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djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,00:38   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 13 2007,10:50)
Before ID, he was tarding up some other fora...

Games design or something.

google "david springer" dell

I'm sure other combinations of "david springer" and whatever will be equally tasty.

  
djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,00:50   

j-dog:
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After ID has defeated the Evil Darwinsit cabal, I predict a HUGE career ahead for Joseph is the exciting world of politics as aRepublican spokesman...
Spokestard

  
Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,00:52   

http://groups.google.com/groups....3rNo_Pw

Have it it!

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djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,01:53   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 13 2007,13:15)
Buy my book:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....on-line

Denyse, you are such a fibber!  And so is Doctor Beauregard.  Here's his description of his "research" from the outline of his publication:              
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The main goal of this functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) study was to identify the neural correlates of a mystical experience. The brain activity of Carmelite nuns was measured while they were subjectively in a state of union with God.
But that's not really what you did, Dr. Beauregard.  Here's the description of your "research" from Science Direct:            
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In the Mystical condition, subjects were asked to remember and relive (eyes closed) the most intense mystical experience ever felt in their lives as a member of the Carmelite Order. ... In the Control condition, subjects were instructed to remember and relive (eyes closed) the most intense state of union with another human ever felt in their lives while being affiliated with the Carmelite Order.

In other words, you CLAIM that your nuns were in a state of union with God, but you actually measured them while they were REMEMBERING such states!  There's a world of difference between actually experiencing something and remembering it.

Dr. Andrew Newburg studied the brains of Buddhist Monks during meditation and Franciscan nuns during prayer.  Here's how he did it:          
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When the volunteers reached the apex of their meditative state, they tugged on a string, which was Newberg and D'Aquili's cue to inject a radioactive tracer into their blood through an IV line. This tracer traveled to their brains and became bound to the neurons that were most active, creating a snapshot of brain activity at that particular moment that could later be imaged through a technique called SPECT (short for single photon emission computed tomography). When the imaging was performed, it showed, unsurprisingly, that brain regions responsible for concentration were highly active. However, there was one other consistent result that stood out. In all eight subjects, a particular region of the brain, the superior parietal lobe, showed a sharp reduction in activity.

The role of this brain region was already known. As discussed in Part 1 of this essay, the superior parietal lobe is the brain's "where" system. Its job is to orient a person in three-dimensional space and help them move through the world; as part of this task, it must draw a clear distinction between "self" and "not-self". For this reason, Newberg and D'Aquili call it the "orientation association area", or OAA for short. In all eight volunteers, the OAA had been inhibited by their deep meditative state, deprived of the sensory information it needs to build a coherent picture of the world.

What would be the result of this? Without the OAA, the brain is unable to perceive the physical limits of the self - unable to tell where the body ends and the world begins. (One of the meditators who took part in the study described the experience as feeling "like a loss of boundary" (Holmes 2001, p. 26)). And "[i]n that case, the brain would have no choice but to perceive that the self is endless and intimately interwoven with everyone and everything the mind senses. And this perception would feel utterly and unquestionably real" (Newberg and D'Aquili 2001, p. 6).

Intrigued by the possibility of a biological basis for religious experience, Newberg and D'Aquili broadened their study to include Franciscan nuns who claimed they felt a sense of closeness with God while deep in prayer. The experiment was repeated, and the results were the same: both the Franciscans and the Buddhists experienced similar drops in activity in the OAA, producing a sense of infinite self which both groups then interpreted through the milieu of their own religious beliefs.


In words simple enough for even Denyse O'Leary to understand, in a REAL mystical experience, the part of the brain that orients you in space shuts down from lack of inputs.  This leads to the feeling that you are expanding outward and enveloping or merging with the universe or meeting God or whatever.

In Dr. Beauregard's study, he measured the brains of people who were REMEMBERING such experiences and, no surprise, he found that many areas of the brain were active - but he didn't find that the Orientation Association Area had shut down, which is what happens when you're EXPERIENCING deep meditation and prayer.

