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Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,14:24    Quote The issue is not whether information to solve problems is provided, it is whether the particular information of a derived solution state is somehow part of the system. That isn't any issue that I am aware of. And it sounds like a strawman to me -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,14:29    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,13:51) Genetic Algorithms and Heuristic Search Even wikipedia says that GAs are search heuristics abnd then they say it mimics natural selection, which everyone knows isn't a search heuristic. You are stunningly dumb. The abstract in that link Quote Genetic algorithms GAs and heuristic search are shown to be structurally similarThe strength of the correspondence and its practical consequences are demonstrated by considering the relationship between fitness functions in GAs and the heuristic functions of AI By examining the extent to which fitness functions approximate an AI ideal a measure of GA search difficulty is defined and applied to previously studied problems The success of the measure in predicting GA performance illustrates the potential advantages of viewing evolutionary search from a heuristic search perspective and appears to be an important step towards answering a question that has been the subject of much research in the GAs community what makes search hard or easy for a GA? But I guess wikipedia is the ultimate authority. We should ignore all the other things you say then. Oh wait, Wikipedia says that ID is stupid and evolution is correct. Problem solved. Thanks Joe. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,14:31    Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 11 2014,14:29) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,13:51) Genetic Algorithms and Heuristic Search Even wikipedia says that GAs are search heuristics abnd then they say it mimics natural selection, which everyone knows isn't a search heuristic. You are stunningly dumb. The abstract in that link Quote Genetic algorithms GAs and heuristic search are shown to be structurally similarThe strength of the correspondence and its practical consequences are demonstrated by considering the relationship between fitness functions in GAs and the heuristic functions of AI By examining the extent to which fitness functions approximate an AI ideal a measure of GA search difficulty is defined and applied to previously studied problems The success of the measure in predicting GA performance illustrates the potential advantages of viewing evolutionary search from a heuristic search perspective and appears to be an important step towards answering a question that has been the subject of much research in the GAs community what makes search hard or easy for a GA? But I guess wikipedia is the ultimate authority. We should ignore all the other things you say then. Oh wait, Wikipedia says that ID is stupid and evolution is correct. Problem solved. Thanks Joe. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Kevin I read the entire paper. It supports my claim and refutes yours. And ID still isn't anti-evolution. Your willful ignorance, while amusing, means nothing. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,14:33    Kevin McCarthy, so fucking stupid that he doesn't even know what an algorithm is. Show me a GA that isn't a search heuristic and I show you something that isn't a GA. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

OgreMkV Posts: 3668 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,14:40    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,14:33) Kevin McCarthy, so fucking stupid that he doesn't even know what an algorithm is. Show me a GA that isn't a search heuristic and I show you something that isn't a GA. You said that a lot of things support your point of view.  Let's just say that you aren't a reliable source. There's no point in arguing with you, you have decided something and no amount of truth, evidence, or discussion will change your mind. See ya -------------- Ignored by those who can't provide evidence for their claims. http://skepticink.com/smilodo....retreat

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,14:42    Quote (OgreMkV @ Sep. 11 2014,14:40) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,14:33) Kevin McCarthy, so fucking stupid that he doesn't even know what an algorithm is. Show me a GA that isn't a search heuristic and I show you something that isn't a GA. You said that a lot of things support your point of view.  Let's just say that you aren't a reliable source. There's no point in arguing with you, you have decided something and no amount of truth, evidence, or discussion will change your mind. See ya Kevin you are nothing but a wimpy cry-baby loser. Run away and cower as you always do. You are a reliable source of lies and bullshit. Keep up the good work. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,14:45    Quote You said that a lot of things support your point of view. And every time I have said it I have supported it. OTOH you have always choked on what I post for support. Now you seem to think that your choking somehow means something. Weird -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,14:52    Quote There's no point in arguing with you, You're too stupid and dishonest to argue with me. Quote you have decided something and no amount of truth, evidence, or discussion will change your mind. Spoken like a cowardly liar. Nicely done. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,15:03    Joe's argument redux: YOU CAN'T FIT ALL OF NATURE IN A COMPUTER!!!!1111111 priceless. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,15:09    Bonus Tard: https://plus.google.com/1144716....ts -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,15:36    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,15:03) Joe's argument redux: YOU CAN'T FIT ALL OF NATURE IN A COMPUTER!!!!1111111 priceless. And another asshole lying coward chimes in with more pathetic bullshit. Priceless, indeed -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,15:43    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,15:03) Joe's argument redux: YOU CAN'T FIT ALL OF NATURE IN A COMPUTER!!!!1111111 priceless. When all is lost we can always count on Richie's lies, attacks and cowardice. Ole reliable cupcake comes through again. