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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2014,13:05   

There cannot be other than universal gratitude for KF's latest comments closed FYI-FTR clarification complete with Lewontin and familiar diagrams.

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Oh, yes, the big thing about FSCO/I, dFSCI etc is, there is but one empirically observed source:

www.uncommondescent.com

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2014,15:01   

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Joe
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Unguided, gradual evolution posits incremental step-by-step processes to produce the diversity of life and its diversity of intricate systems and subsystems. In the absence of those steps there needs to be probabilities that the steps can occur and in the sequence required. And in the absence of that all you have is a glossy narrative that rivals Shakespeare but doesn’t belong in science.


Creationists are notorious for coming up with really stupid ideas but demanding that science provide a numerical probability and specific steps for evolutionary changes that happened hundreds of millions of years ago has to be among the dumbest. We have ample physical evidence that the events did indeed occur and the mechanisms that caused them. That makes the probability of occurrence 1.0.

Can you imaging demanding that a geologist provide the exact probability calculations and day by day height measurements for the formation of the Alps or else mountain building by plate tectonics is falsified? That’s exactly how stupid this latest demand is.

IDers are the only ones whose argument relies on the precise calculations of unknowable probabilities. Yet another reason they are laughed at by established science.


something tells me adapa isn't long for that board.

linky

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2014,15:09   

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AdapaNovember 14, 2014 at 9:56 am

gpuccio:

You’re welcome. I bet you can find at least a few UD regulars who are as confused over basic logic as you are.


linky

   
Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2014,16:39   

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Joe    
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Unguided, gradual evolution posits incremental step-by-step processes to produce the diversity of life and its diversity of intricate systems and subsystems. In the absence of those steps there needs to be probabilities that the steps can occur and in the sequence required. And in the absence of that all you have is a glossy narrative that rivals Shakespeare but doesn’t belong in science.


Creationists are notorious for coming up with really stupid ideas but demanding that science provide a numerical probability and specific steps for evolutionary changes that happened hundreds of millions of years ago has to be among the dumbest. We have ample physical evidence that the events did indeed occur and the mechanisms that caused them. That makes the probability of occurrence 1.0.

Can you imaging demanding that a geologist provide the exact probability calculations and day by day height measurements for the formation of the Alps or else mountain building by plate tectonics is falsified? That’s exactly how stupid this latest demand is.

IDers are the only ones whose argument relies on the precise calculations of unknowable probabilities. Yet another reason they are laughed at by established science.


something tells me adapa isn't long for that board.

linky

The ID alternative to unguided evolution, guided evolution must be the most contrived and convoluted concept ever concocted.

What it entails is that life on the planet are under continuous supervision to determine when a biotope needs fixing to ensure that some species adapt - and 'evolve' while other species are tagged for extinction in dynamic, ever changing environments.

IDiots are ignorant about the intricaties of the biosphere and have a primitive, naive belief that some unidentifiable "designer" is running the show like a scaled up Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.

Ours is not just a planet with life on it, planet and life are intimate companions and dance partners on their journey through time.

And it is complicated, far beyond the imagination of any IDiot.

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 14 2014,16:49   

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AdapaNovember 13, 2014 at 2:18 pm

Joe    
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Unguided, gradual evolution posits incremental step-by-step processes to produce the diversity of life and its diversity of intricate systems and subsystems. In the absence of those steps there needs to be probabilities that the steps can occur and in the sequence required. And in the absence of that all you have is a glossy narrative that rivals Shakespeare but doesn’t belong in science.


Creationists are notorious for coming up with really stupid ideas but demanding that science provide a numerical probability and specific steps for evolutionary changes that happened hundreds of millions of years ago has to be among the dumbest. We have ample physical evidence that the events did indeed occur and the mechanisms that caused them. That makes the probability of occurrence 1.0.