In fact, he found that,"This state was associated with significant loci of activation in the right medial orbitofrontal cortex, right middle temporal cortex, right inferior and superior parietal lobules..."

Why am I not surprised that a researcher who enlists Denyse O'Leary as a co-author doesn't know what the h3ll he's doing?

Tards.

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,03:03   

Dembski has published the email addresses of the Baylor board of regents.

I bet that'll make them sympathetic to ID? More likely they'll be wondering what's with the sudden upshoot of badly written unintelligible spam messages!

Anybody got the good Dr Dr Dr Dembski's e-mail address?
Link

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lkeithlu



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,04:10   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 14 2007,03:03)
Dembski has published the email addresses of the Baylor board of regents.

I bet that'll make them sympathetic to ID? More likely they'll be wondering what's with the sudden upshoot of badly written unintelligible spam messages!

Anybody got the good Dr Dr Dr Dembski's e-mail address?
Link

Ouch!

He's going to find that this was a REAL mistake.
Why is it that when he gets in a pissing contest, he pisses on his own shoes?

  
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,04:55   

Quote (lkeithlu @ Sep. 14 2007,12:10)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 14 2007,03:03)
Dembski has published the email addresses of the Baylor board of regents.

I bet that'll make them sympathetic to ID? More likely they'll be wondering what's with the sudden upshoot of badly written unintelligible spam messages!

Anybody got the good Dr Dr Dr Dembski's e-mail address?
Link

Ouch!

He's going to find that this was a REAL mistake.
Why is it that when he gets in a pissing contest, he pisses on his own shoes?

Brilliant isn't it?

Yup .....just when you think he couldn't possibly jump another shark (again) he comes up smelling of *insert suitable stink here*.

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djmullen



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,05:00   

Honestly, I just can't see why Baylor doesn't want him.

  
Reciprocating Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,06:37   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 14 2007,04:03)
Dembski has published the email addresses of the Baylor board of regents.

I bet that'll make them sympathetic to ID? More likely they'll be wondering what's with the sudden upshoot of badly written unintelligible spam messages!

Anybody got the good Dr Dr Dr Dembski's e-mail address?
Link

Holy shit!  

If that doesn't work, he might consider delivering a angry video manifesto clad in automatic weapons and kevlar, or perhaps torching a building on campus.

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."
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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,07:54   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Sep. 14 2007,14:37)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 14 2007,04:03)
Dembski has published the email addresses of the Baylor board of regents.

I bet that'll make them sympathetic to ID? More likely they'll be wondering what's with the sudden upshoot of badly written unintelligible spam messages!

Anybody got the good Dr Dr Dr Dembski's e-mail address?
Link

Holy shit!  

If that doesn't work, he might consider delivering a angry video manifesto clad in automatic weapons and kevlar, or perhaps torching a building on campus.

What no pipe bombs?

With any luck he may dress up as ninja turtle and drive a stolen icecream truck on a suicide mission into the Baylor staff cafeteria

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,08:44   

I rather imagine he will be found auto-asphyxiated wearing a negligee in man to hand combat with himself while Judge Jones School of Law (unedited version) plays on a loop.

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,09:03   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 14 2007,16:44)
I rather imagine he will be found auto-asphyxiated wearing a negligee in man to hand combat with himself while Judge Jones School of Law (unedited version) plays on a loop.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,09:36   

Maybe Dembski is secretly on our side. That would explain why he's currently making life more difficult for Marks.

   
heddle



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,09:46   

It will be amusing if Peter mails his comments

   
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Perhaps Baylor shut down the lab because the research was too devastating to Darwinism. I noticed that the research papers had been submitted to peer review a while ago. When the reviewers discovered how threatening the findings are to the status quo they could have pressured Baylor to terminate the lab. They may be hoping that with the lab closure the research will end and they will not have to deal with Mark’s critciques. This may be just another manifestation of the difficulties, like the ones Behe is enduring, getting good ID science published.


and, even after Dembski suggested that he was being "a bit too conspiratorial"

   
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Prof Dembski: I’ll admit I am wrong when I learn that his papers have been published. But I was expecting the shoe to drop in some fashion, and it has. Disproving evolution would upset a large, prestigious, academic enterprise. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mark’s papers were discussed as high up as the NAS. Who else could pressure the president of Baylor to act against everything that Baylor stands for?


to the Board of Regents.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,09:48   

Quote (heddle @ Sep. 14 2007,10:46)
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Perhaps Baylor shut down the lab because the research was too devastating to Darwinism.

