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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2014,09:00   

Quote (N.Wells @ Sep. 22 2014,20:12)
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I differ a bit from what NoName said here.  He's absolutely right that every successful new theory must eventually explain everything explained by the previous theory and more, but it's not always the case that new theories incorporate old theories in doing so.  The classic incorporation is Newtonian physics continuing to work just fine within Einsteinian relativity, just as long as you and/or the stuff that you are considering are not moving at velocities or energies near the speed of light.  In other cases, however, a theory can completely be displaced by a newer and better theory.  Phlogiston theory didn't get subsumed into better chemistry, but got tossed onto the dunghill of bad ideas.  Plate tectonics is intermediate: the concept of "stable continents" went to the dunghill, but geosynclines and eugeosynclines and orogenic belts were incorporated into a fuller description and better explanations.
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I'm not sure we're in disagreement.
Absolutely every single fact that phlogiston or stable continent theory purported to explain remains a fact accommodated within the replacement theories.  Every single correct logical implication is contained within subsequent theories.  The things we know continue to constrain the sorts of errors possible to new theories.
Both phlogiston theory and stable continent theory were falsified -- each had logical implications that contradicted 'facts on the ground', each encountered evidence that they not only failed to accommodate but literally could not accommodate due to their logical structure and the inferences that followed therefrom.

In an rather overblown sense, Gary's "theory" has suffered the same fate.  It has logical consequences inherent to its claims and structure that are known to be false.  It encounters facts in the world it cannot accommodate.
It is perhaps incorrect to speak of something which doesn't even rise to the level of hypothesis as being falsified, but insofar as Gary's effluent has the occasional floating blob of sense rising out of the word vomit, it has been shown to be false, illogical, incoherent, and incapable of doing the job(s) claimed for it.

Gary's belief that his "theory" makes sense perhaps deserves its own page in the DSM.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2014,17:37   

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Absolutely every single fact that phlogiston or stable continent theory purported to explain remains a fact accommodated within the replacement theories.  Every single correct logical implication is contained within subsequent theories.


Hi, NoName.  

Replacement of one theory by another is a really interesting  topic, and it is certainly true that there are many cases of new theories subsuming previous theories.  The combination of electricity and magnetism into Maxwell's theory of electromagnetism is a classic example.  The incorporation of genetics into Darwinian theory to make the NeoDarwinian Synthesis is another.  However, I am unsure that this is true for the demise of phlogiston theory.

Phlogiston theory was 180 degrees wrong, and bought into the existence of a substance that didn't exist, so it was utterly refuted.  Phlogistons were supposed to be an undetectable substance that was released into the air during burning.  To some degree, phlogistons are anti-oxygen and "dephlogistication" (combustion) is oxidation, so whatever is said about phlogistication can sort of sound like a reversed description of oxidation, which could support a claim of phlogiston theory being subsumed into the caloric theory of combustion.  We can sort of say that the facts of combustion, oxidation/reduction, and "calcination" sort of made it through the transition into the new paradigm, but in reality some were barely and mostly improperly understood as facts beforehand (oxidation and reduction), and others became obsolete afterward (calcination).  So I think "tossed out in its entirety" is a better description of what happened.  The ability of a substance to burn was supposed to be due to its phlogiston content: more phlogistons, more fire.  However, air supposedly can't take up many phlogistons, so a candle burning in a closed bell-jar snuffs out when the air becomes saturated with phlogistons.  Loss of mass on burning was ascribed to loss of phlogistons (rather than loss of CO2 and gain of O2).  Charcoal leaves no ash because it is supposedly nearly pure phlogiston: some metal ashes can be turned back into metals when heated with charcoal (burned with a reducing flame) because the charcoal restores the levels of phlogistons in the ash.  Breathing was considered to be the process of removing phlogistons from the body.

Lavoisier showed that some substances such as magnesium and also phosphorus and sulphur gain mass when they burn, despite supposedly losing phlogiston, which led some pro-phlogiston chemists to suggest that phlogistons had negative mass.  Lavoisier also showed that that combustion requires a gas (later identified as oxygen) that has mass which can be measured by means of carefully weighing closed vessels, that metal oxides (then called calyces, like calyx of mercury) release oxygen when reduced, and that water could be formed from combining oxygen and hydrogen.  By carefully weighing materials and balancing masses, he developed stochiometry and moved chemistry from more of a philosophically-based alchemy (where phlogistons reigned) to more of a lab-bench science (where oxygen and oxidation/reduction reactions could be properly understood).  Priestley had discovered oxygen, but called it "dephlogisticated air", while Lavoisier figured out that it was a gas, called it oxygen, and explained its reactions.

