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George



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,08:01   

Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 19 2007,08:45)
I Am the Very Model of a C-Design-Proponentsist

Any ID response to this work of art?

"Down With This Sort of Thing!" would be apt.

  
Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,08:32   

Quote (George @ Dec. 20 2007,15:01)
Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 19 2007,08:45)
I Am the Very Model of a C-Design-Proponentsist

Any ID response to this work of art?

"Down With This Sort of Thing!" would be apt.

Careful, now!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,08:37   



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I'm not the fastest or the baddest or the fatest.

You NEVER seem to address the fact that the grand majority of people supporting Darwinism in these on line forums and blogs are atheists. That doesn't seem to bother you guys in the least. - FtK

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,09:12   

DaveScot says
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Yet another ancestor to modern whales is hypothesized. It’s hard to believe people get paid to produce stuff like this.

Gil says
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At some time in the future, scientists will look back on this stuff and shake their heads in amazement. It will be considered as scientific as bloodletting for curing infections.


http://www.uncommondescent.com/biology/practical-biology-not/

Still waiting for that blockbuster ID research boys...

How's it going in the lab Gil? I'm surprised you still have the time to pontificate on subjects you know nothing about, what with the lab and all.

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Rob



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,09:17   

Frost waxes profound:  
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The reason Darwinists try to redefine intelligence or ignore it is because they desire to grasp the universe as it actually is.
The horror!
 
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Intelligence is not directly or purely quantifiable.
Except via SAT scores, whereby DaveScot discovered that his intelligence is north of God's.

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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,09:18   

There are as of yet no substantive arguments (not even in the OP) on the ancestral whale thread, but that would be unusual for sure. There are, however, the usual arguments from incredulity, including this classic from Dr. Dr. Dembski hisself
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Pardon my naivete, but don’t really really big animals (like whales that can weigh 200 tons) need all sorts of different homeostatic mechanisms to control body heat, etc. compared with much smaller deer/rat-like creatures? Silly me, of course evolution can produce these mechanisms — it created everything else.

So, Bill, what is your explanation for whale evolution?

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,10:17   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 20 2007,09:18)
There are as of yet no substantive arguments (not even in the OP) on the ancestral whale thread, but that would be unusual for sure. There are, however, the usual arguments from incredulity, including this classic from Dr. Dr. Dembski hisself  
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Pardon my naivete, but don’t really really big animals (like whales that can weigh 200 tons) need all sorts of different homeostatic mechanisms to control body heat, etc. compared with much smaller deer/rat-like creatures? Silly me, of course evolution can produce these mechanisms — it created everything else.

So, Bill, what is your explanation for whale evolution?

Well Dipski would day god-dit-it of course.  After all, "he created everything else"

Amazing that when a tard like Dempski flaunts his ignorance at UD he only strengthens his support.

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Wow Bill doesn't know squat about whale evolution, he's sooo smart...


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,10:23   

Quote (Albatrossity2 @ Dec. 20 2007,09:18)

So, Bill, what is your explanation for whale evolution?

(a)


(b)


( C )


(d)




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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,10:37   

Quote (Amadan @ Dec. 20 2007,02:05)
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William Dembski

12/19/2007

7:01 pm
ChristopherSaint: Give us more credit, please. My dad got his PhD in biology at the the University of Erlangen and my parents live in Germany. My uncle was a professor of ergnomics at the Technische Hochschule in at the time West Berlin. I know the scene in Germany and elsewhere in Europe . . . In any case, I’m fluent in German . . .


...which is why, when my first post on your blog referred to "Büstenhalter front-loading" you nodded sagely, and Scrotus complimented me on a "great post"!

Arschloch



Note to self: fasten seatbelt and put coffee down before reading any more Amadan posts.

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Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,10:39   

A) = "yes master"

A is the correct answer.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,12:53   

Alright kiddies, that went a bit far afield.



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Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

   
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:01   

Idiocy and irony, live together in perfect harmony,
As I cry by my 'puter keyboard, laughing, thanks UD!


http://www.uncommondescent.com/the-des....-157520

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Matteo

12/20/2007

1:33 pm
There comes a time when your opponents cross over from being formidable (even if wrong) to being merely farcical. My suggestion is that we leave Amazon alone and let these guys freely post all the evidence any intelligent person needs to decide whether that line has been crossed. I’ve always found it deeply asinine and comical that such as Kwok consider the Amazon reviews to be so important. I don’t have any deep interest in joining them in any of their nursery school games. Victorious at Amazon? Only a loser would care.


