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REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2014,18:56    Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 29 2014,12:10) You missed the best bit (bolded):   Quote Now as it happens, I’m working on a theory and simulation that says that the Big Bang *did* make oxygen, lots of it, so that the missing “dark matter” of the galaxies is nothing more nor less than ice, as found in comets. And since we have already shown that comets carry fossil bacteria and bio-engineered magnetites, then we don’t need to wait for the planet-finder mission to find us a Cinderella-zone Earthlike planet–we have billions of habitable comets moving in and out of Cinderella zones, flourishing and freezing like the mosquito population of Canada. Settled science, that is.  No longer in question. My head had already 'sploded at the total revision of nucleosynthesis and the inversion of the definition of dark matter.....

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2014,01:11    Quote (REC @ Sep. 29 2014,16:56) Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 29 2014,12:10) You missed the best bit (bolded):     Quote Now as it happens, I’m working on a theory and simulation that says that the Big Bang *did* make oxygen, lots of it, so that the missing “dark matter” of the galaxies is nothing more nor less than ice, as found in comets. And since we have already shown that comets carry fossil bacteria and bio-engineered magnetites, then we don’t need to wait for the planet-finder mission to find us a Cinderella-zone Earthlike planet–we have billions of habitable comets moving in and out of Cinderella zones, flourishing and freezing like the mosquito population of Canada. Settled science, that is.  No longer in question. My head had already 'sploded at the total revision of nucleosynthesis and the inversion of the definition of dark matter..... I don't have a problem with ice being dark matter.  We get black ice on the roads here every winter - that's pretty dark in my book.  I had no idea it was non-baryonic, though. Perhaps this explains JoeG's groundbreaking "ice is not water" discovery. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2014,07:38    Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 30 2014,09:11) Quote (REC @ Sep. 29 2014,16:56) Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 29 2014,12:10) You missed the best bit (bolded):     Quote Now as it happens, I’m working on a theory and simulation that says that the Big Bang *did* make oxygen, lots of it, so that the missing “dark matter” of the galaxies is nothing more nor less than ice, as found in comets. And since we have already shown that comets carry fossil bacteria and bio-engineered magnetites, then we don’t need to wait for the planet-finder mission to find us a Cinderella-zone Earthlike planet–we have billions of habitable comets moving in and out of Cinderella zones, flourishing and freezing like the mosquito population of Canada. Settled science, that is.  No longer in question. My head had already 'sploded at the total revision of nucleosynthesis and the inversion of the definition of dark matter..... I don't have a problem with ice being dark matter.  We get black ice on the roads here every winter - that's pretty dark in my book.  I had no idea it was non-baryonic, though. Perhaps this explains JoeG's groundbreaking "ice is not water" discovery. Maybe you don't have a problem with dark matter being ice but I do. Photons would slip off the curves. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2014,07:57    In the Santa vs Jesus thread (UD URL is too long to work - just search for Santa Claus and it's comment 24), Barb nails it:           Quote Mohandas Gandhi stated that he loved Christ but did not like Christians. Napoleon Bonaparte and Malcolm Muggeridge also spoke of Christ. If he never existed, then who are they talking about? Why would they allude to a mythical figure to make their points? You'd have to be pretty cynical to doubt the existence of God after that evidence!  Gandhi, Napoleon and an actor!  What more do you need? At "Why Evolution is True", Jerry (What Does Jerry Coyne Know About Evolution?) Coyne brings up the same thread here.       Quote I don’t read the Intelligent Design (ID) websites, but alert—and masochistic—reader Richard called my attention to a comment (or rather a moderated comment) on a post at the ID site Uncommon Descent. 12 Graham2 September 25, 2014 at 6:11 pm Blasphemy crosses the line. Graham2 is no longer with us. Which is an odd piece of editing if ID isn't religious in nature. P.S. Is alert and masochistic Richard one of us?