Can you imaging demanding that a geologist provide the exact probability calculations and day by day height measurements for the formation of the Alps or else mountain building by plate tectonics is falsified? That’s exactly how stupid this latest demand is.

IDers are the only ones whose argument relies on the precise calculations of unknowable probabilities. Yet another reason they are laughed at by established science.


something tells me adapa isn't long for that board.

linky

The ID alternative to unguided evolution, guided evolution must be the most contrived and convoluted concept ever concocted.

What it entails is that life on the planet are under continuous supervision to determine when a biotope needs fixing to ensure that some species adapt - and 'evolve' while other species are tagged for extinction in dynamic, ever changing environments.

IDiots are ignorant about the intricaties of the biosphere and have a primitive, naive belief that some unidentifiable "designer" is running the show like a scaled up Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.

Ours is not just a planet with life on it, planet and life are intimate companions and dance partners on their journey through time.

And it is complicated, far beyond the imagination of any IDiot.

And the designer is doing all this while making it look exactly like an unguided process.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2014,06:03   

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AdapaNovember 13, 2014 at 2:18 pm

Joe    
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Unguided, gradual evolution posits incremental step-by-step processes to produce the diversity of life and its diversity of intricate systems and subsystems. In the absence of those steps there needs to be probabilities that the steps can occur and in the sequence required. And in the absence of that all you have is a glossy narrative that rivals Shakespeare but doesn’t belong in science.


Creationists are notorious for coming up with really stupid ideas but demanding that science provide a numerical probability and specific steps for evolutionary changes that happened hundreds of millions of years ago has to be among the dumbest. We have ample physical evidence that the events did indeed occur and the mechanisms that caused them. That makes the probability of occurrence 1.0.

Can you imaging demanding that a geologist provide the exact probability calculations and day by day height measurements for the formation of the Alps or else mountain building by plate tectonics is falsified? That’s exactly how stupid this latest demand is.

IDers are the only ones whose argument relies on the precise calculations of unknowable probabilities. Yet another reason they are laughed at by established science.


something tells me adapa isn't long for that board.

linky

The ID alternative to unguided evolution, guided evolution must be the most contrived and convoluted concept ever concocted.

What it entails is that life on the planet are under continuous supervision to determine when a biotope needs fixing to ensure that some species adapt - and 'evolve' while other species are tagged for extinction in dynamic, ever changing environments.

IDiots are ignorant about the intricaties of the biosphere and have a primitive, naive belief that some unidentifiable "designer" is running the show like a scaled up Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.

Ours is not just a planet with life on it, planet and life are intimate companions and dance partners on their journey through time.

And it is complicated, far beyond the imagination of any IDiot.

He needs particularly elaborate strategies in the case of generating particular recombinational events. Marriage is made in heaven, I guess, but the subsequent location of crossovers ... ?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2014,08:22   

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Joe      
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Unguided, gradual evolution posits incremental step-by-step processes to produce the diversity of life and its diversity of intricate systems and subsystems. In the absence of those steps there needs to be probabilities that the steps can occur and in the sequence required. And in the absence of that all you have is a glossy narrative that rivals Shakespeare but doesn’t belong in science.


Creationists are notorious for coming up with really stupid ideas but demanding that science provide a numerical probability and specific steps for evolutionary changes that happened hundreds of millions of years ago has to be among the dumbest. We have ample physical evidence that the events did indeed occur and the mechanisms that caused them. That makes the probability of occurrence 1.0.

Can you imaging demanding that a geologist provide the exact probability calculations and day by day height measurements for the formation of the Alps or else mountain building by plate tectonics is falsified? That’s exactly how stupid this latest demand is.

IDers are the only ones whose argument relies on the precise calculations of unknowable probabilities. Yet another reason they are laughed at by established science.


something tells me adapa isn't long for that board.

linky

The ID alternative to unguided evolution, guided evolution must be the most contrived and convoluted concept ever concocted.

