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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,23:20   

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So what, if not mass, makes our universe the size that it is?

you seem to be alleging that universe size is a function of mass. Can you elaborate on what the function is?

Answer my question and I will get to yours.

so you can't. not surprised.

So YOU can't. Why am I not surprised

I can talk about the friedmann equations, stress-energy tensors, scalar fields of vacuum energy all you want, but I want to know what you imagine is the size=f(mass) function. Since the universe is expanding, do you believe the total mass is increasing? Or do you think the energy density of empty space is decreasing in accordance with conservation of E? since mass and energy are proportional, if you're right that the size of the universe is proportional to mass, it must be proportional to the vacuum energy of space, right? so is the vacuum energy of space determined, or not? also, how does your function deal with the Vacuum Catastrophe?

The mass isn't increasing. The mass is what is feeding the expansion. No mass no expansion.

That is why I asked- So what, if not mass, makes our universe the size that it is?

Can there be a universe of nothing? How would you know?

The cream of ID scientists, Joe Gallien.  Darwin was wrong,  Cantor was wrong, every physicist and cosmologist ever was wrong.

Does any small part of you suspect you are actually the hilarious moron we hold you to be, or is that just a Darwinist conspiracy?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,02:52   

Joe G said:
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The mass is what is feeding the expansion.


Please explain the process of feeding.

If I understand Newton's theory of gravity, mass is what makes objects attract each other. Wouldn't the universe collapse because of gravity?

Seems to me a force is required to fuel expansion.

Like energy stored in the mass in the same way that explosives are capable of imparting energy to artillery shells, making them fly several kilometers before the gravitational pull of the Earth makes them come down to rest again. (We ignore the effect of the shell pulling the earth.)

Or something else, but mass alone is not an explanation.

Now please explain the role of mass in the expansion of the universe. If all mass is running away from all other mass, making the universe expand, why doesn't the gravitational pull cause retardation until the expansion is halted and the universe start to collapse due to gravvitational pull, the "Big Crunch" that used to be a hypothesis of how the expansion someday would slow down to a halt?

Except that today, we know that the expansion, contrary to common sense, actually is speeding up!

Do your theory of cosmology consider the possible effect of black energy and black matter?

Is there a possibility that you are talking about things you do not understand?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,07:29   

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Joe G said:  
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The mass is what is feeding the expansion.


Please explain the process of feeding.

If I understand Newton's theory of gravity, mass is what makes objects attract each other. Wouldn't the universe collapse because of gravity?

Seems to me a force is required to fuel expansion.

Like energy stored in the mass in the same way that explosives are capable of imparting energy to artillery shells, making them fly several kilometers before the gravitational pull of the Earth makes them come down to rest again. (We ignore the effect of the shell pulling the earth.)

Or something else, but mass alone is not an explanation.

Now please explain the role of mass in the expansion of the universe. If all mass is running away from all other mass, making the universe expand, why doesn't the gravitational pull cause retardation until the expansion is halted and the universe start to collapse due to gravvitational pull, the "Big Crunch" that used to be a hypothesis of how the expansion someday would slow down to a halt?

Except that today, we know that the expansion, contrary to common sense, actually is speeding up!

Do your theory of cosmology consider the possible effect of black energy and black matter?

Is there a possibility that you are talking about things you do not understand?

Thank God for Google just type in "Why is etc." And keep in mind Dave tards trap. Gravity is the weakest force in teh university.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,09:02   

In God's name where has Joe gone? Has he done a Sal? Or a Ghost Of Paley? Or all the other clones of ID dimwits?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2014,02:55   

Hey joey, you've claimed many times that there's a difference between intelligent design and "nature operating freely", and that nature cannot have created nature, and that a designer (aka creator-god-allah-yhwh-jesus-holy-ghost) designed (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) nature, and that unguided evolution can only produce diseases and deformities, and that there's no such thing as unguided evolution. and that organisms have built in (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) responses to environmental cues, and that organisms are designed (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) to evolve, and that the way organisms (and everything else in nature) were originally designed (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) guides/determines how they evolve, and that unguided evolution only destroys things. Of course you've claimed many other things and yeah, there are some glaring contradictions in your claims.

