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FrankH



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,12:49   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 14 2009,12:47)
I suppose I should have put that in quotes, but who could mistake the authorship?

Lemme guess, everyone's favorite, female(?), Canadian "writer"?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,13:00   

Quote (FrankH @ Oct. 14 2009,12:49)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 14 2009,12:47)
I suppose I should have put that in quotes, but who could mistake the authorship?

Lemme guess, everyone's favorite, female(?), Canadian "writer"?

Actually the quote was discussed just a few posts back.
More of a male mere creationist.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,13:23   

I probably shouldn't do this but I can't help myself:

 
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spark300c

10/13/2009

12:29 pm

in this vid I clam that 2nd law encourages genetic decay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpApuOy-3v0


OMG,

we're doomed, DOOOMED! Waterloo is imminent! Just watch the video and realise that the really intelligent people are all in favour of ID.

(he's got even a PART II! I love his illustrations, e.g. at 2:05)

I'll now stand in the corner and think about what I've done.

ETA: OMG ONOZ

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,13:39   

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Bilboe

10/14/2009

12:26 pm

I was able to get the book at Baker Book House last Friday. I think the retroactive effects of the Fall would explain it. We could just say that creation had been subjected to futility from the beginning, because Adam and Eve rebel in the garden of Eden (an island paradise in a fallen world). If Behe’s argument is correct, then things like the malaria parasite were actually designed, not just devolved. In that case, Satanic design seems the most likely explanation. Prof. Dembski suggests that Satan was given authority of the Earth retroactively, because of the Edenic Fall. I think C.S. Lewis would have offered a different explanation of why Satan had authority over Earth. But either way, we have a planet that in some way is under the dominion of a fallen angel, which would explain designed natural evil. I applaud Prof. Dembski for adopting Lewis’s view, which is certainly against today’s “mental environment.”


"In that case, Satanic design seems the most likely explanation."

...




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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,13:41   





Edited by Lou FCD on Oct. 15 2009,00:12

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,13:51   

Quote (JLT @ Oct. 14 2009,13:23)
I probably shouldn't do this but I can't help myself:

       
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spark300c
10/13/2009
12:29 pm
in this vid I clam that 2nd law encourages genetic decay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpApuOy-3v0

OMG, we're doomed, DOOOMED! Waterloo is imminent! Just watch the video and realise that the really intelligent people are all in favour of ID.
(he's got even a PART II! I love his illustrations, e.g. at 2:05)

I'll now stand in the corner and think about what I've done.

oh. my. goodness.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,14:05   

You guys aren't even a little bit troubled by the destructive power of radaition?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,14:13   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 14 2009,20:05)
You guys aren't even a little bit troubled by the destructive power of radaition?

I'm more concerned about the fact that natural secletion isn't 100 % efficient.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,14:14   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 14 2009,14:05)
You guys aren't even a little bit troubled by the destructive power of radaition?

Not when I'm wearing my tinfoil underware!

Then I'm impervious to your death ray eyes!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,14:20   

Quote (FrankH @ Oct. 14 2009,14:14)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 14 2009,14:05)
You guys aren't even a little bit troubled by the destructive power of radaition?

Not when I'm wearing my tinfoil underware!

Then I'm impervious to your death ray eyes!


Oh Yeah?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,14:43   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 14 2009,14:20)
Quote (FrankH @ Oct. 14 2009,14:14)
Quote (midwifetoad @ Oct. 14 2009,14:05)
You guys aren't even a little bit troubled by the destructive power of radaition?

Not when I'm wearing my tinfoil underware!

Then I'm impervious to your death ray eyes!


Oh Yeah?

"Damn you woman!"

Those are "Betty Davis Eyes" for which there is no cure.....

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,15:04   

Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 14 2009,06:23)
WAD's perfect apologetics:
     
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My approach, in a nutshell, is to argue that just as the salvation in Christ at the Cross saves backward in time as well as forward (the OT saints were saved in virtue of the Cross), so the effects of the Fall can be retroactive. This, it seems to me, preserves the most important thing that young-earth creationism has attempted to preserve, namely, that the sin of Adam brought ruin on the human race and on the physical world.

That is lunatic talk.

Maybe Dembski got his idea from this?:
NY Times
 
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No, I’m talking about the notion that the troubled collider is being sabotaged by its own future. A pair of otherwise distinguished physicists have suggested that the hypothesized Higgs boson, which physicists hope to produce with the collider, might be so abhorrent to nature that its creation would ripple backward through time and stop the collider before it could make one, like a time traveler who goes back in time to kill his grandfather.

Holger Bech Nielsen, of the Niels Bohr Institute in Copenhagen, and Masao Ninomiya of the Yukawa Institute for Theoretical Physics in Kyoto, Japan, put this idea forward in a series of papers with titles like “Test of Effect From Future in Large Hadron Collider: a Proposal” and “Search for Future Influence From LHC,” posted on the physics Web site arXiv.org in the last year and a half.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,15:31   

[quote=FrankH,Oct. 14 2009,12:49][/quote]
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Lemme guess, everyone's favorite, female(?), Canadian "writer"?


The information in the above statement is lacking.

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Lemme guess, everyone's favorite, female(?), Canadian "writer(?)"?


By Jonathan Wells' standards, does this constitute an increase in information?  I admit I'm a little rusty on informatics myself.  Ooh, I know, somebody ask Newton Dembski.  I think he's got a couple books and / or papers out on the subject.  Or something.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,17:28   

The key concept you don't get us that ID uses Wellsian* information. Wellsian information describes what something isn't, and then by using dembski's artificail bifurcation / proof by contradiction corruption of science, you can work out what it is ( the holmsian fallacy). So as wells describes things, we do learn about them, via negative information. So more stuff can gave a lover information content.