What it entails is that life on the planet are under continuous supervision to determine when a biotope needs fixing to ensure that some species adapt - and 'evolve' while other species are tagged for extinction in dynamic, ever changing environments.

IDiots are ignorant about the intricaties of the biosphere and have a primitive, naive belief that some unidentifiable "designer" is running the show like a scaled up Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus.

Ours is not just a planet with life on it, planet and life are intimate companions and dance partners on their journey through time.

And it is complicated, far beyond the imagination of any IDiot.

He needs particularly elaborate strategies in the case of generating particular recombinational events. Marriage is made in heaven, I guess, but the subsequent location of crossovers ... ?

Phew Soapy Sam I'm glad you mentioned marriages and heaven after quack's risqué suggestions involving intimacy, dancing and circuses!

Imagine what karios focus aka Gordon Mullings from Montserrat
would be thinking? Magenta and an Elephant presumably. Tusk tusk tusk.

As for joe HE is a circus.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2014,13:47   

Winston Ewert, an IDiot, says:

"Intelligent design as a whole combines specified complexity with other arguments to show that evolution did not happen."

Hey wait a second, other IDiots (especially joey) claim that ID is NOT anti-evolution. In fact, IDiots at UD argue that evolution (rather, their distorted version of it) did and does happen and that it was/is guided and/or front-loaded. Of course those same IDiots often say things that show they completely agree with Ewert ("that evolution did not happen"). I guess they have a hard time making up their feeble minds when their feeble minds are filled with two-faced, delusional bullshit.


Check out comment 24 in this thread:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....ference

Maybe the funniest thing in that thread is the disagreement between some of the IDiots.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 15 2014,15:03   

There may not be enough butt-hurt analgesic cream in the entire multi-verse to soothe arrington after he sees this:




http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....ference

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2014,16:25   

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There may not be enough butt-hurt analgesic cream in the entire multi-verse to soothe arrington after he sees this:




http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....ference

As I note here:

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....?p=5168

Barry (and the vast majority of UD) do not understand CSI at all. Kairos focus being the worst offender.

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socle



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2014,16:58   

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Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 15 2014,15:03)
There may not be enough butt-hurt analgesic cream in the entire multi-verse to soothe arrington after he sees this:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....ference

As I note here:

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....?....?p=5168

Barry (and the vast majority of UD) do not understand CSI at all. Kairos focus being the worst offender.

I noticed KF then quickly dropped several bucketfuls of red herrings, designed to distract, lead away, & etc.  To no avail, sadly for him.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2014,19:26   

Want to see some examples of gordo's massive dishonesty and religious insanity, along with bucketfuls of his red herrings, [and strawmen, false accusations, etc.], designed to distract, lead away, & etc.?

First, read these statements by gordo and keep them in mind:

"I never ever said that atheism as proposition was a worldview, but if you have projected that misreading, all else follows, down to the gratuitous (though relatively subtle) ad hominem."

And:

"So, madam, let me be direct, I explicitly deny — having warranted it yet again — that I am: promoting the libel that atheists (or evolutionary materialists) are dangerous amoral nihilists"

Now read these:

http://theidiotsofintelligentdesign.blogspot.com/2012....rd.html

http://theidiotsofintelligentdesign.blogspot.com/2012....-2.html

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2014,23:44   

Barry is lining up his KeithS banning:

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Also, you are a guest on this website. You should make an effort at being polite to your host. Unprovoked insults are bad manners.


Edited by Richardthughes on Nov. 16 2014,23:48

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 16 2014,23:49   

Barry showing folks how to be a good guest on others websites:

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....t-35248

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
"ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard
"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 17 2014,21:18   

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Barry showing folks how to be a good guest on others websites:

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....t....t-35248

Classic no class Barry. Who would ever hire him?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 17 2014,22:27   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 16 2014,23:49)
Barry showing folks how to be a good guest on others websites:

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....t....t-35248

Barry is always affable.  He pioneered SLAP suits against political rivals, suing one opponent for $10,000 for calling him a bully.  As the article says, this "...had an immediate chilling effect on Arrington's foes."  It also earned him an instant nickname.