You also claim that you and your fellow IDiot-creationists can, using your ID tools-tests-methods-algorithms-experiments, reliably and scientifically describe-define-determine-calculate-measure-verify CSI-IC-intelligent design (i.e. design-creation-front-loading) in nature, and that you have done so well beyond the point at which all scientists, educators, and law makers should discard and outlaw evolutionary theory and other scientific theories and replace them with 'ID theory'.

So, joey, describe-define-determine-calculate-measure-verify the CSI-dFSCI-FSCO/I, including 'irreducible complexity' and other intelligent design stuff, in an aardvark, a dandelion, a bird, a one day old human, one of the arachnids that lives on your face, and a disease and a deformity for comparison to unguided biological evolution.

Also describe-define-determine-calculate-measure-verify the CSI-dFSCI-FSCO/I, including 'irreducible complexity' (IC) and other intelligent design stuff, in/of a galaxy, this universe, a rock, an ice age, gravity, Jupiter's weather, and the position of Earth in this universe.

Based on your claims and the claims of your fellow IDiot-creationists it should be easy. Ask them for help if you need it. Show your work.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2014,05:39   

Quote (The whole truth @ Oct. 27 2014,10:55)
Hey joey, you've claimed many times that there's a difference between intelligent design and "nature operating freely", and that nature cannot have created nature, and that a designer (aka creator-god-allah-yhwh-jesus-holy-ghost) designed (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) nature, and that unguided evolution can only produce diseases and deformities, and that there's no such thing as unguided evolution. and that organisms have built in (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) responses to environmental cues, and that organisms are designed (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) to evolve, and that the way organisms (and everything else in nature) were originally designed (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) guides/determines how they evolve, and that unguided evolution only destroys things. Of course you've claimed many other things and yeah, there are some glaring contradictions in your claims.

You also claim that you and your fellow IDiot-creationists can, using your ID tools-tests-methods-algorithms-experiments, reliably and scientifically describe-define-determine-calculate-measure-verify CSI-IC-intelligent design (i.e. design-creation-front-loading) in nature, and that you have done so well beyond the point at which all scientists, educators, and law makers should discard and outlaw evolutionary theory and other scientific theories and replace them with 'ID theory'.

So, joey, describe-define-determine-calculate-measure-verify the CSI-dFSCI-FSCO/I, including 'irreducible complexity' and other intelligent design stuff, in an aardvark, a dandelion, a bird, a one day old human, one of the arachnids that lives on your face, and a disease and a deformity for comparison to unguided biological evolution.

Also describe-define-determine-calculate-measure-verify the CSI-dFSCI-FSCO/I, including 'irreducible complexity' (IC) and other intelligent design stuff, in/of a galaxy, this universe, a rock, an ice age, gravity, Jupiter's weather, and the position of Earth in this universe.

Based on your claims and the claims of your fellow IDiot-creationists it should be easy. Ask them for help if you need it. Show your work.

NOT FAIR HOMO! WHERE ARE THE MULTIPLE CHOICE ANSWERS?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2014,05:46   

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Hey joey, you've claimed many times that there's a difference between intelligent design and "nature operating freely", and that nature cannot have created nature, and that a designer (aka creator-god-allah-yhwh-jesus-holy-ghost) designed (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) nature, and that unguided evolution can only produce diseases and deformities, and that there's no such thing as unguided evolution. and that organisms have built in (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) responses to environmental cues, and that organisms are designed (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) to evolve, and that the way organisms (and everything else in nature) were originally designed (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) guides/determines how they evolve, and that unguided evolution only destroys things. Of course you've claimed many other things and yeah, there are some glaring contradictions in your claims.

You also claim that you and your fellow IDiot-creationists can, using your ID tools-tests-methods-algorithms-experiments, reliably and scientifically describe-define-determine-calculate-measure-verify CSI-IC-intelligent design (i.e. design-creation-front-loading) in nature, and that you have done so well beyond the point at which all scientists, educators, and law makers should discard and outlaw evolutionary theory and other scientific theories and replace them with 'ID theory'.

