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Albatrossity2



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,09:18   

Hopefully dj has finished his coffee, because the comments on that thread are equally tardful. Recall that the OP is Dense's opining about how Behe "outclasses" Dawkins scientifically. Mindful of the credo "ID has nothing to do with religion", the ever-reliable bornagain77 chimes in
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I am extremely surprised that so many highly educated people, such as Dawkins supposedly is, would be so easily deceived when the recently revealed evidence is in plain sight for everyone to see. You would think that they would exercise great caution in judging the evidence before so loudly and blatantly denying the existence of Almighty God, Who has the power to save us from death.


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khan



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,09:21   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 18 2007,05:38)
For some reason I clicked on the Amazon Link Denise gave on her latest screed. Well, TBH I thought there would be a few funny reviews on her book but it's not out yet.

The blub says

 
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Many scientists ignore hard evidence that challenges their materialistic prejudice, clinging to the limited view that our experiences are explainable only by material causes, in the obstinate conviction that the physical world is the only reality. But scientific materialism is at a loss to explain irrefutable accounts of mind over matter, of intuition, willpower, and leaps of faith, of the "placebo effect" in medicine, of near-death experiences on the operating table, and of psychic premonitions of a loved one in crisis, to say nothing of the occasional sense of oneness with nature and mystical experiences in meditation or prayer. Traditional science explains away these and other occurrences as delusions or misunderstandings, but by exploring the latest neurological research on phenomena such as these, The Spiritual Brain gets to their real source.





I wrote something like that when I was 16; but I got over it.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,11:56   

I just heard DaveTard was in a car wreck.

Sounds like it was him, anyway.  I could be mistaken.

Thought y'all would be interested.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,12:16   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 18 2007,11:56)
I just heard DaveTard was in a car wreck.

Sounds like it was him, anyway. ?I could be mistaken.

Thought y'all would be interested.

*ahem*

Lou.

This is all well and good, but isn't there something you should be, uh, telling everyone here?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,12:43   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 18 2007,12:16)
   
Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 18 2007,11:56)
I just heard DaveTard was in a car wreck.

Sounds like it was him, anyway. ?I could be mistaken.

Thought y'all would be interested.

*ahem*

Lou.

This is all well and good, but isn't there something you should be, uh, telling everyone here?

I assume of course that you are referring to the incident of The Red Dress.

JanieBelle has the backstory here which you should read before proceding.

If you are brave, and your stomach is strong, you can view the photos here.

You have been warned.



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Arden Chatfield



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,12:49   

HA! THIS PROVES WHAT I'VE KNOWN ABOUT YOU DARWINIST HOMOES ALL ALONG! -DT

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,12:53   

That Tard wishes he were half the Marine my Aunt was.

If you want to know what the Corps thought of her, read Twenty One Guns.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,13:28   

Quote (Lou FCD @ Aug. 18 2007,12:43)

Whoa, Nelly! Baby got back!!!!

P.S. Lou - my condolences. I've been reading over at CHCB.

P.P.S. Not to change the subject, but what kind of sorry S.O.B. am I if I read CHCB, but not UDOJ?

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,14:15   

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I am extremely surprised that so many highly educated people, such as Dawkins supposedly is, would be so easily deceived when the recently revealed evidence is in plain sight for everyone to see. You would think that they would exercise great caution in judging the evidence before so loudly and blatantly denying the existence of Almighty God, Who has the power to save us from death.


Hmmm:

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I am extremely surprised that so many highly educated people, such as Dawkins supposedly is,


I like that 'supposedly'. Like Dawkins ceases to be highly educated because BornAgain77 disapproves of what he says.

But hey, these are the people who tell us that evolution is untrue because it turns people into amoral monsters.

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Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,14:23   

Thanks for your condolences.

Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 18 2007,13:28)
P.P.S. Not to change the subject, but what kind of sorry S.O.B. am I if I read CHCB, but not UDOJ?

Heh, I kinda hope there's at least one sorry s.o.b. that enjoys CHCB over UDoJ.  (Don't tell JanieBelle I said that, though.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,14:27   



Ladies and gentlemen of the supposed jury.

   
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,14:49   

Quote (Arden Chatfield @ Aug. 18 2007,14:15)
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I am extremely surprised that so many highly educated people, such as Dawkins supposedly is, would be so easily deceived when the recently revealed evidence is in plain sight for everyone to see. You would think that they would exercise great caution in judging the evidence before so loudly and blatantly denying the existence of Almighty God, Who has the power to save us from death.


Hmmm:

 
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I am extremely surprised that so many highly educated people, such as Dawkins supposedly is,


I like that 'supposedly'. Like Dawkins ceases to be highly educated because BornAgain77 disapproves of what he says.

But hey, these are the people who tell us that evolution is untrue because it turns people into amoral monsters.

Well, if you're going to be educated at some no-name backwater school like Oxford, you have to expect a little disdain from the truly intellectual and highly educated giants over at UD.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,19:13   

Did you know William A Dembski can be rearranged to Skim Labia Mildew?