If I knew someone who was spoofing the IDers, and he wrote that line, I'd advise him to take it down a notch, lest people become suspicious.

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,09:55   

Quote (heddle @ Sep. 14 2007,10:46)
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When the reviewers discovered how threatening the findings are to the status quo they could have pressured Baylor to terminate the lab. They may be hoping that with the lab closure the research will end and they will not have to deal with Mark’s critciques.

It's fascinating to see how these people imagine science works.
And endlessly amusing.

   
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:02   

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Disproving evolution would upset a large, prestigious, academic enterprise.

What say? Dr. Dr. Dembski couldn't even take a stupid museum secretary up on a bet that evolution would be replaced by irreducible complexity in 8 1/2 years! :)

Dr. Dr., can't you see I'm burning, burning... come to Minn... (Oops, forgot. I happen to be moving my personal goalposts. And why not?) ;)

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:08   

Quote (heddle @ Sep. 14 2007,17:46)
It will be amusing if Peter mails his comments

   
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Perhaps Baylor shut down the lab because the research was too devastating to Darwinism. I noticed that the research papers had been submitted to peer review a while ago. When the reviewers discovered how threatening the findings are to the status quo they could have pressured Baylor to terminate the lab. They may be hoping that with the lab closure the research will end and they will not have to deal with Mark’s critciques. This may be just another manifestation of the difficulties, like the ones Behe is enduring, getting good ID science published.


and, even after Dembski suggested that he was being "a bit too conspiratorial"

   
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Prof Dembski: I’ll admit I am wrong when I learn that his papers have been published. But I was expecting the shoe to drop in some fashion, and it has. Disproving evolution would upset a large, prestigious, academic enterprise. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mark’s papers were discussed as high up as the NAS. Who else could pressure the president of Baylor to act against everything that Baylor stands for?


to the Board of Regents.

Yeah .......we all live in hope.

Can you imagine the back channel converstion.

Regent1-Hi Howie, how was your weekend?
Regent2-OK Andy except I got all this fricken loony email.
Regent1-You'll just have to keep off those porn sites Howie.
Regent2-This is my private, private only my parents and kids email Andy.
Regent1-So.
Regent2-So that little cocksucker Billy Dembski has conned all his fruit bat pals in to harassing me.
Regent1- Ah I was wondering where that was coming from.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:10   

K sez.
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I happen to be moving my personal goalposts


With stockings and suspenders I hope :)

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:11   

Has anybody at UD questioned why Dembski was trying to sneak back into Baylor, rather than just doing the 'research' from his position at Southwestern Colige of Bible Thumpin' and Wimmen Firin'?

   
stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:13   

I'm still cracking up over that "too devastating" line.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:30   

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 14 2007,10:10)
K sez.
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I happen to be moving my personal goalposts


With stockings and suspenders I hope :)

She wont understand that.. It's "garter belts" over here, chief. Suspenders are "braces".


Crazy colonials!

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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:38   

!!!

Dembski has updated the page with the home phone numbers of the regents now, as well as what appears to be their actual addresses.

Allcorn, Rev. Stan
XXXX Canterbury Drive
Abilene, Texas 79602
H: 915-XXX-XXXX
O: 915-XXX-XXXX
XXXX{AT}pdbc.org
XXXX_XXXX{AT}baylor.edu

this should be fun. Richard, can you get some more popcorn on the go?

Dembski says
 
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Yes, it may be good to point out to regents that Baylor’s treatment of Prof. Marks will be featuring in EXPELLED (www.expelledthemovie.com).


