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Tracy P. Hamilton



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,10:46   

Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 26 2012,09:30)
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vjtorley: Are crows capable of reasoning about hidden causal agents? Five reasons for skepticism

First. Crows can't reason because they "are unable to explain the basis of their judgments".

Second. Crows can't reason because they can't "justify their claims in the court of public opinion, and if they cannot do so, they are rightly ignored."

Third. Crows can't reason about causation because causation "is quite a sophisticated concept".

Fourth. Crows can't reason because vjtorley is confused about causation.

Fifth. One cannot help wondering what would happen if vjtorley actually took the time and effort to observe crows?

Sixth. Crows don't understand Caws and Effect.

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"Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV

"The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen

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onlooker



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,10:51   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 25 2012,13:16)
Joe is a learning opportunity.  I know, intellectually, that he is no doubt a physical coward who would never dare make statements like that to a person's face.  I also know from his online history that he is none too mentally gifted.  Both of these characteristics warrant compassion.

Nonetheless, I will have to meditate repeatedly before I can let go of the desire to see a video of someone swinging through his hometown and defending Lizzie's honor.

Joe is an easily ignored blowhard.

Does anyone know what is up with Mung?  He's at least as unpleasant and ignorant as Joe, but he also has a bitterness that reminds me of the weaselly little kids who would hang around with bullies, encouraging bad behavior that they weren't capable of committing on their own.  I don't think he's any less of a coward than Joe, but he strikes me as the type who would key a car or drop a dime on a fake police report to harass someone if he thought he could get away with it.  He just gives a nasty vibe overall.

  
onlooker



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,10:53   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Sep. 26 2012,10:46)
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 26 2012,09:30)
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vjtorley: Are crows capable of reasoning about hidden causal agents? Five reasons for skepticism

First. Crows can't reason because they "are unable to explain the basis of their judgments".

Second. Crows can't reason because they can't "justify their claims in the court of public opinion, and if they cannot do so, they are rightly ignored."

Third. Crows can't reason about causation because causation "is quite a sophisticated concept".

Fourth. Crows can't reason because vjtorley is confused about causation.

Fifth. One cannot help wondering what would happen if vjtorley actually took the time and effort to observe crows?

Sixth. Crows don't understand Caws and Effect.

I snorted, I admit it.

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,11:27   

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Sep. 26 2012,10:46)
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 26 2012,09:30)
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vjtorley: Are crows capable of reasoning about hidden causal agents? Five reasons for skepticism

First. Crows can't reason because they "are unable to explain the basis of their judgments".

Second. Crows can't reason because they can't "justify their claims in the court of public opinion, and if they cannot do so, they are rightly ignored."

Third. Crows can't reason about causation because causation "is quite a sophisticated concept".

Fourth. Crows can't reason because vjtorley is confused about causation.

Fifth. One cannot help wondering what would happen if vjtorley actually took the time and effort to observe crows?

Sixth. Crows don't understand Caws and Effect.

Drat! Missed that.

We're eating crow.

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Amadan



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,12:34   

Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 26 2012,17:27)
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Sep. 26 2012,10:46)
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 26 2012,09:30)
 
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vjtorley: Are crows capable of reasoning about hidden causal agents? Five reasons for skepticism

First. Crows can't reason because they "are unable to explain the basis of their judgments".

Second. Crows can't reason because they can't "justify their claims in the court of public opinion, and if they cannot do so, they are rightly ignored."

Third. Crows can't reason about causation because causation "is quite a sophisticated concept".

Fourth. Crows can't reason because vjtorley is confused about causation.

Fifth. One cannot help wondering what would happen if vjtorley actually took the time and effort to observe crows?

Sixth. Crows don't understand Caws and Effect.

Drat! Missed that.

We're eating crow.

But they're raven mad.

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"People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011
JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

   
Freddie



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,13:27   

Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 26 2012,12:34)
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 26 2012,17:27)
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vjtorley: Are crows capable of reasoning about hidden causal agents? Five reasons for skepticism

First. Crows can't reason because they "are unable to explain the basis of their judgments".

Second. Crows can't reason because they can't "justify their claims in the court of public opinion, and if they cannot do so, they are rightly ignored."

Third. Crows can't reason about causation because causation "is quite a sophisticated concept".

Fourth. Crows can't reason because vjtorley is confused about causation.

Fifth. One cannot help wondering what would happen if vjtorley actually took the time and effort to observe crows?

Sixth. Crows don't understand Caws and Effect.

Drat! Missed that.

We're eating crow.

But they're raven mad.

Should we carrion with this pun cascade or rook to move it to the Bathroom wall?

