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Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2011,17:01    Quote (phhht @ Mar. 04 2011,17:43) Sad is right.  The whole pitiful little attempted gotcha turns on the ambiguity of the word believe here:         Quote Theist:  You believe the Neo-Darwinian Synthesis [NDS] is true. EM should reply, No, I don't believe that, I conclude it. Annoying Irrelevant PrickTheist:  ummm you believe you conclude that, you mean. Gay Hitler DAwkins:  You mean, you believe that I believe that I conclude that, no? Theist:  Aha!  You believe that you believe that I believe that you believe that I believe that! Gay EvoDawkins:  Christ you are a sod. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2011,18:25    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 04 2011,16:54) Aaaaaaaaaah yes.   WATERLOO!!!!!! -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 04 2011,21:47    Quote (Lou FCD @ Mar. 04 2011,11:45)   Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,Mar. 02 2011,16:39) those are furries?  i thought real furries were like louis' mom.  i'll let you finish the analogy, it's a doozy what about this sad little piece of projection       Quote Barry Arrington Theist:  You say there is no God. Evolutionary Materialist [EM]:  Yes. Theist:  Yet belief in God among many (if not most) humans persists. EM:  I cannot deny that. Theist:  How do you explain that? EM:  Religious belief is an evolutionary adaption. Theist:  But you say religious belief is false. EM:  That’s correct. Theist:  Let me get this straight.  According to you, religious belief has at least two characterizes:  (1) it is false; and (2) evolution selected for it. EM [looking a little pale now, because he’s just figured out where this is going]:  Correct.   Theist:  You believe the Neo-Darwinian Synthesis [NDS] is true. EM:  Of course. Theist:  How do you know your belief in NDS is not another false belief that evolution has selected for? EM:  ____ Our materialist friends are invited to fill in the blank. Gay Hitler EvoMaterialistfag:  "Um I don't give that sort of horseshit much thought, really now fuck off I am trying to masturbate into this box of communion wafers and then rape this baby i strangled before i get some high school science teachers fired and reject this manuscript about ticks and watermelons" Fuck barry if it makes you feel better instead of "evolution selected for it" say "herp derp derp".  that's what we hear anyway pal. lulz. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2011,00:37    StephenB Quote The strongest evidence for Jesus’ miracles in the New Testament comes not from Christians who reported them but rather from their enemies who, try as they might, could find no way to deny them. Picture the Pharisees as they try to explain away miraculous healings by attributing them to the forces of hell. Consider their duplicity as they bribe Roman guards to explain away Christ’s risen body with the ridiculous story that the apostles stole it while they were asleep–as if sleeping guards would know. That's exactly the reason why we find so many independent reports about what happened around 30 AD from un-beleavers in tons of non-chrsitian publications and we indeed don't have to refer to the bible to prove that faith is reason. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

Seversky Posts: 442 Joined: June 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2011,07:29    Quote (sparc @ Mar. 05 2011,00:37) StephenB     Quote The strongest evidence for Jesus’ miracles in the New Testament comes not from Christians who reported them but rather from their enemies who, try as they might, could find no way to deny them. Picture the Pharisees as they try to explain away miraculous healings by attributing them to the forces of hell. Consider their duplicity as they bribe Roman guards to explain away Christ’s risen body with the ridiculous story that the apostles stole it while they were asleep–as if sleeping guards would know. That's exactly the reason why we find so many independent reports about what happened around 30 AD from un-beleavers in tons of non-chrsitian publications and we indeed don't have to refer to the bible to prove that faith is reason. Apparently, the Principles of Right Reason™  and the demand for a pathetic level of detailed evidence to support claims do not apply to the Bible in StephenB's strange world.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2011,08:16    the strongest evidence of Obama's kenyan birth is the frustrating inability for anyone to prove they weren't there. the strongest evidence that StephenB is a fucking moron are the reams and reams of tard that he has passed -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

MichaelJ Posts: 462 Joined: June 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2011,20:10    Quote (sparc @ Mar. 05 2011,15:37) StephenB   Quote The strongest evidence for Jesus’ miracles in the New Testament comes not from Christians who reported them but rather from their enemies who, try as they might, could find no way to deny them. Picture the Pharisees as they try to explain away miraculous healings by attributing them to the forces of hell. Consider their duplicity as they bribe Roman guards to explain away Christ’s risen body with the ridiculous story that the apostles stole it while they were asleep–as if sleeping guards would know. That's exactly the reason why we find so many independent reports about what happened around 30 AD from un-beleavers in tons of non-chrsitian publications and we indeed don't have to refer to the bible to prove that faith is reason. We know that Harry Potter existed through the efforts of Voldemort to kill him