What film will document Dembski's treatment of them I wonder???

Linky

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:45   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 14 2007,10:38)
!!!

Dembski has updated the page with the home phone numbers of the regents now, as well as what appears to be their actual addresses.

Allcorn, Rev. Stan
XXXX Canterbury Drive
Abilene, Texas 79602
H: 915-XXX-XXXX
O: 915-XXX-XXXX
XXXX{AT}pdbc.org
XXXX_XXXX{AT}baylor.edu

this should be fun. Richard, can you get some more popcorn on the go?

Dembski says
   
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Yes, it may be good to point out to regents that Baylor’s treatment of Prof. Marks will be featuring in EXPELLED (www.expelledthemovie.com).


What film will document Dembski's treatment of them I wonder???

Linky

Good lord, Dembski is losing his tiny little mind.

Has anyone noticed that Bill often has his most spectacular meltdowns on Fridays?

Next week: Bill publishes the credit card numbers of the Baylor regents, along with the daycare centers that they send their children to!

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k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:47   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 14 2007,18:30)
Quote (k.e @ Sep. 14 2007,10:10)
K sez.
 
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I happen to be moving my personal goalposts


With stockings and suspenders I hope :)

She wont understand that.. It's "garter belts" over here, chief. Suspenders are "braces".


Crazy colonials!

Do you ever get homesick?

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:50   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 14 2007,18:38)
!!!

Dembski has updated the page with the home phone numbers of the regents now, as well as what appears to be their actual addresses.

Allcorn, Rev. Stan
XXXX Canterbury Drive
Abilene, Texas 79602
H: 915-XXX-XXXX
O: 915-XXX-XXXX
XXXX{AT}pdbc.org
XXXX_XXXX{AT}baylor.edu

this should be fun. Richard, can you get some more popcorn on the go?

Dembski says
   
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Yes, it may be good to point out to regents that Baylor’s treatment of Prof. Marks will be featuring in EXPELLED (www.expelledthemovie.com).


What film will document Dembski's treatment of them I wonder???

Linky

FARK!!!!

Oh noes abortion clinics are off the hook.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:51   

Where's Dembski going to go if Southwestern Thumpology School gets tired of him?

   
k.e



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:54   

Dont keep me in garter belts just doesn't have the same feel about it.

No wonder half of them are gay.

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The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,10:59   

Quote (k.e @ Sep. 14 2007,10:47)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 14 2007,18:30)
Quote (k.e @ Sep. 14 2007,10:10)
K sez.
 
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I happen to be moving my personal goalposts


With stockings and suspenders I hope :)

She wont understand that.. It's "garter belts" over here, chief. Suspenders are "braces".


Crazy colonials!

Do you ever get homesick?

k.e. - I can't speak for Richard of course, but MY take on his situation is that:

1.  American chicks dig English accents

2.  Back home I see Richard hanging out like in Sean of The Dead. (Although I am not sure if Richard is Sean, or his video-playing roomie - but give him credit - definitely NOT the dick-head roomie!)

3.  Big Fish - Little Pond in USA vs. Just Another Fish

and

4.  American chicks dig English accents.

Richard - What sayest thou?

Do you ever get homesick?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 14 2007,11:01   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 14 2007,10:38)
!!!

Dembski has updated the page with the home phone numbers of the regents now, as well as what appears to be their actual addresses.

Allcorn, Rev. Stan
XXXX Canterbury Drive
Abilene, Texas 79602
H: 915-XXX-XXXX
O: 915-XXX-XXXX
XXXX{AT}pdbc.org
XXXX_XXXX{AT}baylor.edu

this should be fun. Richard, can you get some more popcorn on the go?

Dembski says
     
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Yes, it may be good to point out to regents that Baylor’s treatment of Prof. Marks will be featuring in EXPELLED (www.expelledthemovie.com).


What film will document Dembski's treatment of them I wonder???

Linky

What a guy!  He went the extra step and protected their emails from the spam bots.

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