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Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy.
Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people.
Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,13:30   

Quote (Freddie @ Sep. 26 2012,13:27)
 
Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 26 2012,12:34)
 
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vjtorley: Are crows capable of reasoning about hidden causal agents? Five reasons for skepticism

First. Crows can't reason because they "are unable to explain the basis of their judgments".

Second. Crows can't reason because they can't "justify their claims in the court of public opinion, and if they cannot do so, they are rightly ignored."

Third. Crows can't reason about causation because causation "is quite a sophisticated concept".

Fourth. Crows can't reason because vjtorley is confused about causation.

Fifth. One cannot help wondering what would happen if vjtorley actually took the time and effort to observe crows?

Sixth. Crows don't understand Caws and Effect.

Drat! Missed that.

We're eating crow.

But they're raven mad.

Should we carrion with this pun cascade or rook to move it to the Bathroom wall?



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oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,16:33   

Murder!

Edited by oldmanintheskydidntdoit on Sep. 26 2012,16:33

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
Soapy Sam



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,18:01   

Quote (onlooker @ Sep. 26 2012,10:51)
 
Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 25 2012,13:16)
Joe is a learning opportunity.  I know, intellectually, that he is no doubt a physical coward who would never dare make statements like that to a person's face.  I also know from his online history that he is none too mentally gifted.  Both of these characteristics warrant compassion.

Nonetheless, I will have to meditate repeatedly before I can let go of the desire to see a video of someone swinging through his hometown and defending Lizzie's honor.

Joe is an easily ignored blowhard.

Does anyone know what is up with Mung?  He's at least as unpleasant and ignorant as Joe, but he also has a bitterness that reminds me of the weaselly little kids who would hang around with bullies, encouraging bad behavior that they weren't capable of committing on their own.  I don't think he's any less of a coward than Joe, but he strikes me as the type who would key a car or drop a dime on a fake police report to harass someone if he thought he could get away with it.  He just gives a nasty vibe overall.

Yes, I get the feeling Mung has bolded up of late. He has picked up the street style by hanging around with the bigger kids.

UD does seem to attract or bring out a particular strain of in-yer-face Christian. Which is by no means to everyone's taste, even in the theistic world. A short thread on Christians in Science dismissed UD as "that inbred and vitriolic site". Which, let's face it, is why it attracts attention. Being wrong in style is what it's all about; the more front the better!

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SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G

BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,21:35   

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Meanwhile, bornagain77 teaches Joe about relativity.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....-434174

In related news, my cat is teaching next door's golden retriever about Post-Impressionism.

I frequently discuss that great art movement the no-Pointellists with my postman.


http://www.pnas.org/content....ml?etoc

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Pointillist structural color in Pollia fruit
Silvia Vignolinia, Paula J. Rudallb, Alice V. Rowlandb, Alison Reedc, Edwige Moyroudc, Robert B. Fadend, Jeremy J. Baumberga, Beverley J. Gloverc,1, and Ullrich Steinera,1
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Biological communication by means of structural color has existed for at least 500 million years. Structural color is commonly observed in the animal kingdom, but has been little studied in plants. We present a striking example of multilayer-based strong iridescent coloration in plants, in the fruit of Pollia condensata. The color is caused by Bragg reflection of helicoidally stacked cellulose microfibrils that form multilayers in the cell walls of the epicarp. We demonstrate that animals and plants have convergently evolved multilayer-based photonic structures to generate colors using entirely distinct materials. The bright blue coloration of this fruit is more intense than that of any previously described biological material. Uniquely in nature, the reflected color differs from cell to cell, as the layer thicknesses in the multilayer stack vary, giving the fruit a striking pixelated or pointillist appearance. Because the multilayers form with both helicoidicities, optical characterization reveals that the reflected light from every epidermal cell is polarized circularly either to the left or to the right, a feature that has never previously been observed in a single tissue.


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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
sparc



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2012,22:29   

lmgtfy

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"[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God."

- William Dembski -

   
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,01:11   

The color is caused by Bragg reflection of helicoidally stacked cellulose microfibrils that form multilayers in the cell walls of the epicarp.








Sorry, sometimes The Onion just breaks me up.

  
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,05:59   

Quote (Freddie @ Sep. 26 2012,13:27)
Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 26 2012,12:34)
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vjtorley: Are crows capable of reasoning about hidden causal agents? Five reasons for skepticism

First. Crows can't reason because they "are unable to explain the basis of their judgments".

Second. Crows can't reason because they can't "justify their claims in the court of public opinion, and if they cannot do so, they are rightly ignored."