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,15:47    hmmm - looks like there's a big chicken in that parking lot. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,15:58    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,15:47) hmmm - looks like there's a big chicken in that parking lot. And it looks like Richardthughes, the cowardly bastard -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:02    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,15:58) Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,15:47) hmmm - looks like there's a big chicken in that parking lot. And it looks like Richardthughes, the cowardly bastard uh-huh. Now that ID is but a twitching corpse and Barry has made UD 'Christian Apologetics Central', have you moved onto broader science denying like climate change, or vaccines? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:04    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:02) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,15:58) Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,15:47) hmmm - looks like there's a big chicken in that parking lot. And it looks like Richardthughes, the cowardly bastard uh-huh. Now that ID is but a twitching corpse and Barry has made UD 'Christian Apologetics Central', have you moved onto broader science denying like climate change, or vaccines? ID is going stronger than ever. Just because you are ignorant doesn't mean anything to me. Climate change? Yes it does. Is manmade CO2 causing it?Maybe just a little. Man has more to do with urban heat islands than anything. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:06    Does anyone else agree with Kevin, aka Ogre/ smilodon, that not all genetic algorithms are not search heuristics? Can anyone show us a genetic algorithm that isn't a search heuristic? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:11    Sig for Sale: Chubbs: ID is going stronger than ever http://www.google.com/trends....0design -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:13    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:11) Sig for Sale: Chubbs: ID is going stronger than ever http://www.google.com/trends.....0design Well, cupcake, evolutionism doesn't have anything going for it except a bunch of lying evoTARDs. BTW I was talking about the evidence for ID being stronger. I don't care about alleged internet interest. You are proud to be a dishonest Dick. Strange -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:15    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:11) Sig for Sale: Chubbs: ID is going stronger than ever http://www.google.com/trends.....0design LoL! What a dipshit. Internet trends are not scientific evidence for the strength of ID. How fucking desperate are you? Or is it ignorance? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:17    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,16:15) Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:11) Sig for Sale: Chubbs: ID is going stronger than ever http://www.google.com/trends.....0design LoL! What a dipshit. Internet trends are not scientific evidence for the strength of ID. How fucking desperate are you? Or is it ignorance? ID is a cultural movement, always has been, always will be. It does no science, so it would be hard to show a decline in its scientific output. It has been found to be wanting by the public, its champions running from their big day in court and its followers exposed as  dishonest cretins. ID is twitching Joe. Your inability to do anything scientific killed it. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:20    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:17) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,16:15) Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:11) Sig for Sale: Chubbs: ID is going stronger than ever http://www.google.com/trends.....0design LoL! What a dipshit. Internet trends are not scientific evidence for the strength of ID. How fucking desperate are you? Or is it ignorance? ID is a cultural movement, always has been, always will be. It does no science, so it would be hard to show a decline in its scientific output. It has been found to be wanting by the public, its champions running from their big day in court and its followers exposed as  dishonest cretins. ID is twitching Joe. Your inability to do anything scientific killed it. Richie, you don't know what science is. ID makes scientifically testable claims, unlike evolutionism. The public only knows a cartoon version of ID and it definitely doesn't understand evolutionism nor the evidence. As for dishonest cretins, that fits you and all evolutionists. You are twitching Richie and you couldn't understand science if your life depended on it. Evolutionism definitely doesn't have any science behind it. So fuck off. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:21    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,12:52) Quote There's no point in arguing with you, You're too stupid and dishonest to argue with me. Quote you have decided something and no amount of truth, evidence, or discussion will change your mind. Spoken like a cowardly liar. Nicely done. You tell him, Joe.  Now, offer to fight him and give him a fake address.  That'll really show him. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:23    Quote (didymos @ Sep. 11 2014,16:21) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,12:52) Quote There's no point in arguing with you, You're too stupid and dishonest to argue with me.   Quote you have decided something and no amount of truth, evidence, or discussion will change your mind. Spoken like a cowardly liar. Nicely done. You tell him, Joe.  Now, offer to fight him and give him a fake address.  