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2011,22:04    Quote (MichaelJ @ Mar. 05 2011,18:10) We know that Harry Potter existed through the efforts of Voldemort to kill him That is merely a rumor based on Rowling's books. The definitive answer will not be released until this summer. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 05 2011,23:06    Nothing in GilDodgen's version of ID-creationism makes sense exept in the light of self-flagellation. Could anybody please hand him a cat o' nine tails to beat the rest of his old evil atheist materialism out of him?   Quote [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/cosmology/progress-after-3000-years-we-have-achieved-a-mathematical-model-of-how-an-eternal-universe -might-work/#comment-373470]3[/URL] GilDodgen 03/05/2011 10:43 pm BA77: I always appreciate your contributions, which are universally wonderful, but there is one thing that people need to understand: Once one’s soul is darkened by atheism and materialism, it takes a supernatural intervention of the Holy Spirit to change such a hardened heart. The irony is, all one needs to do is ask, which I did, and The Promise will be fulfilled, even for the most seemingly hopelessly lost atheist and materialist like I was. There is no way I can convey this to anyone else with words. There must be a direct link from self-humiliation to ID's obsession with bacterial flagella. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2011,09:32    Quote (sparc @ Mar. 05 2011,23:06) Nothing in GilDodgen's version of ID-creationism makes sense exept in the light of self-flagellation. Could anybody please hand him a cat o' nine tails to beat the rest of his old evil atheist materialism out of him?     Quote [URL=http://www.uncommondescent.com/cosmology/progress-after-3000-years-we-have-achieved-a-mathematical-model-of-how-an-eternal-universe -might-work/#comment-373470]3[/URL] GilDodgen 03/05/2011 10:43 pm BA77: I always appreciate your contributions, which are universally wonderful, but there is one thing that people need to understand: Once one’s soul is darkened by atheism and materialism, it takes a supernatural intervention of the Holy Spirit to change such a hardened heart. The irony is, all one needs to do is ask, which I did, and The Promise will be fulfilled, even for the most seemingly hopelessly lost atheist and materialist like I was. There is no way I can convey this to anyone else with words. There must be a direct link from self-humiliation to ID's obsession with bacterial flagella. In a perfectly designed world, this would turn into a great, long drawn out "I Was More Wretched Than You Before I Got Saved" Tard Fight. Then again, in a real perfect world, there would be no Gil or BA^77! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 06 2011,09:51    I've said before that I've been privileged to watch one of these self-denigrating performances where I actually knew the fellow in his pre-"saved" condition. He attended my elementary school. He attended my church. We spent plenty of our spare time together playing in the neighborhood. There certainly weren't drugs or "bad influences" that I had noticed. I don't think that I was a "bad influence" for him, either. There was only about a year in between when I last saw him and he showed up giving a presentation on how much better he was doing in his new life than in his wicked old life. This made me re-evaluate the rest of the confessional tales I had been told, and treat new ones with skepticism. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,10:07    Another one for the "Irony: Thy Name Is O'Leary" file: Quote The current science we skewer so often here is not the product of great minds but of lecture room mediocrities and tax-hungry lobbies. Dense, as I'm sure you're unaware, you don't come anywhere close to rating as even a mediocrity.  But don't worry: you are exceptional.  "Special" even, if you know what I mean. Oh, right.  Of course you don't. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,10:17    the idea that the tards at UD survey even a tenth of a percent of all the evolutionary biology and ecology being done in the world is absofuckinglutely hilarious.  and false they don't even know what they are bitching about.  they have just enough wherewithal to focus on a few individuals that become obsessive fixations (Lewontin, Dawkins, PZ, Wes) but that shit doesn't have anything to do with science but about internet politics -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

KCdgw Posts: 376 Joined: Sep. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,13:29    O'Leary writes:   Quote Would PZ Myers like to try desecrating the Koran, as he did a Catholic host (communion wafer)? Mmm. That’s what I thought. “Transgressive” is fun when no one hits back. The Catholic Church didn’t, nor will David Brooks. http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....e-islam Can some of the unbanned correct her? -------------- Those who know the truth are not equal to those who love it-- Confucius