Nobody reading UD will be surprised.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,00:05   

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Barry showing folks how to be a good guest on others websites:

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....t....t-35248

Barry is always affable.  He pioneered SLAP suits against political rivals, suing one opponent for $10,000 for calling him a bully.  As the article says, this "...had an immediate chilling effect on Arrington's foes."  It also earned him an instant nickname.

Nobody reading UD will be surprised.


"Well-spoken and full of righteous indignation about the state of the world, he utters opinions with the confidence of someone who just knows the truth. Arrington's zeal strikes his critics as smug self-righteousness, but it's intoxicating to many other evangelical Christians."

The more things change, the more they stay the same. Some people overvalue certainty.

He gets a bad rap on the defamation case, though. If you google the names of the parties, you can read an appellate opinion: http://www.cobar.org/opinion....urtid=1 (NB, I don't know if that's the final appeal or if it went to a higher court.)

BA didn't sue on the theory that his political rivals called him a bully. He claimed that they sent out postcards saying that "in the past [Arrington] bullied and physically threatened those who disagreed with him" (emphasis original).

I loathe libel suits. If BA had sued just on the bully language, that would be risible. Claiming that he "physically threatened" someone is different. It's a specific statement that, if false, could definitely be considered defamatory. The court concludes it could be defamation per se, a particularly serious kind of defamation that, in practical terms, ups the damages. I don't know if I agree with that, but it's a reasonable conclusion.

I've only ever been involved in one actual defamation case, and was just a junior associate on the trial team at that, but I've advised several clients on potential defamation claims. I think this claim would have a very good chance of getting past an anti-SLAPP action.

He lost at this level of the court because apparently the postcards made it clear in context that the statements were political hyperbole,  and "should not be taken at face value or viewed as a statement of fact." Without seeing the cards, or knowing anything about the precedent being applied, I don't have an opinion on that. One of the three judges disagreed.

None of this has to do with whether the underlying claims are true. BA lost at the law stage, before anyone had a chance to contest the underlying facts. If he'd won at the law stage, eventually the defendants might have argued that the statement was true and therefore not defamatory. No idea whether there's any fact to the allegations.

I made a similar point a while back. Frankly BA gets a bad rap for this. But he spent all his sympathy points when he made petty and absurd threats towards a poster here and at TSZ. Sorry, I forget who that was--whoever it was that BA advised to retain counsel. That was too pathetic to be actual bullying, but not for lack of trying.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,00:27   

It was me and I have very good council. Barry should stick to debt collecting.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,05:51   

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It was me and I have very good council. Barry should stick to debt collecting.

Lol.

Council's first question to BA in teh dock.

So Mr Arrington is it true your knickname is "bully".

BA: objection ur honor

Judge: the witness can't call points of law from the box answer the question

BA: I'll sue you Mr Judge

Etc etc.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,12:09   

Barry gets his ass kicked, joins Gary Gaulin and Kariosfocus at their day jobs, ensuring the purity of essence of Montserrats.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-for-me

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,14:34   

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Barry gets his ass kicked, joins Gary Gaulin and Kariosfocus at their day jobs, ensuring the purity of essence of Montserrats.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-for-me

Barry has work to do, KF has a constitutional crises to attend to, even some of the ID regulars are agreeing with KeithS. Hilarity!

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,15:59   

UD, right now:


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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,16:09   

FIASC/O is dead! Long live:

Binary
Articulated
Formations
For
Locating
Evolution,
God
And
Butthurt

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,16:26   

batshitcrazy77 continues to destroy the IDiots' claim that ID is strictly scientific, not religious:

81 bornagain77 November 18, 2014 at 3:50 pm

keith s, that’s right! As long as there are people who have a rebellious heart towards God there will always be those who prefer the *ABG hypothesis of Darwinism to anything that smacks of the slightest hint of Design.