So, joey, describe-define-determine-calculate-measure-verify the CSI-dFSCI-FSCO/I, including 'irreducible complexity' and other intelligent design stuff, in an aardvark, a dandelion, a bird, a one day old human, one of the arachnids that lives on your face, and a disease and a deformity for comparison to unguided biological evolution.

Also describe-define-determine-calculate-measure-verify the CSI-dFSCI-FSCO/I, including 'irreducible complexity' (IC) and other intelligent design stuff, in/of a galaxy, this universe, a rock, an ice age, gravity, Jupiter's weather, and the position of Earth in this universe.

Based on your claims and the claims of your fellow IDiot-creationists it should be easy. Ask them for help if you need it. Show your work.

NOT FAIR HOMO! WHERE ARE THE MULTIPLE CHOICE ANSWERS?

LOL!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2014,09:01   

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In God's name where has Joe gone? Has he done a Sal? Or a Ghost Of Paley? Or all the other clones of ID dimwits?

Working with tensors,  a watermelon, and an elastic band. Joe is aiming to present his equation on the same day Paul Nelson gives us his theory of ID. Double science whammy.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2014,10:59   

Hey joey, just in case you've forgotten, you said this:

IDists- “We have a step-by-step process for helping us differentiate between nature, operating freely and that which is intelligently designed.”

Evo- “Until you have a step-by-step process of how the design was implemented you don’t have anything.”

IDists- “The how comes after we have already determined design exists.”

Evo- “Who is the designer? Who designed your designer?”

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In comment 582 of the Bomb thread at UD.

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Well then joey, please demonstrate your step-by-step process for helping you IDiot-creationists "differentiate between nature, operating freely and that which is intelligently designed". Demonstrate your process on the things that I listed in my previous comment (an aardvark, a galaxy, etc.)

And since you and the other IDiot-creationists have adamantly claimed for many years to have already determined that design exists, tell me how the design was implemented, and include when and where. I already know the names of the imaginary 'who' that you believe is the supernatural-designer-creator-god but if you want to admit it openly and honestly that would be nice.

One more thing for now, joey: Do any of the other IDiot-creationists agree with your claims regarding "nature, operating freely" (including your disease and deformity claim)?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 27 2014,13:52   

Have some bonus Joe falling over himself:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism....n-egypt

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 28 2014,08:08   

Hey joey, over at UD in the Bomb thread you said:

"There isn’t a ToE you loser. And the timeline and mechanism evolutionism proposes are jokes. For one the mechanism is impotent and the timeline is made-up."

What is the potent mechanism and correct timeline, according to your ID-creation beliefs? Are the bible-koran and von Däniken's books the source for what you believe are the potent mechanism and the correct timeline? Don't skimp on the details.

"ID is based on observations. Its claims can be tested and potentially falsified."

Then test it on all the things that I listed above (aardvark, galaxy, etc.) and show your work. By "observations", do you mean 'It looks designed to me so allah and aliens did it.'?

"The only problem with the EF is it relies on the knowledge of the people using it."

Then show your extensive knowledge of the EF (explanatory filter) by demonstrating it on all the things that I listed above (dandelion, Jupiter's weather, etc.) and show your work.

Alan Fox said (regarding the theory of evolution): "There’s an enormous amount of literature available from Darwin’s Origin of Species (available now on-line) to research papers, articles and popular books. you have Jerry Coyne’s book Why Evolution is True, you have Dawkins, Neil Shubin."

And you replied: "All lies and untestable nonsense, Alan. Scientific theories are published in peer-reviewed journals. Or are you too ignorant to understand that?

Evolutionism is too vague to be a theory. Deal with that you loser."

joey, since you reject and denigrate scientific theories unless they're published in peer reviewed journals, will you please direct me to where the much touted 'theory of ID' (LOL) is published in peer reviewed journals? After all, if the 'theory of ID' (LOL) isn't published in peer reviewed journals it must be "All lies and untestable nonsense", right?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2014,06:17   

Hey joey, here are more things you've recently said at UD:

"And nested hierarchies are just one way we try to classify things. They are purely artificial constructs."