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2014,09:46    Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 30 2014,15:57) In the Santa vs Jesus thread (UD URL is too long to work - just search for Santa Claus and it's comment 24), Barb nails it:             Quote Mohandas Gandhi stated that he loved Christ but did not like Christians. Napoleon Bonaparte and Malcolm Muggeridge also spoke of Christ. If he never existed, then who are they talking about? Why would they allude to a mythical figure to make their points? You'd have to be pretty cynical to doubt the existence of God after that evidence!  Gandhi, Napoleon and an actor!  What more do you need? At "Why Evolution is True", Jerry (What Does Jerry Coyne Know About Evolution?) Coyne brings up the same thread here.         Quote I don’t read the Intelligent Design (ID) websites, but alert—and masochistic—reader Richard called my attention to a comment (or rather a moderated comment) on a post at the ID site Uncommon Descent. 12 Graham2 September 25, 2014 at 6:11 pm Blasphemy crosses the line. Graham2 is no longer with us. Which is an odd piece of editing if ID isn't religious in nature. P.S. Is alert and masochistic Richard one of us? Richard is the Mahatma Gandhi of alert and the Napoleon of of masochistic so maybe. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2014,13:32    Quote (CeilingCat @ Sep. 30 2014,07:57) In the Santa vs Jesus thread (UD URL is too long to work - just search for Santa Claus and it's comment 24), Barb nails it:               Quote Mohandas Gandhi stated that he loved Christ but did not like Christians. Napoleon Bonaparte and Malcolm Muggeridge also spoke of Christ. If he never existed, then who are they talking about? Why would they allude to a mythical figure to make their points? You'd have to be pretty cynical to doubt the existence of God after that evidence!  Gandhi, Napoleon and an actor!  What more do you need? Pssst, Muggeridge wasn't an actor. He was an intellectual on the radio. He was old, but I don't think even he would have been old enough to have known Christ personally. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,07:11    Wasn't he the one that was responsible for foisting Mother (Pain is good for you.) Theresa on the world? I may have my Brits mixed up. Edit for one teeny period. Edited by CeilingCat on Oct. 01 2014,07:12

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,08:15    OK, OK, I know this seems impossible, but it looks like Barry might have learned irony. In a post titled Ironic Bluster he starts Quote I’m not done mining the rich little vein of error ore that Evolve managed to compress into one paragraph.  Evolve writes:  “DNA is a chemical molecule whose components are present in nature. It is not a software program.” and then goes on to castigate Evolve for suggesting that DNA doesn't carry information. As Barry writes Quote The irony of someone pushing an idea with a confidence that is inversely proportionate to its veracity is rather amusing (if one finds irony amusing, and readers of these pages know I do). -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,08:48    So what's that then.... meta-irony, or something? Irony2? Irony once removed? eta fractal irony? Ironic recursion? -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,09:29    Rust. -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,09:35    Quote (fnxtr @ Oct. 01 2014,06:48) So what's that then.... meta-irony, or something? Irony2? Irony once removed? eta fractal irony? Ironic recursion? Moebius irony? Kaluza-Klein irony? SUSY irony? -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,10:34    Quote (fnxtr @ Oct. 01 2014,16:48) So what's that then.... meta-irony, or something? Irony2? Irony once removed? eta fractal irony? Ironic recursion? No just tastes like Iron it's a gut thing.... -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,11:16    Irony, Fe sequel ?

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,11:34    Quote (Henry J @ Oct. 01 2014,19:16) Irony, Fe sequel ? Nefarious agendas -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,12:02    barry the idiot: Quote Science “Proves” Nothing October 1, 2014 Posted by Barry Arrington under Intelligent Design 5 Comments When someone says “the science is settled” one of two things is true:  (1) they know better and are lying; or (2) they are deeply ignorant about the philosophy of science. Quote wd400October 1, 2014 at 10:34 am Quote    When someone says “the science is settled” one of two things is true: (1) they know better and are lying; or (2) they are deeply ignorant about the philosophy of science. Or (3), they are talking like normal human beings and by “settled” they mean the evidence is so strong it would be perverse to hark on the tiny fraction of a percent of the possibility that the claim is wrong. The earth really is not flat, it really does orbit the sun and carbon dioxide really is a greenhouse gas. Not amount of freshman philosophy courses changes that. Quote 2 Barry ArringtonOctober 1, 2014 at 10:40 am wd400: Quote    Or (3), they are talking like normal human beings and by “settled” they mean the evidence is so strong it would be perverse to hark on the tiny fraction of a percent of the possibility that the claim is wrong. The earth really is not flat, it really does orbit the sun and carbon dioxide really is a greenhouse gas. Not amount of freshman philosophy courses changes that. wd400, you do not appear to understand the difference between data and scientific models. Do you seriously believe there is a tiny fraction of a percent possibility that the earth is flat or that it really orbits the sun? Thank you for illustrating the point that materialists are so blinded by their religious commitments that they say crazy things like their theory to account for the facts (i.e., their scientific model) is the same as the facts themselves. Quote 3 wd400October 1, 2014 at 10:50 am Quote    wd400, you do not appear to understand the difference between data and scientific models. Do you seriously believe there is a tiny fraction of a percent possibility that the earth is flat or that it really orbits the sun? Yes. don’t you? If you don’t then is the science not indeed settled? Quote 5 Barry ArringtonOctober 1, 2014 at 10:54 am No What a moron! linky Edited by stevestory on Oct. 01 2014,13:03

