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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,00:02   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 22 2014,15:14)
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UD Announces General Amnesty
October 21, 2014 Posted by Barry Arrington

Today UD editors completely deleted both their “banned” list and their “comment moderation” list. Anyone in the world with access to the internet is currently free to comment on the site.

I (i.e., Barry Arrington) am almost certainly going to regret this decision and sooner rather than later. There were hundreds of trolls trapped in the “banned” and “moderation” queues. Frankly, images of this scene from Ghostbusters went through my mind as a pressed the “release” button.


WTF???

Last throw of the dice?

OMG, I was able to log in. What do I do now?

Ask joe g for his opinion of your version of ID 'theory'. Ask all the others too.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,00:13   

I normally just ask for an opinion, somewhat like that. It might be a good idea, maybe.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,00:28   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Oct. 22 2014,18:01)
Actually, Gary's usual schtick of challenging everyone to bow to his gibberish or produce "better" gibberish showing the same thing he's claiming should work.

Too bad I'm prohibited from having popcorn.

I'll have yours. This looks promising.

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The whole truth



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,02:50   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 22 2014,22:13)
I normally just ask for an opinion, somewhat like that. It might be a good idea, maybe.

Go for it. What have you got to lose? You could even ask arrington, gordo mullings (kairosfocus), or v.j. torley to devote a thread to examining/reviewing your 'theory'. I would think that the IDers there should be very interested in every version of ID 'theory', so I don't see any legitimate reason for them turning you down.

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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,11:11   

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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 22 2014,22:13)
I normally just ask for an opinion, somewhat like that. It might be a good idea, maybe.

Go for it. What have you got to lose? You could even ask arrington, gordo mullings (kairosfocus), or v.j. torley to devote a thread to examining/reviewing your 'theory'. I would think that the IDers there should be very interested in every version of ID 'theory', so I don't see any legitimate reason for them turning you down.

Gary will never post his "theory" at UD.

His attention whore disorder attributes being rejected by "bullies" a form of confirmation he is correct. That's why he only posts in real-science real science forums.

Being rejected by the ID community Gary supposedly belongs to would shatter the overblown image he has of himself, at long last rendering his pathetic life utterly meaningless. He would then have to face the undeniable truth he has wasted decades of time on worthless, soon-to-be-forgotten crap.

It would be more than he could handle.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,18:41   

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Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 22 2014,22:13)
I normally just ask for an opinion, somewhat like that. It might be a good idea, maybe.

Go for it. What have you got to lose? You could even ask arrington, gordo mullings (kairosfocus), or v.j. torley to devote a thread to examining/reviewing your 'theory'. I would think that the IDers there should be very interested in every version of ID 'theory', so I don't see any legitimate reason for them turning you down.

Gary will never post his "theory" at UD.

His attention whore disorder attributes being rejected by "bullies" a form of confirmation he is correct. That's why he only posts in real-science real science forums.

Being rejected by the ID community Gary supposedly belongs to would shatter the overblown image he has of himself, at long last rendering his pathetic life utterly meaningless. He would then have to face the undeniable truth he has wasted decades of time on worthless, soon-to-be-forgotten crap.

It would be more than he could handle.

LOL!!!

The reality of the situation is that I'm very in the middle of political extremes and for scientific reasons I cannot side with either.

Fairly judging what I code requires knowing what else is around for minimal code cognitive science related models. What did in the past worry me to the point that it seemed the world had gone mad and it will not be long before the corruption completely destroys me was what happened during the 2011 holiday season in comments at (neutral territory also not sided with either extreme) Planet Source Code:

Even though it's not as scientifically noteworthy as the Nobel Prize the computer model being awarding the model the PSC superior coding award (to spite protest from extremists) was for me a life changing event. It made all my fears of being misunderstood immediately gone, for good! A serious life changing depression I could never get over was avoided, thanks to peers at PSC who for real saved me from going out of my mind crazy.

I don't want to have to worry about what happens at UD. It would not change what has happened over the years that empowered my most immediate peers. Some are academic scientists and others self-taught scientists who rely on how-to resources for their learning, like I do. This might be hard to relate to, to someone from a university or who had a public school experience that scientifically excited them. They did not need to find that on their own at library, home courses, mail order how-to books and other resources, including years of free New England BioLabs catalogs sent to my house by mail by my requesting one of their first after learning about their almost constant discoveries that were there described then sold as a product. I have to thank them for sending even though I never needed to buy enzymes from them for any of my experiments. But I did get to know the folks at the nearby Connecticut Valley Biological Supply Company who had at home suitable projects, I could usually afford. After having kids of my own it became a family project type thing where my wife most enjoyed the scenic ride through Southampton farmland to a place with local critters of almost all kinds. We also have a local A2Z that helped out a few times.

It makes sense that I have a different way of looking at a scientific problem that is so loaded with academic politics one side is for name sake renting space at a major university while for name sake those employed there do the same thing except don't always have to pay. In this case what matters is what there is someone can take home (these days just download) to experiment with where one can try to demonstrate what science itself requires be called "intelligent cause" regardless of any implications that exist that cause some to object to computer models and theory that can.