* also known as "lies"

** I did din this on a iPhones and it am teh suxors to post.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,17:44   

"the sin of Adam brought ruin on the human race and on the physical world" -- WAD



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,17:51   

Quote (FrankH @ Oct. 14 2009,12:13)
No, I think it became a religion.

"Dianetics" anyone?

Thank you.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,19:20   

Quote (JLT @ Oct. 14 2009,13:41)

Post of Teh Week !  
(or is this Photoshop of Teh Week?)

Good stuff either way.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,19:23   

Quote (deadman_932 @ Oct. 14 2009,17:44)
"the sin of Adam brought ruin on the human race and on the physical world" -- WAD


deadman - I think you reversed the images...

Homer > Dembski!

And write that down!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,22:08   

Quote (J-Dog @ Oct. 14 2009,19:20)
Quote (JLT @ Oct. 14 2009,13:41)

Post of Teh Week !  
(or is this Photoshop of Teh Week?)

Good stuff either way.

seconded

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2009,22:28   

Quote (JLT @ Oct. 14 2009,14:23)
I probably shouldn't do this but I can't help myself:

   
Quote
3

spark300c

10/13/2009

12:29 pm

in this vid I clam that 2nd law encourages genetic decay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpApuOy-3v0


OMG,

we're doomed, DOOOMED! Waterloo is imminent! Just watch the video and realise that the really intelligent people are all in favour of ID.

(he's got even a PART II! I love his illustrations, e.g. at 2:05)

I'll now stand in the corner and think about what I've done.

ETA: OMG ONOZ

ok i watched that bullshit i am just wondering....

spark300c

sparc

.....

hmmmmmmm

?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2009,08:24   

You have to love this:

Doomsday Smith:

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Whatever the actual reason, though, there’s still nothing in thermodynamics for either you or ID in general to latch onto and that poor horse is still stone-cold dead. If it seems like it’s still twitching a bit, that’s only because you keep whacking on it so much.


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2009,08:33   

Quote (KCdgw @ Oct. 15 2009,08:24)
You have to love this:

Doomsday Smith:

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Whatever the actual reason, though, there’s still nothing in thermodynamics for either you or ID in general to latch onto and that poor horse is still stone-cold dead. If it seems like it’s still twitching a bit, that’s only because you keep whacking on it so much.

Isn't nirwad Dembski?  Doomsday should just wave a "Ban Me!" flag.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2009,09:04   

i that we had determined that niwrad was likely the eye-taliban Giuseppe Sermonti.  he is definitely not english as first language.  he is also definitely a tard.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2009,10:09   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 15 2009,09:04)
i that we had determined that niwrad was likely the eye-taliban Giuseppe Sermonti.  he is definitely not english as first language.  he is also definitely a tard.

At the International House of Tardcakes, they have a special on Sermonti Spumoni. At's-a-good!

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2009,10:30   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Oct. 15 2009,10:04)
i that we had determined that niwrad was likely the eye-taliban Giuseppe Sermonti.  he is definitely not english as first language.  he is also definitely a tard.

For a while I thought that niwrad was gpuccio, but I think gpuccio's English was better. I wonder where gpuccio went?

He's definitely ESL, but I haven't figured out the first language from the mistakes in the second. I've eliminated Asian because he doesn't make single/plural mistakes.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2009,11:17   

My suspicion that niwrad is Giuseppe Sermonti is based on this exchange from way back in 2005, when I was still posting as 'keiths' and hadn't yet lost my ban-ginity to DaveTard.

In that dialogue, niwrad demonstrates an uncanny ability to tell us exactly what Sermonti is trying to say, what he thinks, and even what he is annoyed by.

Maybe niwrad is telepathic.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2009,11:53   

Quote (JLT @ Oct. 14 2009,19:41)



My very first POTW.
I'm so proud.

<sniff>

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2009,12:00   

Quote (KCdgw @ Oct. 15 2009,14:24)
You have to love this:

Doomsday Smith:

     
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Whatever the actual reason, though, there’s still nothing in thermodynamics for either you or ID in general to latch onto and that poor horse is still stone-cold dead. If it seems like it’s still twitching a bit, that’s only because you keep whacking on it so much.

eric B answers:
   
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In short, “mechanisms which can produce biological complexity derive power from the sun.” is a bogus concept, a fiction. There is no support whatsoever, either empirical or theoretical, for supposing there could be such a mechanism in an undirected prebiotic universe.


Funny. I always thought we knew such a mechanism....



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2009,12:09   

add the metabolic theory of macroecology and the energy/water availability theory of macroecology

nah don't bother.  you know UD is in sad shape when Yodel Elf is more innerstin'.  not that he's innerstin'.  just more innerstin'

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2009,12:34   

Quote (JLT @ Oct. 15 2009,10:00)
Quote (KCdgw @ Oct. 15 2009,14:24)
You have to love this:

Doomsday Smith:

     
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Whatever the actual reason, though, there’s still nothing in thermodynamics for either you or ID in general to latch onto and that poor horse is still stone-cold dead. If it seems like it’s still twitching a bit, that’s only because you keep whacking on it so much.

eric B answers:
     
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In short, “mechanisms which can produce biological complexity derive power from the sun.” is a bogus concept, a fiction. There is no support whatsoever, either empirical or theoretical, for supposing there could be such a mechanism in an undirected prebiotic universe.


Funny. I always thought we knew such a mechanism....


Actually, he probably would dismiss that.  Notice that "pre-biotic"?  He's got an abiogenesis hang-up.   Of course we do know of such a mechanism: chemistry.

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