There's an interesting description of why people bought into phlogistons, at http://lesswrong.com/lw.........lw.....  Elizer Yudkowsky says      
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Of course, one didn't use phlogiston theory to predict the outcome of a chemical transformation.  You looked at the result first, then you used phlogiston theory to explain it.  It's not that phlogiston theorists predicted a flame would extinguish in a closed container; rather they lit a flame in a container, watched it go out, and then said, "The air must have become saturated with phlogiston."  You couldn't even use phlogiston theory to say what you ought not to see; it could explain everything.  This was an earlier age of science.  For a long time, no one realized there was a problem.  Fake explanations don't feel fake.  That's what makes them dangerous. ......

It feels like an explanation.  It's represented using the same cognitive data format.  But the human mind does not automatically detect when a cause has an unconstraining arrow to its effect. Worse, thanks to hindsight bias, it may feel like the cause constrains the effect, when it was merely fitted to the effect.


That makes it sound like people talked about phlogistons somewhat in the way that Gary talks about intelligence: it's an incantation that appears to him to be an explanation, without him seeing that his words are completely ungrounded.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 23 2014,23:24   

A really interesting topic:

http://research.microsoft.com/apps....021&l=i

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2014,09:48   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 24 2014,07:24)
A really interesting topic:

http://research.microsoft.com/apps.......021&l=i

In your case Gary your common sense falls into the idiot basket of ID.
JoeG links your garbage enough said.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2014,21:55   

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Phlogistons were supposed to be an undetectable substance that was released into the air during burning.

And a positive electric charge was supposed to be the presence of the type of particle that was actually moving around. :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 24 2014,22:23   

Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 24 2014,21:55)
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Phlogistons were supposed to be an undetectable substance that was released into the air during burning.

And a positive electric charge was supposed to be the presence of the type of particle that was actually moving around. :)

An excellent example of science that is shocking when ungrounded, thank you. :)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2014,02:12   

Oh and something I earlier wrote elsewhere in reply to the video:

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What is being sensed from the moving balls and triangles+circle makes perfect sense in regards to confidence driven motion/navigational memory systems that deal with uncertainty by guessing what the next step might be. It's more or less predictable that we would be especially good at extracting motion information.


And see PBS Nova "Rise of the Hackers" for great info on how the quantum world seems to work in computationally astonishing ways that are good to know about and muscle coordination type memory used by our brain in sequencing music (without our being conscious of it working).

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh....rs.html

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2014,07:17   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 25 2014,03:12)
Oh and something I earlier wrote elsewhere in reply to the video:

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What is being sensed from the moving balls and triangles+circle makes perfect sense in regards to confidence driven motion/navigational memory systems that deal with uncertainty by guessing what the next step might be. It's more or less predictable that we would be especially good at extracting motion information.


And see PBS Nova "Rise of the Hackers" for great info on how the quantum world seems to work in computationally astonishing ways that are good to know about and muscle coordination type memory used by our brain in sequencing music (without our being conscious of it working).

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh.......rs.html

Once again confusing the map with the territory.
Models of things are not those things.  Things are not the models made of them.
This ought to be obvious if for no other reason than the simple fact that things can be modeled in multiple different ways.

And, as always, your focus on computational modeling as the sine qua non of knowledge, of science, is not merely wrong, it is absurd.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 25 2014,07:23   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 25 2014,10:12)
Oh and something I earlier wrote elsewhere in reply to the video:

 
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What is being sensed from the moving balls and triangles+circle makes perfect sense in regards to confidence driven motion/navigational memory systems that deal with uncertainty by guessing what the next step might be. It's more or less predictable that we would be especially good at extracting motion information.


And see PBS Nova "Rise of the Hackers" for great info on how the quantum world seems to work in computationally astonishing ways that are good to know about and muscle coordination type memory used by our brain in sequencing music (without our being conscious of it working).

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh.......rs.html

Pure Bullshit Gary. You're feeble waffling about intelligence predicts absolutely sweet fuck all. Now your random association of buzz words maligns musicians. I'm sure they would be fascinated by your insights....

Here's two things you will never hear over a loud speaker system.
1. Could the banjo player please move his Maserati. (A simple demonstration of the proper way to insult musicians)
2. Gary Gualin please step forward for this years intelligence prize.(or is that what his faded motif was?)