You can say that I would welcome their help, but in some ways it's just as well that UD stays out of things until sure how to address it without causing unintended consequences by getting too involved in what develops from what needs to be controlled by others. In this case earler on PSC led to the Kurzweil AI forum discussions that started with the Edvard Moser video that led to another model of interest to AI that came from the ID model, which in turn empowered Edvard and through him others in neuroscience to help control the power of a controversial theory simply by letting me know where the grid cell model scientifically stands as it relates to AI and neuroscience, which are both a part of cognitive science but what works for me in what here is more precisely AI does not have to be neuron by neuron exactly like a real animal brain and it's too early to exactly know how close the grid cell model is to how our brain works. What I explained is how to navigate from here to there then another place, which requires more than figuring out where we are, which all by itself does not produce intelligent behavior found in biology. That became most obvious too me while experimenting with what came from N Burgess, C Barry and J O'Keefe that led to 24/7 popcorn that's still being served from the Kansas Citizens For Science forum too.

I'm curious as to what UD would do but I'm in no rush to find out. I don't have to care what they think and I must (for science sake) keep it that way. There is in reality zero chance that I would obsess over something like that. That kind of worry is reserved for when I have something new for Planet Source Code or wrote an email to someone I consider an important scientific authority (like Edvard) that does not even mention the ID theory and more likely be another model or idea they would most likely genuinely find worth looking at (not a request for something they have to do for me or my bothering them with questions already answered in their papers). As a result of the way things really are I found your reply to be amusing. Even worth writing about.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,20:47   

In reality you are obsessed with self aggrandizement. In other words a political play. Glory be.

Here's another thing you won't hear over a loudspeaker.

...And the winner is Gary Gualin.

It stinks to be you Gary. A contituancy of one.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 23 2014,21:13   

Page 404!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,07:04   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 23 2014,19:41)
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Even though it's not as scientifically noteworthy as the Nobel Prize the computer model being awarding the model the PSC superior coding award (to spite protest from extremists) was for me a life changing event. It made all my fears of being misunderstood immediately gone, for good! A serious life changing depression I could never get over was avoided, thanks to peers at PSC who for real saved me from going out of my mind crazy.
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The PSC 'prize' is not scientifically noteworthy period.
It's not a science award.

Furthermore, yours was based on a grand total of, what was it, 5 ? votes.

The reality is that the experience did drive you out of your mind crazy, rendering you incapable of judging what happened there and then, and subsequently.
You're a loon, Gary.  A bog-standard, self-important, incompetent loon.
Who 5 people think coded something well, without regard to whatever "theory" underlies the work, without regard for whatever 'point' the code was trying to make.
Epic fail, Gary, same as it has always been.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,09:59   

From: UD Announces General Amnesty

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Gary S. Gaulin   October 24, 2014 at 8:47 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation.

I’m no longer trapped in the “banned” and/or “moderation” queues?

It sounds to me like I need to hurry up and get out of here, before I somehow get trapped again.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,11:38   

Clever -- a pre-emptive strike so that you never have to discuss your "theory" with them and thus never risk having it rejected by them.

Doesn't much matter, Gary.  Every single person who has reviewed your "theory" has rejected it, on the merits.
Even the (few) voters who awarded you a 'coding excellence' prize didn't bother to read the "theory".

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,11:56   

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Clever -- a pre-emptive strike so that you never have to discuss your "theory" with them and thus never risk having it rejected by them.

It was a pre-emptive strike so that I did not waste my day writing something that would not get posted there anyway.

But if you want to be helpful: Am I still trapped in the "moderation” queue?

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-521546

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,12:16   

Musical interlude:
The Smashing Pumpkins - Bullet with Butterfly Wings

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,12:32   

The more appropriate musical interlude for you:
Gary lacks the self-awareness to see how appropriate this is

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,13:19   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 24 2014,12:32)
The more appropriate musical interlude for you:
Gary lacks the self-awareness to see how appropriate this is

I was not that hurt by the relationship between UD and I not working out as expected, even after I cleaned their (actually mostly William's) food and cooked their house and this how they treated me for all my kind unselfish ways! Ha!!

The good news is it looks like I'm no longer trapped in the "moderation" queue! My first comment should already be online.

Musical interlude #3:
The Smashing Pumpkins - Tonight, Tonight

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,13:23   

You cooked their house??  You monster!

ROFL
Your language skills never let us down, do they?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,13:36   

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The good news is it looks like I'm no longer trapped in the "moderation" queue! My first comment should already be online.

Gary G Indahouse!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,14:04   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 24 2014,13:23)
You cooked their house??  You monster!

ROFL
Your language skills never let us down, do they?

It's a more proper metaphor for cleaning up the problem of no scientific theory (to take home and experiment with) being served by anyone anywhere, which in turn from the outside increasingly heats up the internal situation at UD where they are ultimately devastated by the complete loss of control of the very theory they exist to represent.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 24 2014,15:30   

Yup, still effectively aphasic, even with the hyper-logorrhea.

