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Posted: Nov. 09 2014,13:40

Quote (Richardthughes @ Nov. 09 2014,11:19)

Joe is unbanned:

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Barry Arrington
November 9, 2014 at 1:13 pm
The criticisms in 16 and 18 are fair. My apologies to Joe. He is unbanned but still warned.

Which thread is that in?

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Posted: Nov. 09 2014,20:06

In a return to regular programming DeNews tells us that Austrian-Swiss physicist Wolfgang Pauli has joined the list of famous dead scientists who are, sorry were intelligent design advocates.
Let's see, we have Wallace, Einstein and Pauli who have, post mortem, become ID advocates, for starters. I am sure there are more - anyone care to add to the list?
UD link

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Posted: Nov. 09 2014,20:34

Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 09 2014,20:06)

In a return to regular programming DeNews tells us that Austrian-Swiss physicist Wolfgang Pauli has joined the list of famous dead scientists who are, sorry were intelligent design advocates.
Let's see, we have Wallace, Einstein and Pauli who have, post mortem, become ID advocates, for starters. I am sure there are more - anyone care to add to the list?
UD link

Edit: I was going to say Wallace. How embarrassing.

Edited by midwifetoad on Nov. 09 2014,20:35

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Posted: Nov. 10 2014,01:30

Quote (midwifetoad @ Nov. 10 2014,02:34)

Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 09 2014,20:06)

In a return to regular programming DeNews tells us that Austrian-Swiss physicist Wolfgang Pauli has joined the list of famous dead scientists who are, sorry were intelligent design advocates.
Let's see, we have Wallace, Einstein and Pauli who have, post mortem, become ID advocates, for starters. I am sure there are more - anyone care to add to the list?
UD link

Edit: I was going to say Wallace. How embarrassing.

I heard that posthumous conversion was a favorite technique of the Mormon church.

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Posted: Nov. 10 2014,20:34

Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 09 2014,20:06)

In a return to regular programming DeNews tells us that Austrian-Swiss physicist Wolfgang Pauli has joined the list of famous dead scientists who are, sorry were intelligent design advocates.
Let's see, we have Wallace, Einstein and Pauli who have, post mortem, become ID advocates, for starters. I am sure there are more - anyone care to add to the list?
UD link

May I suggest for UD links to use donotlink.com? For example, the previous link would be UD link

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Posted: Nov. 10 2014,20:47

Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 09 2014,19:06)

In a return to regular programming DeNews tells us that Austrian-Swiss physicist Wolfgang Pauli has joined the list of famous dead scientists who are, sorry were intelligent design advocates.
Let's see, we have Wallace, Einstein and Pauli who have, post mortem, become ID advocates, for starters. I am sure there are more - anyone care to add to the list?
UD link

So has somebody been doing a bunch of seances, or what?

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Posted: Nov. 10 2014,22:09

Sometimes I wonder if Byers is even aware of what he writes. This is from the Salon Mag on Darwin ... thread:

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2 Robert Byers November 10, 2014 at 12:40 am

If one can accept the crazy, but true, story of christ then why not genesis??
Christian evolutionists must base their evolution acceptance on hard and fast evidence since they reject the bible which is the source for their Christianity.

Yeah! If you can believe Jesus is the son of God who came to earth to get killed so his Father could save a few people from the eternity in Hell he condemned them to because of something somebody else did 6,000 years ago, then why not believe in Genesis too?

He's right about science relying on hard and fast evidence. Too bad religion can't do the same.

Edited by CeilingCat on Nov. 10 2014,22:22

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Posted: Nov. 10 2014,22:18

News asks, How is Bill Dembski’s Being as Communion doing?

Well, it got him fired from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.

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Posted: Nov. 11 2014,01:33

Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 10 2014,22:18)

News asks, How is Bill Dembski’s Being as Communion doing?

Well, it got him fired from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Hopefully, Mrs. News will use the links I've provided. Especially, I am looking forward to the graphics on the development of paperback and kindle sales ranks.

ETA: Unfortunately, the donotlink link I've added will not direct to my comment. Here you'll find it via tinyurl

Edited by sparc on Nov. 11 2014,02:15

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Posted: Nov. 11 2014,08:30

Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 11 2014,06:18)

News asks, How is Bill Dembski’s Being as Communion doing?