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2014,14:45   

In regards to comment by Graham2 at Uncommon Descent:
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y237602
   
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September 25, 2014 at 6:11 pm

Blasphemy crosses the line. Graham2 is no longer with us.
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I just Googled "Blasphemy" and the top hit was:

MTV News - Katy Perry Explains Her Lady Gaga ‘Blasphemy’ Tweet
   
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“You know, when Madonna was on a cross, and sometimes my boyfriend will say things that are a little bit ‘eh’ for me, from where I come from,” she said of her upbringing with her parents, who are both pastors. .....

Perry said that regardless of her opinions on using religion in pop culture, she still loves Gaga. .....

Excellent synchronicity!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2014,22:49   

Quote (k.e.. @ Sep. 25 2014,05:23)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 25 2014,10:12)
Oh and something I earlier wrote elsewhere in reply to the video:

 
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What is being sensed from the moving balls and triangles+circle makes perfect sense in regards to confidence driven motion/navigational memory systems that deal with uncertainty by guessing what the next step might be. It's more or less predictable that we would be especially good at extracting motion information.


And see PBS Nova "Rise of the Hackers" for great info on how the quantum world seems to work in computationally astonishing ways that are good to know about and muscle coordination type memory used by our brain in sequencing music (without our being conscious of it working).

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh.......rs.html

Pure Bullshit Gary. You're feeble waffling about intelligence predicts absolutely sweet fuck all. Now your random association of buzz words maligns musicians. I'm sure they would be fascinated by your insights....

Here's two things you will never hear over a loud speaker system.
1. Could the banjo player please move his Maserati. (A simple demonstration of the proper way to insult musicians)
2. Gary Gualin please step forward for this years intelligence prize.(or is that what his faded motif was?)

Yeah, someone's been fapping to "The Dancing Wu-Li Masters" again.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2014,23:32   

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....y237624
 
Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Sep. 26 2014,20:03)
 
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UD's Moron competition:

   
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MungSeptember 26, 2014 at 4:12 pm
Joe:

The ordinary use has information containing meaning. It is only in specific cases would someone say that information does not have any meaning.

Only a moron would say that “meaningless information” is a coherent concept.

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Barry ArringtonSeptember 26, 2014 at 4:18 pm
No Mung, Shannon information may not have “meaning” as we commonly understand that term.

I googed "meaningless information" and google said: "did you mean uncommon descent?"  ;)


I'm impressed. This sounds to me like our long awaited googling robot overlord just came online and already proved they have a wonderful human sense of humor, which of course must exist in the system or else it's not human intelligence and their AI needs more work.

From the start-up messages in the video featuring the last attempt it's clear that one very badly failed. See:
Juice Rap News Mocks the Singularity, Kurzweil, Alex Jones

And ironically, the googling AI prototype looks like their human counterpart progenitor is none other than MARINA AND THE DIAMONDS | "I AM NOT A ROBOT"

With all considered the singularity is more than meeting my expectations. Have to love the culture change, and whatever.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2014,23:51   

Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 26 2014,22:49)
Yeah, someone's been fapping to "The Dancing Wu-Li Masters" again.

I know no fappening Wu-Li but I-D is happening here:
http://ncse.com/blog.......5985279

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2014,08:01   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 27 2014,00:51)
Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 26 2014,22:49)
Yeah, someone's been fapping to "The Dancing Wu-Li Masters" again.

I know no fappening Wu-Li but I-D is happening here:
http://ncse.com/blog.......5985279

Laura Mersini-Houghton has a fantastic albanian accent. I used to chat with her in Chapel Hill 7-8 years ago.

She would not have had nice things to say about Gary, though.

   
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2014,08:56   

3. Another thing that will never be heard on a loudspeaker (since the FCC shut him down) Gaulin's Saturday night DJ for one gig. (In common with JoeG he's his only audience).

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2014,11:58   

Twas writ:  
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3. Another thing that will never be heard on a loudspeaker (since the FCC shut him down) Gaulin's Saturday night DJ for one gig. (In common with JoeG he's his only audience).


Gee, I lasted more than 6 weeks on KUMM, the UM Morris' alternative FM radio station - prolly because I had a better playlist.  :)  :)   :)

Gadzooks this Goo Goo guy's a hoot!

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2014,17:38   

Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 27 2014,08:01)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 27 2014,00:51)
Quote (fnxtr @ Sep. 26 2014,22:49)
Yeah, someone's been fapping to "The Dancing Wu-Li Masters" again.

I know no fappening Wu-Li but I-D is happening here:
http://ncse.com/blog.......5985279

Laura Mersini-Houghton has a fantastic albanian accent. I used to chat with her in Chapel Hill 7-8 years ago.

She would not have had nice things to say about Gary, though.

