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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2014,10:11   

Quote (fnxtr @ Oct. 06 2014,01:10)
And I suppose the black helicopter is out of gas again. Who didn't refuel this time?

Harrumph

Chevron card was maxed out. That last church was a big'un!

   
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2014,10:54   

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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Gary dines out on another shit sandwich.

Well no wonder he's infested with parasites.

As in all such cases, it's self-inflicted, so why is he looking for sympathy?

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2014,15:26   

Joseph Stalin would sure be proud of the modern day "science defenders". Here is another comment that was censored for religious reasons:

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Evidence that evolution happened is not evidence there is no intelligence at all in the systems biology related mechanism of the process. Changing the subject/goalposts from "intelligence" to whether evolution happened or not only helps spread misconceptions using oversimplifications, misleading generalizations, etc..

A much more scientifically rigorous reply to his cognitive science based problems look more like this explanation from text of the theory at - http://theoryofid.blogspot.com.../.....co.....com...

Cambrian Explosion

For over 3,000 million years there were just primitive (at most reflexive or simple tropism) multicellular colonies, then roughly 600 million years ago multicellular brains/intelligence took over surprisingly fast. Fossil and phylogenetic evidence shows that soon after the planet formed a solid crust molecular intelligence was already thriving. There is expected to have later been a proliferation of cellular intelligence including eukaryotic cells which have a nucleus and specialized organelles. Then a little over half billion years ago there was the Cambrian Explosion where multicellular biodiversity rapidly proliferated. At the dawn of multicellular intelligence, trilobites (now extinct arthropods) developed compound eyes of modern insects. Like other features of living things these relatively complex eyes rather suddenly appeared and are still here, in much the same form as in the beginning. Because of this we must account for a mechanism that can produce these exponential diversification rates found in the fossil record.



Chart supplied by Professor Joseph Meert

Exponential development of multicellular biodiversity is here easily accounted for by the exponential learning curve of a typical run of a computer model. In the run shown below a two lobe compound eye Intelligence Design Lab critter is kept busy chasing a feeder for one million (1000*1000) memory (write/read) cycles. The green foraging success line shows how well (on average) it is foraging on its own, keeping its stomach full. The blue line shows average confidence level, its perceived success rate. The black line shows total memory locations used of the entire addressing space. Each address is one of all unique experiences which can be stored in RAM, which has a size determined by the number of RAM addressing bits, sensors connected. The exponential increase in memory used relates to learning rate, even though much of what at first fills memory are guesses which may or may not have worked.



The familiar lines seen here are predicted to be representative of the development of multicellular intelligence just prior to and through the Cambrian Explosion.


http://ncse.com/blog.......4319516

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2014,16:05   

Gary, you've demonstrated beyond any reasonable doubt that you know as little about religion as you do about intelligence or learning theory.  I would suggest you know even less, but that is not possible.

Your effluent is being rejected on the merits.  The only one bringing 'religion' into the discussion is you.
It appears you do that rather than grapple with any of the huge number of issues raised against your "theory".
Gee.  Avoidance behavior.  Who would have expected that?

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2014,17:14   

You have not yet demonstrated that your "intelligence model" output has anything at all to do with the Cambrian explosion.  The axes in the Cambrian biodiversity are entirely unrelated to the axes in your model.  An increase to a plateau or to saturation or to a rate-limited maximum is an extremely common phenomenon: an exponential rise to a plateau can be modelled simply as Base + (Top - Base) (1-e^[-kx]) .  Thus this is not a similarity of any reasonable significance.  You have not demonstrated that your system is not simply reaching performance constraints inherent in your programming and your parameter ranges.

As always, all you have is a completely baseless assertion founded on your wishful thinking supported only by your essentially religious faith in a fixation that, while apparently evident to you, seems completely wrong-headed to everybody else.  