You do now.

   
Lou FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2007,21:39   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 18 2007,19:13)
Did you know William A Dembski can be rearranged to Skim Labia Mildew?

You do now.

I never much cared for skim, but I can live with 2% labia mildew.

I'd much rather have the whole labia mildew, but Doc says I gotta cut back or I won't fit in the dress anymore.

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Rob



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,00:15   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 17 2007,11:17)
Here is the money shot: ?Marks is free to resume work in the informatics lab on his own time. He is free to put up the website again so long as it includes a disclaimer that it does not represent Baylor's position.

[Editted to summarize rather than quote directly.]

Thanks for the info, carlsonjok.  This is interesting, and not unexpected by those who were wondering why Baylor, after giving Dembski's Polyani Center the boot, would host this worthless project.

Dembski was apparently referring to this project when he said:      
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Dembski: Happy New Year to all UD regulars. I expect 2007 to be a bang-up year for ID. Here are three things in particular I?m looking forward to in the coming year:

  1. A new ID friendly research center at a major university. (This is not merely an idle wish ? stay tuned.)

Apparently it is merely an idle wish.  Dembski's "research center" devolved into a "lab", which apparently consists of Dembski, Marks, and two grad students. Their research consists of running MATLAB programs, probably on Marks's office computer or in a common computer lab.  And now it turns out that the project isn't even affiliated with Baylor.  A bang-up year for ID, indeed.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,00:43   

Less than a month ago, Dembski was pounding his chest:  
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Dembski: I hope you catch from the interview the ambitiousness of the lab and how it promises to put people like Christoph Adami and Rob Pennock out of business (compare www.evolutionaryinformatics.org with devolab.cse.msu.edu).

Yes, by all means compare the two sites, and see who appears to be out of business.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,01:43   

Quote (Rob @ Aug. 19 2007,00:43)
Less than a month ago, Dembski was pounding his chest: ?
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Dembski: I hope you catch from the interview the ambitiousness of the lab and how it promises to put people like Christoph Adami and Rob Pennock out of business (compare www.evolutionaryinformatics.org with devolab.cse.msu.edu).

Yes, by all means compare the two sites, and see who appears to be out of business.

Bwahahaha. Ready, aim, RETRACT!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,03:03   

I'm suffering from withdrawal - two mornings without any new tard fix from UD.  Who do I complain to?

Bob

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carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,03:43   

Quote (Rob @ Aug. 19 2007,00:15)
? ?  
Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 17 2007,11:17)
Here is the money shot: Marks ?is free to resume work in the informatics lab on his own time. He is free to put up the website again so long as it includes a disclaimer that it does not represent Baylor's position.

[Editted to summarize rather than quote directly.]

Thanks for the info, carlsonjok. ?This is interesting, and not unexpected by those who were wondering why Baylor, after giving Dembski's Polyani Center the boot, would host this worthless project.

Dembski was apparently referring to this project when he said: ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Dembski: Happy New Year to all UD regulars. I expect 2007 to be a bang-up year for ID. Here are three things in particular I?m looking forward to in the coming year:

? 1. A new ID friendly research center at a major university. (This is not merely an idle wish stay tuned.)

Apparently it is merely an idle wish. ?Dembski's "research center" devolved into a "lab", which apparently consists of Dembski, Marks, and two grad students. Their research consists of running MATLAB programs, probably on Marks's office computer or in a common computer lab. And now it turns out that the project isn't even affiliated with Baylor. A bang-up year for ID, indeed.

It is an odd situation. Given the reaction, I have to assume Baylor was not in on the deal and Marks opened the lab on his own initiative. This is all armchair politics, but it almost seems as if they were trying to recreate the other great victory of the ID movement: L'affaire de Sternberg, hoping to have Baylor either roll over or over-react and give the movement a new martyr(1). The solution reached on August 9, as it were, accomplished neither. Which may explain why there have been no posts on UD, replete with allusions to French history(2), about the matter.

(1) Speaking of martyrs,has there been any sightings of Guillermo Gonzalez or has he outlived his usefulness?

(2)  Either Waterloo or Joan of Arc might have been referred to. Although it seems as if the Baylor administration possessed at least some of the skills of a Talleyrand.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,07:37   

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(From Rob) Dembski:  
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I expect 2007 to be a bang-up year for ID.

Perhaps he meant "bang-up" as in
http://67.19.177.10/newphotos/weird/weird889.jpg
or
http://67.19.177.10/newphotos/weird/weird868.jpg

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,08:18   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 19 2007,01:13)
Did you know William A Dembski can be rearranged to Skim Labia Mildew?

You do now.

But then can't we all?

Louis

P.S. Steve, this was one of the single funniest things I have read at AtBC. Kudos.

P.P.S. Lou's photos on the other hand were one of the scariest things I have ever seen at AtBC. One thread, one week, two entirely extreme reactions. I knew there was a reason I came here.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,08:38   

Quote (Louis @ Aug. 19 2007,16:18)
Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 19 2007,01:13)
Did you know William A Dembski can be rearranged to Skim Labia Mildew?