What about creationist baraminology, joey? Is it a purely artificial construct? Please explain in detail how creationist baraminology is a better way to classify things than a nested hierarchy and other scientific ways.

"We know unguided evolution exists and we know it causes disease and deformities. We know it is not capable of producing the diversity of life."

And:

"The alleged scientific community is just a bunch of losers who couldn’t support the claims of their position if their lives depended on it."

And:

"Pope:

The “Big Bang” and evolution are not only consistent with biblical teachings, Pope Francis told a Vatican gathering – they are essential to understanding God.

[joey]: Yes today’s humans evolved from the Created humans. Today’s organisms evolved from the originally Created organisms."


joey, your mish-mash of christian-islamic-etcetera YEC beliefs are showing more and more. You don't agree with the scientifically determined old age of the Earth, and the Old Earth timeline of evolution. You call the "alleged" scientific community a bunch of losers, you obviously believe that only you and your fellow IDiot-creationists are scientific, you promote creationist kinds-baraminology, claim that humans and other organisms were originally "Created" (capital C),  disagree with scientific classification methods, disagree with scientific evidence and theory of common ancestry-descent, disagree with scientific evidence and theory of unguided evolution of the diversity of life, obviously hate methodological naturalism and uniformitarianism, insist that the fossil record is worthless or fraudulent, insist that there are not and never have been any transitional life forms, promote the biblical-koranic flood, promote immateriality-supernaturality, rely on and promote other YECs, demand that scientists provide evidence-proof of 'natural origins', and you insist that the diversity of life (i.e. all life throughout time) was/is designed (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) by 'The Intelligent Designer' (i.e. god-allah-yhwh-jesus-holy-ghost).

You also show your strong belief in the alleged 'curse' put on everything by 'God' because of the 'fall' of adam and eve by your insistence that unguided evolution (which you often deny exists) is the cause of diseases, deformities, and many other other destructive things, which is a strange insistence from you since some life forms (e.g. some bacteria and parasites) cause many diseases and deformities. Don't you claim that ALL life forms were/are 'designed' (i.e. designed-created-front-loaded) by 'The Intelligent Designer'?  

Come on, joey, admit openly and honestly that you're a full blown YEC.



ETA: a couple more UD comments by joey and some words to my response.

Edited by The whole truth on Oct. 29 2014,05:30

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2014,08:55   

Perhaps joey could give us a quick scientific explanation why Jesus gave us Ebola. Include bats and the RNA stuff.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2014,10:09   

Joe G in a nutshell:

"We", meaning Joe G, knows all about how it is and how it isn't.

The scientific community is just a bunch of losers. They are stupid enough to risk other peoples lives by sending them to the moon, and creating unreliable devices that most likely are going to cause the death og people if they are stupid enough to trust that bunch of losers.

Look how happy Joe G is, he wouldn' trust a scientist if his life depended on it.

Edited by Quack on Oct. 29 2014,15:24

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2014,13:45   

Quote (Quack @ Oct. 29 2014,16:09)
Joe G in a nutshell:

"We", meaning Joe G, knows all about how it is and how it isn't.

The scientific community is just a bunch of losers. They are stuoid enough to risk other peoples lives ny sending them to the moon, and creating unreliable devices that most likely are going to cause the death og people if they are stupid enough to trust that bunch of losers.

Like toasters?

This is why the world needs real *ahem* technicians to fix them!

PS: Did you realise that 'CSI' stands for 'Caught Slice Internally'?

This gives an entirely new depth to Dembski's work.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2014,14:01   

Quote (Amadan @ Oct. 29 2014,11:45)
Quote (Quack @ Oct. 29 2014,16:09)
Joe G in a nutshell:

"We", meaning Joe G, knows all about how it is and how it isn't.

The scientific community is just a bunch of losers. They are stuoid enough to risk other peoples lives ny sending them to the moon, and creating unreliable devices that most likely are going to cause the death og people if they are stupid enough to trust that bunch of losers.

Like toasters?