Well, it got him fired from Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Only because the creotards there spanked his ass for questioning the Ark.
Jesus, Noah and Mary where would that slippery slope like lead to? Some stinky drain somewhere probably.

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Posted: Nov. 11 2014,09:32

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Yeah! If you can believe Jesus is the son of God who came to earth to get killed so his Father could save a few people from the eternity in Hell he condemned them to because of something somebody else did 6,000 years ago, then why not believe in Genesis too?

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Posted: Nov. 11 2014,13:47

Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 10 2014,21:09)

Yeah! If you can believe Jesus is the son of God who came to earth to get killed so his Father could save a few people from the eternity in Hell he condemned them to because of something somebody else did 6,000 years ago, then why not believe in Genesis too?

BECAUSE, that's why!!!11!!eleven!!!!

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Posted: Nov. 11 2014,17:45

Dense and Bleary, the UD News correspondent posted a few items about the bystanders who tried to save the honour guard for the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier who was killed a couple weeks ago. Very inspiring stories. But then she finished off with this little turf:

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You heard it somewhere ELSE first, right, that nobody helps (the selfish gene and all that)…

What a piece of shit she is.

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Posted: Nov. 11 2014,19:26

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Nov. 11 2014,17:45)

Dense and Bleary, the UD News correspondent posted a few items about the bystanders who tried to save the honour guard for the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier who was killed a couple weeks ago. Very inspiring stories. But then she finished off with this little turf:

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You heard it somewhere ELSE first, right, that nobody helps (the selfish gene and all that)…

What a piece of shit she is.

Looks like she still misunderstands the term "selfish gene" as "the gene for selfishness".

I would think that DeNews and her ilk would embrace such a notion. They're always talking about how humans are essentially evil, and that in the absence of religion, we revert to a savage materialist state.

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Posted: Nov. 11 2014,21:00

I once thought (for about one message) that Mung might be a lot smarter than he lets on and that he's only pretending to be dense. That belief proved to be untenable because he provides so much evidence to the contrary:

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Why don’t trillions of bacteria have eyes, if an eye can so easily evolve from a light-sensitive spot? Bacteria lack any way to sense light?

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I will lie quietly now and think of vast swarms of prehistoric eyeballs swimming in an ancient sea, each attached to one bacteria.

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Posted: Nov. 11 2014,21:50

Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 12 2014,02:00)

I once thought (for about one message) that Mung might be a lot smarter than he lets on and that he's only pretending to be dense. That belief proved to be untenable because he provides so much evidence to the contrary:

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Why don’t trillions of bacteria have eyes, if an eye can so easily evolve from a light-sensitive spot? Bacteria lack any way to sense light?

Link

I will lie quietly now and think of vast swarms of prehistoric eyeballs swimming in an ancient sea, each attached to one bacteria.

Ha ha. I might take back my comment in Joe's thread about Mung being smarter than Joe.

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Posted: Nov. 11 2014,22:06

With huge flagella to provide the propulsion. Don't forget that.

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Posted: Nov. 12 2014,01:18

Quote (CeilingCat @ Nov. 11 2014,19:00)

I once thought (for about one message) that Mung might be a lot smarter than he lets on and that he's only pretending to be dense. That belief proved to be untenable because he provides so much evidence to the contrary:

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Why don’t trillions of bacteria have eyes, if an eye can so easily evolve from a light-sensitive spot? Bacteria lack any way to sense light?

Link

I will lie quietly now and think of vast swarms of prehistoric eyeballs swimming in an ancient sea, each attached to one bacteria.

I spy with my quintillions of little bacteri-eyes...

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Posted: Nov. 12 2014,05:09

Fifthmonarchyman:

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By objective I mean that my standard is exactly the same for different objects.

CSI is an objective measure!

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Posted: Nov. 12 2014,17:00

Quote (Driver @ Nov. 12 2014,13:09)

Fifthmonarchyman:

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By objective I mean that my standard is exactly the same for different objects.

CSI is an objective measure!

link

I object that!

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Posted: Nov. 13 2014,03:19

Quote (Driver @ Nov. 12 2014,05:09)

Fifthmonarchyman:

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By objective I mean that my standard is exactly the same for different objects.

CSI is an objective measure!

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So it can't be subjected to testing then.