You have no "theory".
There is no connection between your inadequate software and your "theory".
The best that can be said for you is that you emit carbon dioxide and so must be good for the trees.  I'm just not sure they're that desperate.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,09:21   

Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 24 2014,05:13)
Page 404!

Ha only just noticed!
That must qualify for a Post of the Unobserved Coincidence!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,10:09   

PAGE ERROR 404: THEORY STILL NOT FOUND

AND FOR THE RECORD, SYNTAX ERROR^GOOGOLPLEX

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,10:37   

Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 25 2014,10:09)
PAGE ERROR 404: THEORY STILL NOT FOUND

AND FOR THE RECORD, SYNTAX ERROR^GOOGOLPLEX

It worked for me. But you'll have to click on my name/screenname to find it.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-521546

If all goes well then by page 405 (or so) the theory will have been found there.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,12:23   

Quote (socle @ Oct. 24 2014,13:36)
   
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 24 2014,13:19)
The good news is it looks like I'm no longer trapped in the "moderation" queue! My first comment should already be online.

Gary G Indahouse!

I did not say much. But at least they know where I seem to have been all these years.

In the early days of UD (when William and Salvador ran it) I mostly half jokingly teased them to stay and help write their theory with me, at the KCFS forum. I later discovered that the theory was possible (the joke ended up on me by my becoming stuck in their boat) but back then there was no theory to speak of, just a premise for one that left "imtelligent cause" up to the readers imagination instead of explaining how such a thing works. I might of been one of the very first to understandably get themselves stuck in the banned queue.

UD is now like under new management. My finally posting something there is an encouraging sign. But I'm still not sure what to say. I feel like I already said enough for now and should wait for a theory specific topic that needs information I can add. I ended up spending the morning studying and discussing what I needed to know about jumping spiders, at Kurzweil AI, and some quick Wielding Humor as a Tool in a new topic just for that, at the NCSE blog.

Over the years it became unnecessary for me to get involved in making UD gone, so it was something I gladly did not have to spend any of my time on anymore. I did not plan on that changing, but it seems it has by UD having changed for the better over the years. They occasionally find a good science article I needed to know about and sometimes say interesting things that make enough sense for me to have to agree with, though still not always.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,13:49   

This comment at the NCSE forum was just flagged by CdnMacAtheist for removal from the topic for "Wielding Humor as a Tool" where this made an excellent example of satire that backfired, Josh Rosenau was rightfully talking about having to be careful about:
 
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,17:49   

A new topic posted at UD pertaining to a virtual molecular laboratory that I found somewhat interesting right away caused me to know what to say in response. As a bonus it turned out that I started writing it while Bob O'H quickly set the stage for me to jump right in with the NSTA experiment:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/origin-....-522006

I don't want to make it habit to mention everything I say at UD. But I was shortly ago not sure what to say, then it became so easy it's already done and was from what I can tell right away online (not awaiting moderation).

And it now looks like I am being asked a question, but I never mentioned anything about "chance" so I'm not sure who they are asking. Now I don't know what to do at UD again! Sigh..

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,22:47   

Just in time for Sunday morning is one more (to answer the question that seemed for me that I then had to get to work on) where this time I had to quote the first paragraph of the theory but used "its" this time. I think they will most easily get the right idea, with it worded that way. And I kept it one long sentence due to separating it look to me like it's disconnected from explaining how "intelligent cause" works and I have to not rush that change or right now will probably only make worse problems.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/origin-....-522152

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 25 2014,23:14   

On the one hand, you should stay as much as possible on UD, because in comparison they make you sound almost reasonable.  On the other hand, you are still serving up a heaping pile of completely looney word salad.

Whether you substitute "its" or not is among the least of your problems with that turd of a sentence.  It is still the case that neither your sentence, nor your introduction, nor your entire steaming pile of not-a-theory, explains intelligence, how intelligent causation works, or how intelligence emerges, to mention just three of your multitude of failings with the topic that we have all detailed at length in this thread.

Also, you aren't "in the middle" of anything.  You are in a slough off a backwater up a tributary to a side-branch, without a paddle, one morass over from Edgar Postrado.  You also cannot claim "science" as a justification for anything that you do or don't do - that ship sailed without you long ago, when you rejected proper scientific methods in their entirety.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2014,13:37   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 25 2014,18:49)
...Now I don't know what to do at UD again! Sigh..

And your "theory", of course, offers no suggestions other than "guess".
But even that seems beyond you.  Very telling.
Or are you taking the stance that you cannot 'guess' until you have mapped out all possible moves, so that the 'guess' is a choice amongst them?  That's not how real-world entities behave, you know.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 26 2014,13:55   

Quote (NoName @ Oct. 26 2014,13:37)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 25 2014,18:49)
...Now I don't know what to do at UD again! Sigh..

And your "theory", of course, offers no suggestions other than "guess".
But even that seems beyond you.  Very telling.
Or are you taking the stance that you cannot 'guess' until you have mapped out all possible moves, so that the 'guess' is a choice amongst them?  That's not how real-world entities behave, you know.

Whether Gary qualifies as a real-world entity is still very much up for debate.

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