This is why the world needs real *ahem* technicians to fix them!

PS: Did you realise that 'CSI' stands for 'Caught Slice Internally'?

This gives an entirely new depth to Dembski's work.

Crumbs Stuck Inside, heretic!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2014,15:20   

Empty space.

Edited by Quack on Oct. 29 2014,15:25

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2014,15:57   

velikovskys: "How does one compute the probability of a specific designer?"

toaster boy joey: "Perhaps the same way we compute the probability of a designer for Stonehenge."

I'd really like to see joey actually answer velikovskys' question (and all the other questions put to him). velikovskys didn't ask how does one compute the probability of "a" designer for something that is already known to be designed, such as Stonehenge. velikovskys asked how does one compute the probability of a "specific" designer and I'm sure that he meant a specific designer of life and its diversity (and the entire universe?).

Hey cowardly joey, answer velikovskys' question and all the other questions you've run away from.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 29 2014,20:37   

Christ joey is a Tard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 30 2014,18:10   

Important mathematics update from Joe (UD link):
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Pushing 1400 comments and still no theory of evolution…

Largest known number >= 1400.  Good to know.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2014,10:20   

"1573 Joe November 2, 2014 at 6:30 am

As an engineer I know that keith s is full of it. And I have proven it."


Yeah, joey is an engineer when he plays with his Thomas the tank engine train set.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2014,13:38   

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Fishy bite. Heh.

I like the claim about moving the sun making it act like a black hole. Joe, will you show your calculations proving the "black hole effect" or will you dazzle us with your inspired retorts?

Or just run away for a bit?

Show me where I made that claim

I'm asking for your calculations to show that if the sun were "moved into the space of the orbit of Mars" everything would fall into it.

Show me where I made that claim.

Here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2014,14:44   

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Fishy bite. Heh.

I like the claim about moving the sun making it act like a black hole. Joe, will you show your calculations proving the "black hole effect" or will you dazzle us with your inspired retorts?

Or just run away for a bit?

Show me where I made that claim

I'm asking for your calculations to show that if the sun were "moved into the space of the orbit of Mars" everything would fall into it.

Show me where I made that claim.

Here.

Such gibberish:

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Put the Sun in the space of say the orbit of Mars and all of a sudden its mass overwhelms that relatively small area which would cause a “black hole effect”, meaning everything would fall into it.


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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2014,21:14   

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Fishy bite. Heh.

I like the claim about moving the sun making it act like a black hole. Joe, will you show your calculations proving the "black hole effect" or will you dazzle us with your inspired retorts?

Or just run away for a bit?

Show me where I made that claim

I'm asking for your calculations to show that if the sun were "moved into the space of the orbit of Mars" everything would fall into it.

Show me where I made that claim.

Here.

Such gibberish:

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Put the Sun in the space of say the orbit of Mars and all of a sudden its mass overwhelms that relatively small area which would cause a “black hole effect”, meaning everything would fall into it.

Breathtaking. Joe is one LYING WEASEL never mind clueless tard. He has all the intelligence of rock and the integrity of a low grade criminal.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2014,21:35   

Well, if the sun was suddenly moved into the orbit of a planet while the planet happened to be approaching* that point of its orbit, then yeah. At least for that planet.

Course, if the planet was at that time on the other side of its orbit, then it would simply wind up with a different orbit, one that I suspect would be rather elliptical since at the time of the disruption it would suddenly have more than the speed of a circular orbit at the new distance (i.e., at the time of the change that would become the closest part of its new orbit).

Henry

*(Or near that point in its orbit but moving away from it, i.e., straight "up" or nearly so, but at less than escape velocity.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 02 2014,22:39   

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Put the Sun in the space of say the orbit of Mars and all of a sudden its mass overwhelms that relatively small area which would cause a “black hole effect”, meaning everything would fall into it.

Does he mean... "gravity"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2014,06:40   

Quote (Driver @ Nov. 02 2014,13:38)
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 24 2014,12:35)
 
Quote (Driver @ Oct. 23 2014,03:12)
 
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Quote (Driver @ Oct. 21 2014,05:19)
Fishy bite. Heh.