That'll really show him. I know where he lives, moron. So do you give out your address over the internet? Or are you just being a typical hypocrite? -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,16:27    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,16:20) Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:17) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,16:15)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:11) Sig for Sale: Chubbs: ID is going stronger than ever http://www.google.com/trends.....0design LoL! What a dipshit. Internet trends are not scientific evidence for the strength of ID. How fucking desperate are you? Or is it ignorance? ID is a cultural movement, always has been, always will be. It does no science, so it would be hard to show a decline in its scientific output. It has been found to be wanting by the public, its champions running from their big day in court and its followers exposed as  dishonest cretins. ID is twitching Joe. Your inability to do anything scientific killed it. Richie, you don't know what science is. ID makes scientifically testable claims, unlike evolutionism. The public only knows a cartoon version of ID and it definitely doesn't understand evolutionism nor the evidence. As for dishonest cretins, that fits you and all evolutionists. You are twitching Richie and you couldn't understand science if your life depended on it. Evolutionism definitely doesn't have any science behind it. So fuck off. *yawn* no Joe, Your IDism does no science. All it does is get upset with other people's science and Materialism, for some reason. Oh right, Wedge document. THAT reason. Look at the 'A players' left: You, Sal Cordova, Batshit77, Denyse. The highest and best use of ID is my entertainment. And even that is declining. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,17:22    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,16:15) LoL! What a dipshit. Internet trends are not scientific evidence for the strength of ID. Well Chubs, then what is scientific evidence for the strength of ID?  The number of bullshit-filled ranting messages you post at Amazon?   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,17:24    Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,16:23) I know where he lives, moron. We all know where you live Chubs.   -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,20:07    Clueless evoTARDs think nature selects because the word "selection" is part of natural selection. From "What Evolution Is" page 117: Quote What Darwin called natural selection is actually a process of elimination. Page 118: Quote Do selection and elimination differ in their evolutionary consequences? This question never seems to have been raised in the evolutionary literature. A process of selection would have a concrete objective, the determination of the “best” or “fittest” phenotype. Only a relatively few individuals in a given generation would qualify and survive the selection procedure. That small sample would be only to be able to preserve only a small amount of the whole variance of the parent population. Such survival selection would be highly restrained. {genetic algorithms are in this category} By contrast, mere elimination of the less fit might permit the survival of a rather large number of individuals because they have no obvious deficiencies in fitness. Such a large sample would provide, for instance, the needed material for the exercise of sexual selection. This also explains why survival is so uneven from season to season. The percentage of the less fit would depend on the severity of each year’s environmental conditions. {natural selection is in this category} With biology fitness is determined by reproductive success. It is an after-the-fact assessment. With GAs fitness is determined before reproduction. page 281: On natural selection being a pressure or force Quote What is meant, of course, is simply that a consistent lack of success of certain phenotypes and their elimination from the population result in the observed changes in a population On the role of chance: Quote The first step in selection, the production of genetic variation, is almost exclusively a chance phenomenon except that the nature of the changes at a given locus is strongly constrained. Chance plays an important role even at the second step, the process of elimination of the less fit individuals. Chance may be particularly important in the haphazard survival during periods of mass extinction. It's funny watching evos continue to misunderstand the very idea they are supposed to be defending. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,20:08    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Sep. 11 2014,17:24) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,16:23) I know where he lives, moron. We all know where you live Chubs.  :D Then come on over. Turkey hunting season is coming up. You would be a perfect fit. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,20:10    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:27) Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,16:20) Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:17)   Quote (Joe G @ Sep. 11 2014,16:15)   Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 11 2014,16:11) Sig for Sale: Chubbs: ID is going stronger than ever http://www.google.com/trends.....0design LoL! What a dipshit. Internet trends are not scientific evidence for the strength of ID. How fucking desperate are you? Or is it ignorance? ID is a cultural movement, always has been, always will be. It does no science, so it would be hard to show a decline in its scientific output. It has been found to be wanting by the public, its champions running from their big day in court and its followers exposed as  dishonest cretins. ID is twitching Joe. Your inability to do anything scientific killed it. Richie, you don't know what science is. ID makes scientifically testable claims, unlike evolutionism. The public only knows a cartoon version of ID and it definitely doesn't understand evolutionism nor the evidence. As for dishonest cretins, that fits you and all evolutionists. You are twitching Richie and you couldn't understand science if your life depended on it. Evolutionism definitely doesn't have any science behind it. So fuck off. *yawn* no Joe, Your IDism does no science. All it does is get upset with other people's science and Materialism, for some reason. Oh right, Wedge document. THAT reason. Look at the 'A players' left: You, Sal Cordova, Batshit77, Denyse. The highest and best use of ID is my entertainment. And even that is declining. Richie,you wouldn't know science if it was up your ass next to your face. As for materialism, that is just a failed philosophy which dick-fucks like you try to pawn off as science. As for 'A' players, evolutionism doesn't have any. All evolutionism has are the lies of evoTARDs -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

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