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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:09   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 20 2007,13:01)
Idiocy and irony, live together in perfect harmony,
As I cry by my 'puter keyboard, laughing, thanks UD!


http://www.uncommondescent.com/the-des....-157520

 
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Matteo

12/20/2007

1:33 pm
There comes a time when your opponents cross over from being formidable (even if wrong) to being merely farcical. My suggestion is that we leave Amazon alone and let these guys freely post all the evidence any intelligent person needs to decide whether that line has been crossed. I’ve always found it deeply asinine and comical that such as Kwok consider the Amazon reviews to be so important. I don’t have any deep interest in joining them in any of their nursery school games. Victorious at Amazon? Only a loser would care.

Good catch Richard!  I'm betting that O'Leary kicks his ass up one side and down the other.  

This has got to be a troll - perfect lead-in for the "only a loser would care" line.  On a post by O'Leary about caring about Amazon reviews....

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Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

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Bebbo



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:15   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Dec. 19 2007,18:34)
Yay! A Dembski Melt-down!

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-157313


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William Dembski

12/19/2007

7:01 pm
ChristopherSaint: Give us more credit, please. My dad got his PhD in biology at the the University of Erlangen and my parents live in Germany. My uncle was a professor of ergnomics at the Technische Hochschule in at the time West Berlin. I know the scene in Germany and elsewhere in Europe. And I have read Ratzsch and Sober carefully — Ratzsch spent a week in a six-week seminar that I conducted at Calvin College in 2000 to discuss his then forthcoming book. Although I like much about Mike Gene’s book, he is an amateur at the philosophy of science. Thus I find those who like Mike try to argue that ID is valuable but not science as engaged in misconceived philosophy of science. I’ll probably write a paper on this sometime — when I get time off from my scientific research with Bob Marks’s Evolutionary Informatics Lab (www.evoinfo.org). Forgive me for slipping this in, but where is the outcry from your colleagues about the suppression of this work?



Wah wah - how dare you be critical when you're not supportive?

Speaking of people misconceiving the philosophy of science, Dembski is the one who thinks scientific theories find their completion in some bloke who's been dead for 2000 years. Though this is hardly surprising from someone who thinks a website constitutes a lab where scientific research is done.

  
Mr_Christopher



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:17   

They lost the war on science, they're losing the culture war(s), maybe just maybe they can claim the winners cup in the Amazon war.

All science so far.

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Ptaylor



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:20   

Further to RTH's comment - Denyse's suggestion that UDers go over to Amazon to vote down negative reviews of the Dr Dr's latest book looks to have backfired.  
   
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GilDodgen

12/20/2007

12:42 pm

A bunch of new negative reviews just popped up and in a matter of hours have received hundreds of positive votes. The Darwin propaganda machine is working overtime. The entire thing is such a joke.

Check it out at Amazon - sure enough there are 14 x 5 star vs 15 x 1 star reviews at the moment. I counted 13 vs 3 less than 24 hours ago. Anyone have any ideas about the huge numbers of votes on the new reviews?
Edit - Pharyngula explains a lot - thanks RTH.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:23   

Pharyngula picked up the sternberger story. And PZ has a big readership...

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Mister DNA



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:23   

Quote (Mr_Christopher @ Dec. 20 2007,13:17)
They lost the war on science, they're losing the culture war(s), maybe just maybe they can claim the winners cup in the Amazon war.

All science so far.

Even that's highly doubtful. IIRC, both Abbie & PZ have written about traffic at UD...

For every cdesign proponentsist reading UD, isn't there about five evil Darwinian materialists reading their stuff?

Then again, even if they lose the Amazon war, we'll be facing our Waterloo in April of '08 when Expelled is finally released...

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:31   

Now with singing...


http://www.inoculatedmind.com/2007/12/20/a-kitzmas-karol/

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"You magnificent bastard! " : Louis
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"I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932
"...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,13:46   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Dec. 19 2007,13:27)
 
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Hermagoras shows up at Joe G's door to get that elusive ID evidence and is shot; the state contends that it was Joe G who shot Hermagoras.