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,12:14    Reminds me of michael crichton's bullshit about how there's no such thing as scientific consensus.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,13:55    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 01 2014,12:14) Reminds me of michael crichton's bullshit about how there's no such thing as scientific consensus. Which, ironically, created the consensus amongst scientists that he was talking crap. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Acartia_Bogart Posts: 2927 Joined: Sep. 2014 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,15:18    Quote Barry: Thank you for illustrating the point that materialists are so blinded by their religious commitments that they say crazy things like their theory to account for the facts (i.e., their scientific model) is the same as the facts themselves. Quote Barry: For you to say that you do shows once again that you are deeply confused. Quote Barry: Thank you also for this little tidbit. Your failure to understand the difference between data and models that account for that data (which, incredibly, you repeated after correction) suggests that you should perhaps attend a freshman philosophy course instead of dismissing its relevance so flippantly. Once again we have a materialist pushing a claim with a confidence, indeed a relish, that is inversely proportional to its veracity. Quote Barry: Nailing Jello to the wall is child’s play compared to having a rational discussion with a committed materialist. Their religion requires them to be dogmatically assertive one moment and infinitely flexible the next. Tough religion. And funny too, in a kind of sad/pathetic way. At what point did Barry start a rational discussion? All I see is insult after insult.

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,23:06    wd400:   Quote The “point” is that Barry said something that many anti-science folks (from GMO critics on to global warming skeptics and everyone in between) say, but which I think it a very silly argument. I said why I think this is a silly arugment in the hope that there might be less silly arguments made, though I appear to have failed in that goal… I'm sorry, you have reached Room 12A, Arguments. To make a complaint, you need to go next door, Complaints. -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,23:12    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 01 2014,13:18) At what point did Barry start a rational discussion? All I see is insult after insult. You may have stepped into Room 12, Abuse, in the Department of Arguments. -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 01 2014,23:35    Barry 'Patience of a Saint' Arrington:   Quote RB:    “The earth is round” is a scientific model, not a “fact on the ground.” Sigh. Really Bill? If your religion requires you to say something so preposterous, I guess you have to do it (or, I suppose, you could switch religions). said with *tilt of his head to the left* *gentle eye-roll* *hint of a smile* *slight rise of the eyebrows* *dilation of the pupils* So, Bill, how did you manage to elicit a man-crush from Barry? Also, new sig. -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2014,06:49    -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2014,11:03    Lewontin! And I was there! Take me now. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2014,11:20    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 02 2014,09:03) Lewontin! And I was there! Take me now. Further down the thread: Quote 76  kairosfocus  October 2, 2014 at 8:05 am RB, that’s a turnabout tactic, though not the vicious form. Oh, how sweet!  He likes you! -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2014,12:17    Paraquin   Quote said with *tilt of his head to the left* *gentle eye-roll* *hint of a smile* *slight rise of the eyebrows* *dilation of the pupils* I experienced it as a nervous tic motion of the head to the left. A nervous tic motion, of the what? Of the head to the left. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2014,12:50    Quote (Acartia_Bogart @ Oct. 01 2014,16:18) Quote Barry: Thank you also for this little tidbit. Your failure to understand the difference between data and models that account for that data (which, incredibly, you repeated after correction) suggests that you should perhaps attend a freshman philosophy course instead of dismissing its relevance so flippantly. Once again we have a materialist pushing a claim with a confidence, indeed a relish, that is inversely proportional to its veracity. the funny thing is, he's likely talking to someone whose had a freshman Phi o Sci course, while he hasn't.

rossum Posts: 289 Joined: Dec. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2014,14:54    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Oct. 02 2014,12:17) Paraquin   Quote said with *tilt of his head to the left* *gentle eye-roll* *hint of a smile* *slight rise of the eyebrows* *dilation of the pupils* I experienced it as a nervous tic motion of the head to the left. A nervous tic motion, of the what? Of the head to the left. The head to the left?  You mean Zaphod Beeblebrox posts at UD?  Hooda Thunkit! And is that to our left or to his left? rossum -------------- The ultimate truth is that there is no ultimate truth.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2014,15:07    KF: Quote 127 kairosfocusOctober 2, 2014 at 6:21 am Box, you have to remember the deeply indoctrinated, confused onlooker. One has to creep before one walks, much less runs or flies or swims. KF Creeping, the precursor to swimming and flying. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2014,18:46    Quote (Richardthughes @ Oct. 02 2014,15:07) KF: Quote 127 kairosfocusOctober 2, 2014 at 6:21 am Box, you have to remember the deeply indoctrinated, confused onlooker. One has to creep before one walks, much less runs or flies or swims. KF Creeping, the precursor to swimming and flying. Sounds a lot like evolution to me. Barry should bad Gordo immediately for heresy. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 02 2014,21:39    Quote Creeping, the precursor to swimming and flying. Not to mention crawling, walking, hopping, slithering, gliding, etc. I guess propulsion using flagella would count as swimming. Then there's also what squid and octopi do. Henry

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