You do now.

But then can't we all?

Louis

P.S. Steve, this was one of the single funniest things I have read at AtBC. Kudos.

P.P.S. Lou's photos on the other hand were one of the scariest things I have ever seen at AtBC. One thread, one week, two entirely extreme reactions. I knew there was a reason I came here.

It also makes

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,08:43   

Quote (carlsonjok @ Aug. 17 2007,12:17)
? ?
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 17 2007,11:04)

...According to Richard's link earlier
http://www.worldmag.com/articles/13256
there is no longer any lab!

Well, you only saw the beginning of the article and your conclusion didn't match up with the articles title. So, I figured out how to read the article in it's entirety.Here is the money shot: Marks is free to resume work in the informatics lab on his own time. He is free to put up the website again so long as it includes a disclaimer that it does not represent Baylor's position.

[Editted to summarize rather than quote directly.]

I googled the phrase "Robert J. Marks fully endorses." That yielded two pages, one of which is the Evolution Debate Wire here. I reentered the phrase into the search box and a link to the entire article surfaced. It is not sitting behind any security, there are no disclaimers regarding its distribution, etc.

The World Magazine article obviously whitewashed an unpleasant denouement for the "lab." It recalls the Dembski affair at Baylor and states "Such hostility prompted Dembski to eventually leave the Waco, Texas, school for the friendlier landscape of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville and now Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary in Fort Worth." This obviously misrepresents those events - it was Dembski's inability to refrain from expressing his own hostility, in a gloating email to the Baylor academic community, that resulted in his separation from Baylor.

The World Magazine article summarizes the requirement for disclaimers imposed upon Marks thusly: "Kelley agreed that Marks was free to resume work in the informatics lab on his own time and repost his website, provided a disclaimer accompany any ID-advancing research to make clear that the work does not represent the university's position."

Hence the article is explicit that it is the presence of ID advocacy that triggers the need for the disclaimer.

Why would World Magazine present the event in the most positive light possible? I dunno. But here is an excerpt from their self-description:
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We believe that our purpose is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever-and forever begins right now. We like sex, within marriage. We're not amoral hedonists, but we're not stoic moralists either. We like the vines and fig trees God gives us. We read novels, go to movies, and listen to classical music but also jazz. We prefer ice cream to cotton candy. We cover movies, yoga, artists and travel; we aren't Christians with rules against anything that's fun because God made fun, too.

(That is some weird shit.)

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,09:08   

Perhaps Marks just has better inter-personal skills than Dembski, and he didn't piss off his colleagues.

Bob
EDIT: just a thought: how would UD and others in the ID crowd have reacted if anyone else had been treated in this way?  Surely there would have been complaints about "Sternberging" and loss of academic freedom.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,09:17   

Quote (stevestory @ Aug. 18 2007,19:13)
Did you know William A Dembski can be rearranged to Skim Labia Mildew?

You do now.

Also: Dim likable swami.

Bonus anagram: Spiro Agnew = Grow a penis

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,09:26   

And one more for william a dembski: Kill web ID miasma

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,09:28   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Aug. 19 2007,08:43)
 
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We believe that our purpose is to glorify God and enjoy Him forever-and forever begins right now. We like sex, within marriage. We're not amoral hedonists, but we're not stoic moralists either. We like the vines and fig trees God gives us. We read novels, go to movies, and listen to classical music but also jazz. We prefer ice cream to cotton candy. We cover movies, yoga, artists and travel; we aren't Christians with rules against anything that's fun because God made fun, too.

I'm glad that they clarified that for us. Indeed, it now seems weirdly appropriate that an anagram for Robert J. Marks is

Bra Jerk Storm

Good clean fun, I'm sure.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,10:31   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Aug. 19 2007,04:03)
I'm suffering from withdrawal - two mornings without any new tard fix from UD.  Who do I complain to?

Bob

I just went there, and there are big heaping piles of tard.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,10:40   

Ah, but not new tard.  

Ah, but now there is: Denyse is so happy - of the many newspapers in the US, one has finally published a positive review of Behe's book.

Bob

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2007,11:26   

In the manner of Lord Byron and Ben Johnson*:

I have another anagram of "William A Dembski" for you. This one is poetry, very clever and it rhymes:

William Dembski is a dishonest tit.

Louis

* Ben Johnson, the playwright, was once engaged in a frivolous competition with the poet John Sylvester to create an improvised poem in which they rhymed their own names.

John Sylvester started with: "I John Sylvester, sleep with your sister"

Ben Johnson replied with: "I Ben Johnson, sleep with your wife"

When Sylvester complained that it didn't rhyme, Ben Johnson replied "No, but it's true!".

And in the same Byronic manner, surely Dembski's tombstone must one day read: "Posterity will never see, a nobler grave than this, Here lie the bones of Dembski, stop traveller and piss."

Too far?

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