I like the claim about moving the sun making it act like a black hole. Joe, will you show your calculations proving the "black hole effect" or will you dazzle us with your inspired retorts?

Or just run away for a bit?

Show me where I made that claim

I'm asking for your calculations to show that if the sun were "moved into the space of the orbit of Mars" everything would fall into it.

Show me where I made that claim.

Here.

Umm that wasn't about moving the Sun to Mars' orbit. It pertains to the mass of the Sun being such that its diameter was that of the orbit of Mars.

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2014,06:41   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 24 2014,12:43)
For your amusement:

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JoeOctober 24, 2014 at 11:13 am
rich, why are you such a liar? Metabolism? Really? Metabolism with RNAs? Really?

What an ignorant cupcake you are, rich.

The SAME functionality. The new variants could just do it faster.

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JoeOctober 24, 2014 at 11:15 am
Someone come help me stitch my side shut, please. Rich owes me a new keyboard and monitor.

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richOctober 24, 2014 at 11:19 am
Joe, write your angry letter to “Nature”:

http://www.nature.com/subject....abolism

Get an adult to help you with the stamp, address and envelope.

ID – so happy he’s one of yours ;)

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JoeOctober 24, 2014 at 11:24 am
Well rich, there still wasn’t any new functionality, even Joyce said that in his interview in SciAm. And it wasn’t self-replication.

True, I was unaware they redefined metabolism, but you are still wrong on all the other counts.

They could out-compete by using the same function, just faster. Still stands.

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drc466October 24, 2014 at 11:24 am
AF @ 288,

1 – Uncontroversial. Also unhelpful to evolution – proving you can take existing function and mix/match to get new variations on existing functions, doesn’t help you get new functions.
4 – No, I’m satisfied w/ my phrasing. I eagerly wait your disproof.
5 – Rich’s link in 286 will serve. Or any major human innovation in the last 5000 years.

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richOctober 24, 2014 at 11:25 am
But Joe – your sides! Your keyboard!

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JoeOctober 24, 2014 at 11:26 am
RNA metabolism refers to any events in the life cycle of ribonucleic acid (RNA) molecules, including their synthesis, folding/unfolding, modification, processing and degradation.

Their synthesis was artificial.

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JoeOctober 24, 2014 at 11:27 am
rich, my side and keyboard went after your first post on the subject.

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JoeOctober 24, 2014 at 11:29 am
Strange that everything I am reading on RNA metabolism refers to what goes on onside a cell…

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richOctober 24, 2014 at 11:29 am
And it took you until post 294 to register it. Perhaps you need a faster metabolism to be competitive?

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richOctober 24, 2014 at 11:31 am
That’s an impressive 4 minutes of reading, Joe
(Less commentating time).

LoL! RichTATD pulls shit from his mouth, gets exposed as an ignorant ass and he thinks that somehow reflects poorly on me?

Amazing...

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2014,06:43   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 27 2014,13:52)
Have some bonus Joe falling over himself:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/atheism....n-egypt

LoL! I am proving that you are an imbecile, Rich. That is hardly falling over myself.

Wow

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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 03 2014,06:49   

Quote (Joe G @ Nov. 03 2014,14:40)
Quote (Driver @ Nov. 02 2014,13:38)
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 24 2014,12:35)
 
Quote (Driver @ Oct. 23 2014,03:12)
   
Quote (Joe G @ Oct. 21 2014,14:48)
   
Quote (Driver @ Oct. 21 2014,05:19)
Fishy bite. Heh.

I like the claim about moving the sun making it act like a black hole. Joe, will you show your calculations proving the "black hole effect" or will you dazzle us with your inspired retorts?

Or just run away for a bit?

Show me where I made that claim

I'm asking for your calculations to show that if the sun were "moved into the space of the orbit of Mars" everything would fall into it.

Show me where I made that claim.

Here.

Umm that wasn't about moving the Sun to Mars' orbit. It pertains to the mass of the Sun being such that its diameter was that of the orbit of Mars.

Joe do you even know what mass and diameter are?

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