Third. Crows can't reason about causation because causation "is quite a sophisticated concept".

Fourth. Crows can't reason because vjtorley is confused about causation.

Fifth. One cannot help wondering what would happen if vjtorley actually took the time and effort to observe crows?

Sixth. Crows don't understand Caws and Effect.

Drat! Missed that.

We're eating crow.

But they're raven mad.

Should we carrion with this pun cascade or rook to move it to the Bathroom wall?

Keep it here so we can all see how choughed we are with ourselves.

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It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

   
Bob O'H



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,05:59   

Quote (Erasmus, FCD @ Sep. 26 2012,09:36)
hauté attardé

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....=relmfu

Cor, vid.

Sorry.

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It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

   
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,06:28   

Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 26 2012,09:30)
   
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vjtorley: Are crows capable of reasoning about hidden causal agents? Five reasons for skepticism

First. Crows can't reason because they "are unable to explain the basis of their judgments".

Second. Crows can't reason because they can't "justify their claims in the court of public opinion, and if they cannot do so, they are rightly ignored."

Third. Crows can't reason about causation because causation "is quite a sophisticated concept".

Fourth. Crows can't reason because vjtorley is confused about causation.

Fifth. One cannot help wondering what would happen if vjtorley actually took the time and effort to observe crows?

   
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mahuna,

May I politely suggest that you really shouldn’t accuse someone with a Ph.D. in philosophy of not understanding the post hoc, ergo propter hoc fallacy.

Yeah, that sheepskin makes your thinking golden.  Just ask Dr. Dr. Dembski.

Link if you want to bother.

ETA: Dembski and Torley are both notoriously carpless.  Post carp, ergo prompter carp.

Edited by CeilingCat on Sep. 27 2012,06:30

  
CeilingCat



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,06:38   

Dr. Torley explains his reasoning:  
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You ask why the question of whether crows are rational matters. I can think of two big reasons, right off the top of my head. One is religious and the other is political. First, a demonstration that non-human animals are capable of abstract reasoning of any sort – let alone reasoning about hidden causal agents – would discredit claims made by most adherents of Judaism, Christianity and Islam that human beings alone are made in the image of God, thanks to their possession of reason (see here and here and here). After all, if other animals can reason too, then we’re obviously no longer unique, are we?

Second, if other animals are considered to be capable of reasoning, then political rights for these animals are sure to follow. The recent Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness recently declared that “Evidence of near human-like levels of consciousness has been most dramatically observed in African grey parrots” (italics mine) – an assertion that I criticized here. At the 2012 meeting in Vancouver, Canada, of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, support was reiterated for a cetacean bill of rights, listing cetaceans as “non-human persons.”


Shorter answer: I don't want animals to be able to think, therefore they don't.  

Evidence be damned.

Link

Edited by CeilingCat on Sep. 27 2012,06:39

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,06:52   

He is right about one thing however.

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Whatever we think with, it’s not with our brains.


No, really.

Here is Dr. Torley looking for what he thinks with:


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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,07:17   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 27 2012,05:59)
Quote (Freddie @ Sep. 26 2012,13:27)
 
Quote (Amadan @ Sep. 26 2012,12:34)
 
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 26 2012,17:27)

Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Sep. 26 2012,10:46)
   
Quote (Zachriel @ Sep. 26 2012,09:30)

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vjtorley: Are crows capable of reasoning about hidden causal agents? Five reasons for skepticism

First. Crows can't reason because they "are unable to explain the basis of their judgments".

Second. Crows can't reason because they can't "justify their claims in the court of public opinion, and if they cannot do so, they are rightly ignored."

Third. Crows can't reason about causation because causation "is quite a sophisticated concept".

Fourth. Crows can't reason because vjtorley is confused about causation.

Fifth. One cannot help wondering what would happen if vjtorley actually took the time and effort to observe crows?

Sixth. Crows don't understand Caws and Effect.

Drat! Missed that.

We're eating crow.

But they're raven mad.

Should we carrion with this pun cascade or rook to move it to the Bathroom wall?

Keep it here so we can all see how choughed we are with ourselves.

You would be too if you drove a Corvus.

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Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,07:24   

Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 27 2012,07:38)
Dr. Torley explains his reasoning:    
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You ask why the question of whether crows are rational matters. I can think of two big reasons, right off the top of my head. One is religious and the other is political. First, a demonstration that non-human animals are capable of abstract reasoning of any sort – let alone reasoning about hidden causal agents – would discredit claims made by most adherents of Judaism, Christianity and Islam that human beings alone are made in the image of God, thanks to their possession of reason (see here and here and here). After all, if other animals can reason too, then we’re obviously no longer unique, are we?