SLP Posts: 136 Joined: Dec. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,13:42    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 06 2011,09:51) I've said before that I've been privileged to watch one of these self-denigrating performances where I actually knew the fellow in his pre-"saved" condition. He attended my elementary school. He attended my church. We spent plenty of our spare time together playing in the neighborhood. There certainly weren't drugs or "bad influences" that I had noticed. I don't think that I was a "bad influence" for him, either. There was only about a year in between when I last saw him and he showed up giving a presentation on how much better he was doing in his new life than in his wicked old life. This made me re-evaluate the rest of the confessional tales I had been told, and treat new ones with skepticism. I have similar experiences.  Though I did not know him prior to his "conversion", I knew a fellow in college that gave the tired old 'I used to be an evolutionist, atheist, etc., then I did some research and became a YEC' line.  Years later, when I knew him better, he unwittingly admitted that he had been born and raised in a fundy home and gone to a private 'bible-based' school.  His stint as an 'atheist evolutionist' was a bout of teen rebellion that lasted a few months and he had never actually been an atheist.  He was never 'converted' because he had really been a YEC all along. That, coupled with steve Austin's lies, made me not just skeptical, but dismissive of such tales.

mrg Posts: 39 Joined: Jan. 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,14:34    Whenever they say:  "I used to be an EVOLUTIONIST ... " -- you know they're lying, because if they had they wouldn't use that silly word.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,14:46    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Mar. 06 2011,10:51) I've said before that I've been privileged to watch one of these self-denigrating performances where I actually knew the fellow in his pre-"saved" condition. He attended my elementary school. He attended my church. We spent plenty of our spare time together playing in the neighborhood. There certainly weren't drugs or "bad influences" that I had noticed. I don't think that I was a "bad influence" for him, either. There was only about a year in between when I last saw him and he showed up giving a presentation on how much better he was doing in his new life than in his wicked old life. This made me re-evaluate the rest of the confessional tales I had been told, and treat new ones with skepticism. This is amazingly coincidental. I attended my elementary school. I attended my church. I spent plenty of my spare time playing with myself in the neighborhood. And there certainly weren't... Oh. Never mind. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,17:17    Quote (KCdgw @ Mar. 07 2011,13:29) O'Leary writes:   Quote Would PZ Myers like to try desecrating the Koran, as he did a Catholic host (communion wafer)? Mmm. That’s what I thought. “Transgressive” is fun when no one hits back. The Catholic Church didn’t, nor will David Brooks. http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....e-islam Can some of the unbanned correct her? Fatwa envy, Denyse?  Come on.  We expect better* from you. * Better TARD.  That stuff's weak even for her.  It's like watching Babe Ruth bunt. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,18:09    Quote (Texas Teach @ Mar. 07 2011,15:17) Quote (KCdgw @ Mar. 07 2011,13:29) O'Leary writes:     Quote Would PZ Myers like to try desecrating the Koran, as he did a Catholic host (communion wafer)? Mmm. That’s what I thought. “Transgressive” is fun when no one hits back. The Catholic Church didn’t, nor will David Brooks. http://www.uncommondescent.com/darwini....e-islam Can some of the unbanned correct her? Fatwa envy, Denyse?  Come on.  We expect better* from you. * Better TARD.  That stuff's weak even for her.  It's like watching Babe Ruth bunt. Not to worry, TT.  She meets our expectations further down the same post.  As an example of the "cloying piety" shown by "Darwinists" towards Chuck D, she links to this: http://www.theonion.com/article....in,2523 Yup, an Onion article. Bonus Tard!  That UD page is showing an ad for "Muslim Singles Online".  There's still hope, Joe G! -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

mrg Posts: 39 Joined: Jan. 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,18:16    Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 07 2011,18:09) Yup, an Onion article. I <i>think</i> she recognized it was a joke -- she just didn't realize the joke was on her.