Michaelis–Menten kinetic model of a single-substrate reaction:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped....svg.png

Same thing in brewing technology: http://beerandwinejournal.com/michael....-menton

Saturation of hemoglobin with oxygen:
http://www.altitude.org/images.....aph.jpg

Modelled temperature rise depending on CO2 concentration:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-umxN07....es6.png

CO2 assimilation by growing cashew plants:
http://www.scielo.br/img........g01.gif

Photosynthetic output vs light intensity:
http://www.google.com/imgres?....ndsp=19

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2014,18:43   

Conspicuously absent from Gary's effluent is any consideration of kinetics or thermodynamics.
The sorts of things often posted on 'The Panda's Thumb' with respect to condensed matter physics and the relationship between protein structure, binding, and folding being very near chaotic points all involving thermodynamics, especially activation energies, are sufficient in and of themselves to dismiss Gary's twaddle as hopelessly irrelevant.
Not that there aren't countless reasons beyond kinetics and reaction dynamics.

Tell us, Gary, how is it meaningful to speak of molecules learning if they already 'know' everything they 'need' to?
What does a molecular learning curve look like?

  
Acartia_Bogart



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2014,20:31   

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What does a molecular learning curve look like?


More importantly, what does a Gary learning curve look like? If it were displayed on an ECG, the doctors would be greasing up the paddles.

  
fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 08 2014,21:44   

Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 08 2014,18:31)
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What does a molecular learning curve look like?


More importantly, what does a Gary learning curve look like? If it were displayed on an ECG, the doctors would be greasing up the paddles.

Reminds me of Emo Philips' bit about the cop asking him to walk a straight line...

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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2014,09:08   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 08 2014,23:26)
Joseph Stalin would sure be proud of the modern day "science defenders". Here is another comment that was censored for religious reasons:

 
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Evidence that evolution happened is not evidence there is no intelligence at all in the systems biology related mechanism of the process. Changing the subject/goalposts from "intelligence" to whether evolution happened or not only helps spread misconceptions using oversimplifications, misleading generalizations, etc..

A much more scientifically rigorous reply to his cognitive science based problems look more like this explanation from text of the theory at - http://theoryofid.blogspot.com.../.....co.....com...

Cambrian Explosion

For over 3,000 million years there were just primitive (at most reflexive or simple tropism) multicellular colonies, then roughly 600 million years ago multicellular brains/intelligence took over surprisingly fast. Fossil and phylogenetic evidence shows that soon after the planet formed a solid crust molecular intelligence was already thriving. There is expected to have later been a proliferation of cellular intelligence including eukaryotic cells which have a nucleus and specialized organelles. Then a little over half billion years ago there was the Cambrian Explosion where multicellular biodiversity rapidly proliferated. At the dawn of multicellular intelligence, trilobites (now extinct arthropods) developed compound eyes of modern insects. Like other features of living things these relatively complex eyes rather suddenly appeared and are still here, in much the same form as in the beginning. Because of this we must account for a mechanism that can produce these exponential diversification rates found in the fossil record.



Chart supplied by Professor Joseph Meert

Exponential development of multicellular biodiversity is here easily accounted for by the exponential learning curve of a typical run of a computer model. In the run shown below a two lobe compound eye Intelligence Design Lab critter is kept busy chasing a feeder for one million (1000*1000) memory (write/read) cycles. The green foraging success line shows how well (on average) it is foraging on its own, keeping its stomach full. The blue line shows average confidence level, its perceived success rate. The black line shows total memory locations used of the entire addressing space. Each address is one of all unique experiences which can be stored in RAM, which has a size determined by the number of RAM addressing bits, sensors connected. The exponential increase in memory used relates to learning rate, even though much of what at first fills memory are guesses which may or may not have worked.



The familiar lines seen here are predicted to be representative of the development of multicellular intelligence just prior to and through the Cambrian Explosion.


http://ncse.com/blog.......4319516

Tedious time wasting drivel Gary. You might as well graph apricots vs furlongs per fortnight. You don't have the slightest glimmer of reason. Your output is just deluded nonsense.
But you know that already. Your whole reason d'etre is to just get attention any sort will do. Heck you think abuse is praise, criticism affirmation and pain is pleasure. Simply you are human shit stain Gary.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2014,10:59   

On NPR the other day, they said don't give dogs attention, even negative attention, for bad behavior, because their desire for sociality is so strong that even negative attention is a reward.

Noted w/o comment.

   
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2014,11:44   

Good news!

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2014....3032604

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2014,11:50   

Wow. It's like a four-year-old borrowing daddy's tools and pretending to be a carpenter.

