (that “evolution” has occurred, common ancestry, antibiotic resistance, etc.) in an attempt to refute ID.

Um, that is simply not true. Common descent is often disputed and rarely admitted. Much of the evidence for evolution is found in the divergence of organisms from common ancestral populations, so establishing the long evolutionary history of life is essential to any reasonable discourse on mechanisms.

If ID doesn't place much importance on one of the most profound facts in biology, that humans and apes and fish share common ancestors, then ID is vacuous.

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,15:12

Based on the success of The Wedge Strategy and The Vise Strategy, we now bring you

The Merchandising Strategy

I think this is my favorite:

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,15:26

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 19 2007,13:41)

DS continues his solitary rant:

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blah blah blah...So where is all that excess 0.85w/m^2 going? It’s going to turn ice at 0 degrees C into water at 0 degrees C and after that it can drive evaporation turning warm water into warm water vapor, all the while not driving up the temperature of the earth as a whole because the energy is simply being stored as chemical and kinetic energy.

If this was where all that excess energy was being stored what would the symptoms look like, Zach?

<snipped symptoms of born again kookiness>
Those would be the symptoms.

But at least we don't have to worry about the increased temperature melting the ice caps, causing desertification and playing havoc with the weather. All the incoming energy (which is another word for temperature, IIRC) will be simply be lost turning ice into water and water into vapour and dumped into a more energetic atmosphere.

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,15:44

Quote (carlsonjok @ Feb. 19 2007,15:12)

Based on the success of The Wedge Strategy and The Vise Strategy, we now bring you

The Merchandising Strategy

I think this is my favorite:

They seem very quick to jump ship from the fracterial blagella (they call it bac. flag. because when your a powerhouse of scientific production like UD, you don't want typing to interfere with your research)..

Boo Hoo Behe!

(It was all a 'literature bluff'!)

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,16:42

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What other "benefits" do we get for voting for you?

Free shimmy lessons.

A flash animation which I swear I'll work on after May.

A really, really funny joke in just over nine years and a month.

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,17:26

Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 19 2007,16:42)

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What other "benefits" do we get for voting for you?

Free shimmy lessons.

A flash animation which I swear I'll work on after May.

A really, really funny joke in just over nine years and a month. :)

Whew! I almost had a panic attack! I must be reading DaveScott and UD screeds too often, and it has caused a downturn in my reading comprehension skillz...

I thought you said a surprise in 9 months!

Whew!

I am totally looking forward to the joke in just over 9 years!

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,18:01

People seemed to have drooped the spelling pwn3d for pwned. Funny, Firefox 2's spellchecker underlines pwned but not pwn3d. Hehe.

Other webcrap that I see that I don't know what it means is:

<3
usually <3<3<3<3

and sometimes REE REE
or REE REE REE BREE BREE

Can anyone illuminate me?

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,18:16

Quote (Stephen Elliott @ Feb. 19 2007,14:40)

Quote (Richardthughes @ Feb. 19 2007,13:30)

Yay. I made teh googlesearch keyword.

Am I alone in thinking that DaveTard is slowly becoming JAD?

Wooo! I made my first inference! *high-fives where designer may or may not be*

Not sure about DS becoming JAD. Is that possible? JAD actually does have scientific credentials.

IIRC, there is a slight issue of DS plagiarising JAD (the PEH) although DS claimed he arrived at it independently. Strangely enough I do not recal DS trumpeting front-loaded evolution until after he read JAD's "paper".

I believe that DS has a truly large ego but very little to justify it. Quite an amazing guy for all wrong reasons.

Back when DaveTard was JAD's best friend, he wasn't claiming that he independently came up with PEH.

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,18:35

Did I read somewhere that Davescot claims to ba banned from realclimate? I didn't see that in their reply to his post.

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,19:08

Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 19 2007,14:58)

jerry

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Also most of these systems must have developed before the Cambrian Explosion so there is relatively little geological time for these complexities to have developed.

Geological time before the Cambrian Explosion: 4 billion years
Geological time since the Cambrian Explosion: 0.5 billion years

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,19:45

Quote (lkeithlu @ Feb. 20 2007,11:35)

Did I read somewhere that Davescot claims to ba banned from realclimate? I didn't see that in their reply to his post.

I think DT put in a second post which never appeared. After their initial knockdown am I sure that it was full of Dave's usual profanity

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,21:06

Vote for UD's new mascot!

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4.

Oh wait, the DI have already used that one.

http://www.cesame-nm.org/lanlid.ppt#260,11,Slide 11

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Posted: Feb. 19 2007,23:27

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 19 2007,20:08)

Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 19 2007,14:58)

jerry

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Also most of these systems must have developed before the Cambrian Explosion so there is relatively little geological time for these complexities to have developed.

Geological time before the Cambrian Explosion: ~~4 billion years~~ Antediluvian age after Adam (1,500 years).
Geological time since the Cambrian Explosion: ~~0.5 billion years~~ Post Flood (4,000 years).

stevestory,
Fixed that for you.

You just have to get your mind into the proper frame of reference for this stuff to make sense.

Must we tell you this everytime you wander over there?

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Posted: Feb. 20 2007,01:27

On OE, Sam Chen has a post called MUST READ:

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Dr. Phillip Johnson, often considered the father of the ID movement and also the author of numerous books on the intelligent design and evolution controversy, including the famed Darwin on Trial, recently wrote a piece for the Think (The Royal Institute of Philosophy) on the current state of intelligent design.