Speaking of which, has anyone heard from Hermagoras recently?  The last I saw he was starting to read Sanford's Genetic Entropy book.  I'm concerned that Hermagoras' DNA might have succumbed to the SLoT.

Bob

Bob, I'm in Singapore for a couple of weeks.  I try to stay away from the tard, but they pulling me back in!  



It's hard to measure the stupidity of Sanford's book (the sleeper hit of the ID community).  Here's BA77 holding it:



Note to BarryA, who is apparently reading over here a little: Hi!  I'm sorry I was banned as getawitness.  My posts were quite serious, and I was banned apparently only because I mocked GilDogden for playing doctor.  Can you blame me?  

Meanwhile, any way you can appeal to the higher powers over there?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,14:18   

Expelled: “Intelligent Design” Advocates Gaming the System at Amazon

I put several sources together with posting dates on Amazon reviews.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,14:19   

OH NOES!!!!!11111 THE EF HAS OUTED US!!!!111

http://www.uncommondescent.com/the-des....-157533

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Atom

12/20/2007

2:55 pm
I agree with Matteo. Just sit back and let them make fools of themselves to the public.

At least we know this blog has some Darwinist lurker readership.


!!!HALP!1

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,14:28   

On UD, in response to
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Darwinists, what are you so afraid of? Your fear is showing to the world.

"Poachy" says
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Sending off books to cohorts for positive reviews. Boilerplate reviews of books they’ve never read. Gaming the system by voting up friendly reviews and voting down critical reviews. Such are the tactics that must be employed to prop up their money-making enterprise in the face of an assault from true science.


Seems the irony detector is bust over at UD at the moment. I suspect it's been broken a very long time.

Linky

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,14:30   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Dec. 20 2007,14:18)
Expelled: “Intelligent Design” Advocates Gaming the System at Amazon

I put several sources together with posting dates on Amazon reviews.

Phhhh. It's all about the sales science.

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sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,14:38   

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There are as of yet no substantive arguments (not even in the OP) on the ancestral whale thread, but that would be unusual for sure. There are, however, the usual arguments from incredulity, including this classic from Dr. Dr. Dembski hisself    
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Pardon my naivete, but don’t really really big animals (like whales that can weigh 200 tons) need all sorts of different homeostatic mechanisms to control body heat, etc. compared with much smaller deer/rat-like creatures? Silly me, of course evolution can produce these mechanisms — it created everything else.


So, Bill, what is your explanation for whale evolution?
It's amazing how little this guy knows about biology. And Kleiber described the relation between body size and metabolic rate in 1932. BTW, Dembski himself developed from a few Kg to about 70-80 Kg. His logic would imply that he developed    
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all sorts of different homeostatic mechanisms to control body heat, etc.
OK, he lost brown adipose tissue and shifted from non-shivering to shivering thermogenesis, but that's all.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,14:45   

Poachy has to be a troll. Nobody is that stupid ...

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,14:55   

On one of the reviews on the Amazon site, Matteo whines (my bolding)
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Not sure I can trust the opinions of someone who says "chalk full". It betrays a certain ignorance and yayhoo (sic) spirit. It is also transparently evident that the sudden appearance of ten new content-free reviews in one day must be the result of some asinine little spamming campaign spawned by some atheist website or other. On the other hand, it may well have been just a fortuitous coincidence. After all, that's what caused everything else. I'd be a fool to think otherwise.

I guess I didn't realize that this was a religious book, or that atheists would want to trash it...

All Science So Far!

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Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mind
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As the only possible proof of its own inheritance.
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,15:35   

Quote (sparc @ Dec. 20 2007,15:38)
Dembski himself developed from a few Kg to about 70-80 Kg.

When did Dembski lose 20 Kg?  Girly-man looks about 60 max to me.

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Mister DNA



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,15:38   

Quote (Occam's Toothbrush @ Dec. 20 2007,15:35)
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Dembski himself developed from a few Kg to about 70-80 Kg.

When did Dembski lose 20 Kg?  Girly-man looks about 60 max to me.

That sweater has gotta add 10 pounds at the very least.

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Annyday



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 20 2007,15:38   

This is dated today, has anyone else seen it yet?

Intelligent Design at Baylor University: The Rise and Fall of Baylor University’s Michael Polanyi Center

Man. I have to read this all the way through. :D

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