Second, if other animals are considered to be capable of reasoning, then political rights for these animals are sure to follow. The recent Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness recently declared that “Evidence of near human-like levels of consciousness has been most dramatically observed in African grey parrots” (italics mine) – an assertion that I criticized here. At the 2012 meeting in Vancouver, Canada, of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, support was reiterated for a cetacean bill of rights, listing cetaceans as “non-human persons.”


Shorter answer: I don't want animals to be able to think, therefore they don't.  

Evidence be damned.

Link

It's like the fool sat down and TRIED to think of the most fallacious set of arguments from consequences that was possible for this dataset.  fuck me that is hilarious

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Erasmus, FCD



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,07:29   

Quote (Bob O'H @ Sep. 27 2012,06:59)
Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Sep. 26 2012,09:36)
hauté attardé

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v....=relmfu

Cor, vid.

Sorry.



wee wee wee, monsewer!

this discussion is a bit too Garrulus for my druthers

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,07:47   

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JLAfan2001September: If animals can reason, what separates us from them?

Mung: They’re food.



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,08:45   

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Everything is food, food, food
Everything is food to go
Everything is food for thought
Everything you knead is dough

It is food
Everything is food

Everything is meat, meat, meat
Careful what you put on your feet
Once it lived on an animal
Now it walks along with you
It could be food Food, food, food

It is food
Everything is food

Everything is upside down now
Everything is sunny side up
It's ubiquitous
Enigmatic and They can't trick us
With no hot dogmatic

It is food, food, food
And it's full of flavor
Food, food, food
It's so good to savor

Everything is food, food, food
Everything is upside down
Everything is sunny side up
It's ubiquitous
Enigmatic and They can't trick us
With no hot dogmatic

It's food, food, food
Make no mistake about it
Food, food, food

Never ever doubt it
Food, food, food
Everything is food


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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,09:12   

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JLAfan2001September: If animals can reason, what separates us from them?

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Mung: They’re food.






HAMLET: Your
worm is your only emperor for diet: we fat all
creatures else to fat us, and we fat ourselves for
maggots: your fat king and your lean beggar is but
variable service, two dishes, but to one table:
that's the end.

KING CLAUDIUS: Alas, alas!

HAMLET: A man may fish with the worm that hath eat of a
king, and cat of the fish that hath fed of that worm.

KING CLAUDIUS: What dost you mean by this?

HAMLET: Nothing but to show you how a king may go a
progress through the guts of a beggar.

Edited by Zachriel on Sep. 27 2012,09:30

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,09:57   

"I'm gonna turn you into poo!" -- Chris Griffin.

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"[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory

"Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,10:50   

Haven't posted the National Anthem in a while:

Wheear 'ast tha bin sin' ah saw thee, ah saw thee?
On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
Wheear 'ast tha bin sin' ah saw thee, ah saw thee? Wheear 'ast tha bin sin' ah saw thee?
On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at

Tha's been a cooartin' Mary Jane...

Tha's bahn' to catch thy deeath o` cowd...

Then us'll ha' to bury thee...

Then t'worms'll come an` eyt thee up...

Then t'ducks'll come an` eyt up t'worms...

Then us'll go an` eyt up t'ducks...

Then us'll all ha' etten thee...

That's wheear we get us ooan back


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Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers

There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

  
oldmanintheskydidntdoit



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,12:15   

At TSZ someone mentioned something about Upright and the Huffpo (spit). Anyone got a link/know more?

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I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".
FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand
Gordon Mullings

  
damitall



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,12:42   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 27 2012,12:15)
At TSZ someone mentioned something about Upright and the Huffpo (spit). Anyone got a link/know more?

Does this help?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social....omments

He's been at it some time, it seems

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,12:47   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 27 2012,13:15)
At TSZ someone mentioned something about Upright and the Huffpo (spit). Anyone got a link/know more?

I found three links to some of Upright BiPed's leakage outside of UD.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,13:00   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 27 2012,13:47)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 27 2012,13:15)
At TSZ someone mentioned something about Upright and the Huffpo (spit). Anyone got a link/know more?

I found three links to some of Upright BiPed's leakage outside of UD.

Kuhn!!!!1!!!

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You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat

I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2012,13:11   

Quote (Patrick @ Sep. 27 2012,12:47)
Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Sep. 27 2012,13:15)
At TSZ someone mentioned something about Upright and the Huffpo (spit). Anyone got a link/know more?

I found three links to some of Upright BiPed's leakage outside of UD.

"Leakage" suggests UB's straw man is soaked in oil of Olelstra.

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Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

  
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