I can't possibly keep up on every one of the thousands of such things on the internet right now. But you're welcome to explain your thoughts about Wu-Li and I-D in my thread.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2014,18:00   

Quote (jeffox @ Sep. 27 2014,11:58)
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3. Another thing that will never be heard on a loudspeaker (since the FCC shut him down) Gaulin's Saturday night DJ for one gig. (In common with JoeG he's his only audience).


Gee, I lasted more than 6 weeks on KUMM, the UM Morris' alternative FM radio station - prolly because I had a better playlist.  :)  :)   :)

Gadzooks this Goo Goo guy's a hoot!

"W I Don't Know" lasted over two years. But that's because I over time created an AI Mister-DJ to do the announcing and such. I would otherwise not have the time to program a 24/7 very low power station.

My problems with the FCC were more or less from a science experiment gone astray. I did not see it as competing for radio listeners, or even needed any for it to still be a success. Mister-DJ proved to be novel text to speech technology (most never heard before) but it could not compete with human imagination that is far less boring than simple AI, and early digital speech that sounded awful anyway.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2014,18:20   

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"W I Don't Know" lasted over two years. But that's because I over time created an AI Mister-DJ to do the announcing and such. I would otherwise not have the time to program a 24/7 very low power station.

My problems with the FCC were more or less from a science experiment gone astray. I did not see it as competing for radio listeners, or even needed any for it to still be a success. Mister-DJ proved to be novel text to speech technology (most never heard before) but it could not compete with human imagination that is far less boring than simple AI, and early digital speech that sounded awful anyway.


You can program, you can set up a low-power FM station, and you can fix up a mass spec.  Lots of people can't do those things.  On the other hand, every sentence that you write (like the ones just quoted) shows that you have at best a tin ear for English.  You've also demonstrated that you can't do science and that you don't understand basic biology, or evidence and definitions.  You confuse metaphor with reality, and models with proof.  Likewise, everybody (but you) knows that you don't screw with the FCC and that you can't broadcast on controlled wavelengths.  You are never, ever going to fix the many fatal flaws in your not-a-theory (heck, you won't even address them).  Those are all areas that you are never, ever going to win in, so why not play to your strengths and switch to doing something that can be rewarding?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2014,19:18   

The ID Lab computer model evidence to go along with the Cambrian Explosion is still holding up to the latest fossil evidence:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums....-664328

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2014,21:56   

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The ID Lab computer model evidence to go along with the Cambrian Explosion is still holding up to the latest fossil evidence:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....-664328

Oh for crying out loud.  

1) When the Doushantuo Phosphorite fossils were discovered back in 1998, some researchers argued that they were embryos of multicellular animals.  This was made problematic by the fact that no adult forms were ever found, but one alternative since then has been that animals evolved to an embryo-like stage (which is really a very, very simple form of multicellular animal life) before they evolved more complicated "adult-type" stages.  The new research provides new and better evidence that some of these fossils include primitive multicellular forms, but the news articles are overselling the discovery.   We've been teaching that multicellular animals have probably been around since about 600 m.y. for over 15 years.  The recently discovered Haootia shows early muscles, although that much was implied by even earlier trace fossils made by bilaterians.  Kimberella showed probable early mollusks.   Namacalathus, known for over a decade, shows slight early calcification ("hard parts") over the 10 million years before the Cambrian.  The Ediacaran has been (mostly) understood since 1959 as demonstrating pre-Cambrian multicellular animal life.  Its dating has been difficult to establish, with its beginning generally placed somewhere between 550 and 635 m.y. ago.

2) Your program is not relevant to the Cambrian explosion and does not predict it.  

3) A lot happened fairly quickly during the " Explosion", thus justifying the name, but you, like creationists, are exaggerating its explosiveness.  The lead-in to the "explosion" (the Ediacaran, during which animal life develops prior to the Cambrian) covers at minimum almost as long as from the last non-avian dinosaurs to us, and possibly half as long again.  The Cambrian part of the Cambrian explosion adds another few tens of millions of years.  In short, you are calling this sudden, but it is not.

http://www.geol.umd.edu/~hcui......ran.pdf

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2014,23:06   

Oh for crying out loud I'm busy studying how to program LPU's ha ha!

http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....-664350

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2014,23:57   

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Oh for crying out loud I'm busy studying how to program LPU's ha ha!