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Posted: Nov. 13 2014,10:47

I see that Mr Arrington has posted a "modest thought experiment", which concludes

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Now, choose the entity below that most closely fits the description:

1. The multiverse.
2. God.
3. Both of the above (i.e., the description fits both A and B perfectly).

(The number/letter labelling mistake might actually be WordPress getting in on the act.)

I do rather think that Mr A has managed to equivalence theology and speculative cosmology. Is this a category error?

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Posted: Nov. 13 2014,11:06

Quote (KevinB @ Nov. 13 2014,11:47)

I see that Mr Arrington has posted a "modest thought experiment", which concludes

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Now, choose the entity below that most closely fits the description:

1. The multiverse.
2. God.
3. Both of the above (i.e., the description fits both A and B perfectly).

(The number/letter labelling mistake might actually be WordPress getting in on the act.)

I do rather think that Mr A has managed to equivalence theology and speculative cosmology. Is this a category error?

Yes, at least for most definitions of 'God' -- and certainly for those definitions that seem to be preferred by ID cultists.

The category error is at least between things that exhibit purposeful agency and things that do not. There are probably quite a few more.

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Posted: Nov. 13 2014,12:20

This thread is pretty entertaining. If you don't want to read the whole thread, start at comment 298:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-528105

Better look soon because arrington's ban-hammer is probably being prepared for action. :)

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Posted: Nov. 13 2014,13:30

Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 13 2014,12:20)

This thread is pretty entertaining. If you don't want to read the whole thread, start at comment 298:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-528105

Better look soon because arrington's ban-hammer is probably being prepared for action. :)

Reality hurts, indeed.

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360 Barry Arrington November 13, 2014 at 12:57 pm

Reality @ 357. Rant noted.

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Posted: Nov. 13 2014,17:39

Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 14 2014,05:20)

This thread is pretty entertaining. If you don't want to read the whole thread, start at comment 298:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-528105

Better look soon because arrington's ban-hammer is probably being prepared for action. :)

I see this comment at 377 from PaV:

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keith s:

I have a degree in biology from UCLA.

...is getting a few laughs down-thread.

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Posted: Nov. 13 2014,20:30

Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 13 2014,15:39)

Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 14 2014,05:20)

This thread is pretty entertaining. If you don't want to read the whole thread, start at comment 298:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-528105

Better look soon because arrington's ban-hammer is probably being prepared for action. :)

I see this comment at 377 from PaV:

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keith s:

I have a degree in biology from UCLA.

...is getting a few laughs down-thread.

Yeah, he's getting a good pounding there (not that he will learn anything from it). What a waste of a college education.

But wait, on further consideration I doubt that PaV ever spent a day in an actual college. By "UCLA" he probably meant University of Christian Loony Apologetics, or University of Creationist Liars and Assholes.

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Posted: Nov. 13 2014,21:20

Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 13 2014,20:30)

Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 13 2014,15:39)

Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 14 2014,05:20)

This thread is pretty entertaining. If you don't want to read the whole thread, start at comment 298:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-528105

Better look soon because arrington's ban-hammer is probably being prepared for action. :)

I see this comment at 377 from PaV:

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keith s:

I have a degree in biology from UCLA.

...is getting a few laughs down-thread.

Yeah, he's getting a good pounding there (not that he will learn anything from it). What a waste of a college education.

But wait, on further consideration I doubt that PaV ever spent a day in an actual college. By "UCLA" he probably meant University of Christian Loony Apologetics, or University of Creationist Liars and Assholes.

Given the IDiots' track record on these things, he might mean that he talked about biology once in a room he rented from UCLA.

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Posted: Nov. 13 2014,21:47

The sheer decimation caused by Keith, Zach and REC there is impressive. They're gonna need big tubes of butthurt cream there after the bannings.

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Posted: Nov. 14 2014,00:14

Quote (Ptaylor @ Nov. 13 2014,15:39)

Quote (The whole truth @ Nov. 14 2014,05:20)

This thread is pretty entertaining. If you don't want to read the whole thread, start at comment 298:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-528105

Better look soon because arrington's ban-hammer is probably being prepared for action. :)

I see this comment at 377 from PaV:

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keith s:

I have a degree in biology from UCLA.

...is getting a few laughs down-thread.

... and he never let it go to his head. (rimshot)

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