This article is definitely worth reading and is entitled "Intelligent Design in Biology: The Current Situation and Future Prospects." It can be found here:

http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php
?command=view&id=3914&program=DI%20Main%20Page%
20-%20Article&callingPage=discoMainPage

Clicking on the link does indeed give the current situation and future prospects:

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The URL is not valid and cannot be loaded

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Posted: Feb. 20 2007,01:32

argy-

it's just one of those cases where the link wrapped around and had a space in it.

It's just poorly constructed (go figure).

try this one:

http://tinyurl.com/ywyhz3

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Posted: Feb. 20 2007,01:52

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The goal of the Intelligent Design Movement is to achieve an open philosophy of science that permits consideration of any explanations toward which the evidence may be pointing. This is different from the current restrictive philosophy that rules out of consideration the possibility that a creator may be responsible for our existence, even if the evidence is pointing in that general direction.

Retired lawyer, Phillip Johnson

But no-one is objecting to Intelligent Design as philosophy. Science is restricted by not being equipped to detect or measure the supernatural.

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Posted: Feb. 20 2007,02:02

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But no-one is objecting to Intelligent Design as philosophy

completely counterfactual.

any philosopher worth their salt objects to it as well; even philosophy must have SOME logical structure to it.

I'm not even a philosopher and I also object to ID as philosophy.

I have no objections to it being classified as pure sophistry, however.

really, there is NOTHING to recommend ID. not from a religious perspective, science perspective, or philosophical perspective.

It's a gaping hole, no matter how you spin it.

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Posted: Feb. 20 2007,04:50

Quote (stevestory @ Feb. 19 2007,19:08)

Quote (Zachriel @ Feb. 19 2007,14:58)

jerry

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Also most of these systems must have developed before the Cambrian Explosion so there is relatively little geological time for these complexities to have developed.

Geological time before the Cambrian Explosion: 4 billion years
Geological time since the Cambrian Explosion: 0.5 billion years

Megascopic Multicellular Organisms from the 1700-Million-Year-Old Tuanshanzi Formation

Fossil Evidence Of Worms Over One Billion Years Old

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Posted: Feb. 20 2007,04:54

Quote (Alan Fox @ Feb. 20 2007,01:52)

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The goal of the Intelligent Design Movement is to achieve an open philosophy of science that permits consideration of any explanations toward which the evidence may be pointing. This is different from the current restrictive philosophy that rules out of consideration the possibility that a creator may be responsible for our existence, even if the evidence is pointing in that general direction.

Retired lawyer, Phillip Johnson

But no-one is objecting to Intelligent Design as philosophy. Science is restricted by not being equipped to detect or measure the supernatural.

Intelligent Design makes a claim to scientific validity. As such, it is false. (Perhaps you mean Deism or Pantheism.)

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Posted: Feb. 20 2007,05:00

Quote (steve_h @ Feb. 19 2007,15:26)

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 19 2007,13:41)

DS continues his solitary rant:

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blah blah blah...So where is all that excess 0.85w/m^2 going? It’s going to turn ice at 0 degrees C into water at 0 degrees C and after that it can drive evaporation turning warm water into warm water vapor, all the while not driving up the temperature of the earth as a whole because the energy is simply being stored as chemical and kinetic energy.

If this was where all that excess energy was being stored what would the symptoms look like, Zach?

<snipped symptoms of born again kookiness>
Those would be the symptoms.

But at least we don't have to worry about the increased temperature melting the ice caps, causing desertification and playing havoc with the weather. All the incoming energy (which is another word for temperature, IIRC) will be simply be lost turning ice into water and water into vapour and dumped into a more energetic atmosphere.

Not quite. Temperature is related to energy. Roughly speaking, temperature is the average kinetic energy of molecules. However, you are right that DaveScot answers his own question. The Earth is heating. The climate is changing. The ice is melting. The sea levels are rising. And human technological activities are a significant factor in these changes.

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Posted: Feb. 20 2007,05:02

On UD I noticed a debate between D'OL (or is it Doh) and Robyn Williams. Robyn is a well known science journalist in Australia. Robyn comes off well and D'OL as very unconvincing, although I think that Robyn could have made the point around ID being unscientific and untestable.

What's frustrating in this is that D'OH is painting herself as somebody sitting in the middle of the debate and thinks there may be something in ID. As we know all her writing is about how Darwinists are wrong and there is a huge atheist conspiracy. I noticed on PT that WAD was saying something similar in a debate he recently had, where he believes most of evolution. Again his blog writing is all about the evil Darwinist atheists and poking holes in evolution where he can. Honestly, these guys couldn't lie straight in bed.

A classic from DOL was where she started in on Dawkins and admitted that she hadn't read any of his books.

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Posted: Feb. 20 2007,05:23

Are you talking about this "debate" from last August?

And could you give us a link to Denyse admitting she hadn't read Dawkins? I mean, it's pretty obvious from what she writes about him, but I'd like to see her admitting it.

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Posted: Feb. 20 2007,07:24

Quote (argystokes @ Feb. 20 2007,01:27)

recently wrote a piece for the Think (The Royal Institute of Philosophy) on the current state of intelligent design.

It's dead.

Dead, dead, dead.

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