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,19:17    Quote (Texas Teach @ Mar. 07 2011,18:17) Fatwa envy, Denyse?  Come on.  We expect better* from you. * Better TARD.  That stuff's weak even for her.  It's like watching Babe Ruth bunt. it's like watching one girl, one cup eta except we all know that aint no fucking girl.  hell it is hardly even a man -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,20:07    Quote (JohnW @ Mar. 07 2011,16:09) Bonus Tard!  That UD page is showing an ad for "Muslim Singles Online".  There's still hope, Joe G! He should do some experiments to see if single muslim women are attracted to watermelon. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,20:49    or if ticks can make a caek based on the amount of information in the weight of a baseball made out of hail, plus 2 bits to call travis tritt -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Ptaylor Posts: 1180 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 07 2011,21:41    Quote (Texas Teach @ Mar. 08 2011,10:17) Fatwa envy, Denyse?  Come on.  We expect better* from you. * Better TARD.  That stuff's weak even for her.  It's like watching Babe Ruth bunt. Agreed (not withstanding the Onion link dimwittery). The content of her current flood of posts is more tedious than her best not-even-wrong work. The most entertainment for me over there lately has been in the comments on Harry's Gotcha, Atheist thread; first with markf running rings around StephenB on the subject of the contradictory nature of various religions (of course SB's religion is the One True one), starting around here .Markf gets Stevie to say some pretty ridiculous stuff, such as:   Quote The strength of the evidence for Christianity has nothing at all to do with the fact that very few people even know what the evidence is. and:     Quote You claim that the evidence for Christianity is not strong, yet you appear not to know what that evidence is. Don’t you think that is a bit irregular? Then we have the evidence for Jesus/Obama/Potter nonsense sparc mentioned upthread. Bruce David is in the comments all along with a rather serene presence. When the subject moves to the concept of God he explains that he believes God is all loving, all forgiving and all pervasive. The collective response from UD can be summed up as: "No, our God is much smaller and pettier than that". As I type the last comment is from Sonfaro, who seems like a decent type for a pro ID-er:   Quote …Hey gang. Could we agree to disagree on this one? We’re all friends here. I have a prediction: StephenB: "No". -------------- We no longer say: “Another day; another bad day for Darwinism.” We now say: “Another day since the time Darwinism was disproved.” -PaV, Uncommon Descent, 19 June 2016

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,03:29    Quote (sparc @ Mar. 05 2011,00:37) StephenB             Quote The strongest evidence for Jesus’ miracles in the New Testament comes not from Christians who reported them but rather from their enemies who, try as they might, could find no way to deny them. Picture the Pharisees as they try to explain away miraculous healings by attributing them to the forces of hell. Consider their duplicity as they bribe Roman guards to explain away Christ’s risen body with the ridiculous story that the apostles stole it while they were asleep–as if sleeping guards would know. That's exactly the reason why we find so many independent reports about what happened around 30 AD from un-beleavers in tons of non-chrsitian publications and we indeed don't have to refer to the bible to prove that faith is reason. Apparently those same clever Pharisees bribed Mark, Luke and John to forget abut all the dead people who rose from their graves and paraded themselves around the town following the resurrection as well as the great earthquake that occurred as the angel rolled the stone away from the tomb. Additionally, those clever Pharisees apparently either bribed Matthew to say that the stone was rolled away in the presence of Mary Magdalene and "the other Mary" or else they bribed Mark, Luke and John to say the stone was already rolled away when they arrived. Those busy little Pharisees also apparently bribed Luke to say that five or more women, Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James "and the others with them" went to the tomb and then also bribed John to say that only Mary Magdalene was there. And let's not get into why the women went to the tomb, when they went, who was at the tomb when they got there, what they said, when Jesus appeared to the disciples, where Jesus appeared to the disciples, whether Jesus could be touched, where Jesus ascended to heaven or when. Those Pharisees must have had one hell of a lot of bribe money! More Here.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,03:30    And then they bribed me to double post.  The bastards!

MichaelJ Posts: 462 Joined: June 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,05:42    This stuff amazes me more than their bad science. Isn't StephenB a lawyer, shouldn't he have even the slightest clue about evidence?

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,06:12    17 out of the first 18 posts are by O'Leary. Waterloo!!11!!

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,13:43    Quote (MichaelJ @ Mar. 08 2011,06:42) This stuff amazes me more than their bad science. Isn't StephenB a lawyer, shouldn't he have even the slightest clue about evidence? Not a lawyer, some part of the "communications" field. Term broad enough to incude tele-marketer. I'm not quite sure he's finished college. -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 08 2011,15:33    Quote (MichaelJ @ Mar. 08 2011,04:42) This stuff amazes me more than their bad science. Isn't StephenB a lawyer, shouldn't he have even the slightest clue about evidence? A Clue? Professor Plum did it with the Waterloo.

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