http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....-664350

No you aren't.  When Lazar's group is trying to emulate the fruit fly brain, they are working hard to ground-truth their model, to make sure that what they are modelling matches the real fruit-fly brain and how it works.  For example at 21 minutes they show that they are at pains to make the input signal from the emulated retina match what happens with the real thing.  You don't do that.  You are just labelling crap in your model with no regard to how well you are matching reality.  For example, you gave your insect the wrong number of legs and you gave it two things you called hippocampi when you made no effort to ensure that they worked like real hippocampi, and in complete disregard of the fact that insects don't even have hippocampi.  Lazar says that the fundamental challenge coming up is validation of the simulation in the biological sense.  You don't even see why that is necessary.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2014,00:14   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 28 2014,07:06)
Oh for crying out loud I'm busy studying how to program LPU's ha ha!

http://www.kurzweilai.net/forums.....-664350

Hey Gary why don't you model a computer with tools from your vocation .....cardboard, scalpel and glue.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2014,12:41   

Quote (N.Wells @ Sep. 27 2014,21:56)

3) A lot happened fairly quickly during the " Explosion", thus justifying the name, but you, like creationists, are exaggerating its explosiveness.  The lead-in to the "explosion" (the Ediacaran, during which animal life develops prior to the Cambrian) covers at minimum almost as long as from the last non-avian dinosaurs to us, and possibly half as long again.  The Cambrian part of the Cambrian explosion adds another few tens of millions of years.  In short, you are calling this sudden, but it is not.

http://www.geol.umd.edu/~hcui......ran.pdf

Thanks for the link to that paper! I needed that one.

And the timeline Joe Meert gave me is still up to date.



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 28 2014,22:04   

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Quote (N.Wells @ Sep. 27 2014,21:56)

3) A lot happened fairly quickly during the " Explosion", thus justifying the name, but you, like creationists, are exaggerating its explosiveness.  The lead-in to the "explosion" (the Ediacaran, during which animal life develops prior to the Cambrian) covers at minimum almost as long as from the last non-avian dinosaurs to us, and possibly half as long again.  The Cambrian part of the Cambrian explosion adds another few tens of millions of years.  In short, you are calling this sudden, but it is not.

http://www.geol.umd.edu/~hcui......ran.pdf

Thanks for the link to that paper! I needed that one.

And the timeline Joe Meert gave me is still up to date.


So what's that got to do with ID's (and your) claims that life didn't evolve but was designed by a nonsectarian?

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2014,00:04   

Finally, Gary's work got noticed outside ot his Separate Thread:
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It sounds like he’s [Dembski] set up some sort of abstract mathematics that has no grounding in reality. ([b]Kind of analogous to that guy does in one thread over on AtBC.[b])


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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2014,02:29   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 26 2014,14:45)
I just Googled "Blasphemy" and the top hit was:

MTV News - Katy Perry Explains Her Lady Gaga ‘Blasphemy’ Tweet
         
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“You know, when Madonna was on a cross, and sometimes my boyfriend will say things that are a little bit ‘eh’ for me, from where I come from,” she said of her upbringing with her parents, who are both pastors. .....

Perry said that regardless of her opinions on using religion in pop culture, she still loves Gaga. .....

Excellent synchronicity!



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You couldn't identify an "intelligent cause" if it struck you upside the head. Google gave you a shitty 4 year old "MTV news" story about Katy "Devil Child" Perry* + blasphemy as a tailored top search result because you spend quite a bit of your time browsing and playing music videos. When you aren't posting links to them here for nobody to click on that is. FFS.


* Devil Child is how her own father has described her in more than a sermon or two at his tongue babbling ministry.

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 04 2014,19:20   

Quote (Lethean @ Oct. 04 2014,02:29)
 
Quote (GaryGaulin @ Sep. 26 2014,14:45)
I just Googled "Blasphemy" and the top hit was:

MTV News - Katy Perry Explains Her Lady Gaga ‘Blasphemy’ Tweet
           
Quote
“You know, when Madonna was on a cross, and sometimes my boyfriend will say things that are a little bit ‘eh’ for me, from where I come from,” she said of her upbringing with her parents, who are both pastors. .....

Perry said that regardless of her opinions on using religion in pop culture, she still loves Gaga. .....

Excellent synchronicity!



Syncronicity-Shminkrunisity

You couldn't identify an "intelligent cause" if it struck you upside the head. Google gave you a shitty 4 year old "MTV news" story about Katy "Devil Child" Perry* + blasphemy as a tailored top search result because you spend quite a bit of your time browsing and playing music videos. When you aren't posting links to them here for nobody to click on that is. FFS.


* Devil Child is how her own father has described her in more than a sermon or two at his tongue babbling ministry.

"...you're one of my kind."[sheldon&penny]

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(Permalink) Posted: Oct. 05 2014,08:22   

Gary, if you don't take your own ideas seriously, why should anyone else?

  
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