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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 09 2014,20:32   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 09 2014,11:44)
Good news!

http://sandwalk.blogspot.com/2014.......3032604

So, we have "discussion" and a toxic waste journal. In the words of Ambassador Mollari (sp?), how efficient of you.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2014,11:00   

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So, we have "discussion" and a toxic waste journal. In the words of Ambassador Mollari (sp?), how efficient of you.

Got the first season of that, watched maybe 4-5 eps. Hasn't hooked me yet. It's a little...off...idk...

   
Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2014,11:30   

A friend of ours compiled the "long war" story arc episodes and dropped out the rest, which was very helpful.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2014,19:00   

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Londo Mollari: The quiet ones are the ones that change the universe... The loud ones only take the credit.


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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2014,19:33   

Londo Mollari: Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you.

http://www.imdb.com/charact....ct....s

Evidently the quote referred to by Wesley.  It does rather jump out at one, given its applicability here.

  
Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 10 2014,21:24   

Babble on, five?

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 11 2014,07:23   

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Londo Mollari: The quiet ones are the ones that change the universe... The loud ones only take the credit.

Plainly Gary you don't understand irony. If you could suck as much as you blow the world's CO2 problem would be fixed in an afternoon. The only part of the universe you are going to change are shop hoardings in your neighborhood.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2014,20:48   

It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.

The religious head games are unbearable. I have to give up.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 15 2014,21:42   

If only.

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Cubist



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2014,04:45   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 15 2014,20:48)
It's only science.

Depending on the referent of the pronoun, this sentence may very well be true. Or not. [shrug]

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I have to give up.

Is that a promise?

  
k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2014,05:48   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 16 2014,04:48)
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.

The religious head games are unbearable. I have to give up.

Natural selection at work.

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"I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2014,06:33   

Again, you are the one with conclusions based on assertions rather than evidence and with not-so-sly references to trinities, chromosomal Adams and Eves, failed religion-based "theories", and "an eternal conscious loving 'spirit' ".

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2014,07:41   

Quote (Cubist @ Oct. 16 2014,04:45)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 15 2014,20:48)
It's only science.

Depending on the referent of the pronoun, this sentence may very well be true. Or not. [shrug]

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I have to give up.

Is that a promise?

If you don't mind all taxpayer funding being made gone then maybe we are all best off spending the money more wisely on something else.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2014,07:47   

Quote (N.Wells @ Oct. 16 2014,06:33)
Again, you are the one with conclusions based on assertions rather than evidence and with not-so-sly references to trinities, chromosomal Adams and Eves, failed religion-based "theories", and "an eternal conscious loving 'spirit' ".

And you are another scientifically useless piece of shit.

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2014,07:55   

Quote (k.e.. @ Oct. 16 2014,05:48)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 16 2014,04:48)
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.
It's only science.

The religious head games are unbearable. I have to give up.

Natural selection at work.

Yes you too can write a book about Natural Selection! Preach it in the schools! Get a science degree then start your own tax-free Evolutionary Creationism church for Atheists! Yee-Haa!!

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GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2014,08:08   

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If only.

I tried, but it didn't work.

I'll just delight in the fact that the very serious loss of public trust (in the academic/government scientific system) now works towards my political advantage. It is just the expected outcome of the loss of credibility I often spoke about.

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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2014,08:41   

So attention whore can't stay away -- surprising no-one -- and finally admits his battle is a political one that has bugger all to do with science.

Surprising no-one.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 16 2014,08:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Oct. 16 2014,09:08)
Quote (fnxtr @ Oct. 15 2014,21:42)
If only.

I tried, but it didn't work.

I'll just delight in the fact that the very serious loss of public trust (in the academic/government scientific system) now works towards my political advantage. It is just the expected outcome of the loss of credibility I often spoke about.

Well, of course you're happy to see any discussion shift to the political.  It's the only place you have any chance.  It's the only place it's acceptable to throw words together because they sound good to the speaker, or because the speaker thinks they will sound good to the intended audience [you only do the former, btw].
You don't 'do science'.
You don't know any science.
You are to science as first order logic is to steeple-chase horse racing.  If that.

You can't give up what you've never done, so stop whinging about being 'forced' [by the brute facts of reality, honestly] to 'give up' science.

  
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