*Anything But God

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All science do far!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-529676

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,17:43   

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Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 15 2014,15:03)
There may not be enough butt-hurt analgesic cream in the entire multi-verse to soothe arrington after he sees this:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....ference

As I note here:

http://theskepticalzone.com/wp....?....?p=5168

Barry (and the vast majority of UD) do not understand CSI at all. Kairos focus being the worst offender.

I noticed KF then quickly dropped several bucketfuls of red herrings, designed to distract, lead away, & etc.  To no avail, sadly for him.

It is worse when you consider he is a physicist. Of course physicists can be ignorant of biology, but so utterly ignorant as to not see the problems with Dembski's CSI? So unknowing to not see that his own FIASCO has nothing to do with reality? No, unlike Mapou and Gaulin who are genuinely ignorant and so far gone that in the miasmas of their minds  all their nonsense seems to make perfect sense, a fair bit of KF's shtick is lying, and he is fully aware of it. Probably he justifies it by his conviction that he is right re the big picture so it is okay to lie about the details.  It will all work out in the end, YHWH be praised.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,22:45   

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Of course physicists can be ignorant of biology, but so utterly ignorant as to not see the problems with Dembski's CSI?

Problems? You mean there are problems with CSI beside the fact that nobody ever calculated the CSI of any object and nobody's willing to try? Dembski never made a test run?

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 18 2014,23:49   

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Of course physicists can be ignorant of biology, but so utterly ignorant as to not see the problems with Dembski's CSI?

Problems? You mean there are problems with CSI beside the fact that nobody ever calculated the CSI of any object and nobody's willing to try? Dembski never made a test run?

gpuccio will calculate something. It just has no real world referent.

I think some of the creationists at UD genuinely believe that CSI is real science. KF knows better.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2014,17:50   

This as an insert into one of my UD comments:

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[SNIP-- you know better, strike 1]


Gordon Mullings really must learn more about the rules of baseball. I was banned after one strike.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2014,18:24   

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This as an insert into one of my UD comments:

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[SNIP-- you know better, strike 1]


Gordon Mullings really must learn more about the rules of baseball. I was banned after one strike.

I have come to the conclusion that it is Heir Mullings who is wielding the bannination hammer over at UD. For the last week I have called Barry a liar and a pathetic snivelling coward, with absolutely not response. But I refer to Mullings by his real first name and I am banned.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 19 2014,19:34   

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I loathe libel suits. If BA had sued just on the bully language, that would be risible. Claiming that he "physically threatened" someone is different. It's a specific statement that, if false, could definitely be considered defamatory. The court concludes it could be defamation per se, a particularly serious kind of defamation that, in practical terms, ups the damages. I don't know if I agree with that, but it's a reasonable conclusion.


Thanks for the additional info.  All I'd read about was the bullying charge.  

Personally, I'm much less skeptical of the "physically threatened" charge.  I've been reading Bully on UD for years and know something of his history, especially his involvement with the anti-abortion movement back in the days when threats, harassment and actual murder were their stock in trade.  Given that history and Bully's impulsiveness, lack of intellectual connection to the world and people around him and just plain disturbing personality, I would be very surprised if he'd never physically threatened anybody.

I noticed that the document you referenced makes a point of saying that the "...defendants did not dispute the allegation that their statement was false."  I'm not a lawyer, but it's my understanding that when you have a slam dunk reason for throwing the case out of court, you don't argue anything else since it's not needed and could only hurt you.  I think that's what's going on here.

Given that the original judge ruled against Barry and the appeals court agreed, I think this suit was just intended to harass the defendants and cost them time and money.  Sort of what you'd expect from a bully.  Or from any member of a political party which has been automatically smearing its opponents with charges of treason and gross immorality since at least the McCarthy era.

  
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