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Wesley R. Elsberry



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2009,15:35   

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They need a new slogan:  Biologic - Shooting Blanks Since 2005


I recall hearing that the National Enquirer paid really, really well by journalism standards. Of course, the pay scale followed from the fact that working for the National Enquirer was a terminal move so far as a journalism career went, so they had to offer something extra.

So far as I can tell, all the Biologic Institute offers extra is potential martyrdom for its employees, if you include as martyrdom pulling in whatever book sales can bear and the honoraria from touring around various churches and whining about how one has been "expelled" from something. Hint: "martyr" is not what you are when someone argues with you, or disagrees with you vehemently.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: July 14 2009,16:06   

Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ July 14 2009,14:35)
Hint: "martyr" is not what you are when someone argues with you, or disagrees with you vehemently.

Sort of like the movie line "you keep using that word. I do not believe it means what you think it means."

  
JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2009,07:44   

Very good video about the Disco'tutes religious roots. Some of it you'll probably know already but there were some useful little facts in it that I hadn't heard before:
Discovery Institute: Let the TRUTH Be Told (part 1) and (part 2)

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2009,09:08   

Quote (JLT @ July 25 2009,07:44)
Very good video about the Disco'tutes religious roots. Some of it you'll probably know already but there were some useful little facts in it that I hadn't heard before:
Discovery Institute: Let the TRUTH Be Told (part 1) and (part 2)

Thanks for the post and the link!

Yeah, I knew all that, but it was good to see the presentation, the presentations was well done, and laughing and pointing at the screen shots of Luskin are always fun and good to do.

This is an outstanding source to use in educating someone new to the DI's and the ID shill game.

Any puppets - willing to accept martydom - should link and/or post about this at UD!

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2009,10:22   

Quote (J-Dog @ July 25 2009,15:08)
 
Quote (JLT @ July 25 2009,07:44)
Very good video about the Disco'tutes religious roots. Some of it you'll probably know already but there were some useful little facts in it that I hadn't heard before:
Discovery Institute: Let the TRUTH Be Told (part 1) and (part 2)

Thanks for the post and the link!

Yeah, I knew all that, but it was good to see the presentation, the presentations was well done, and laughing and pointing at the screen shots of Luskin are always fun and good to do.

This is an outstanding source to use in educating someone new to the DI's and the ID shill game.

Any puppets - willing to accept martydom - should link and/or post about this at UD!

One of these days I'll have to register at UD...
Unfortunately, I've got only one chance for puppetry. It's very unlikely, with all their design detection methods, that they wouldn't recognise my German accent the second time around...

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Thus, a realistic [computer] simulation [of evolution] would allow the program, OS, and hardware to be affected in a random fashion." GilDodgen, Frilly shirt owner

  
carlsonjok



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2009,10:31   

Quote (JLT @ July 25 2009,07:44)
Very good video about the Disco'tutes religious roots. Some of it you'll probably know already but there were some useful little facts in it that I hadn't heard before:
Discovery Institute: Let the TRUTH Be Told (part 1) and (part 2)



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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2009,11:23   

Quote (carlsonjok @ July 25 2009,10:31)
Quote (JLT @ July 25 2009,07:44)
Very good video about the Disco'tutes religious roots. Some of it you'll probably know already but there were some useful little facts in it that I hadn't heard before:
Discovery Institute: Let the TRUTH Be Told (part 1) and (part 2)


But I am not sure that I can ever forgive Luskin for stealing this poor kitty's eyebrows... Perhaps a call to Homeland Security the Enforcement Division of PETA might be in order?



Edited by Lou FCD on July 25 2009,21:11

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UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
khan



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2009,12:18   

Quote (carlsonjok @ July 25 2009,11:31)
Quote (JLT @ July 25 2009,07:44)
Very good video about the Disco'tutes religious roots. Some of it you'll probably know already but there were some useful little facts in it that I hadn't heard before:
Discovery Institute: Let the TRUTH Be Told (part 1) and (part 2)


POTW!

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Timothy McDougald



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2009,14:34   

Quote (khan @ July 25 2009,12:18)
Quote (carlsonjok @ July 25 2009,11:31)
Quote (JLT @ July 25 2009,07:44)
Very good video about the Disco'tutes religious roots. Some of it you'll probably know already but there were some useful little facts in it that I hadn't heard before:
Discovery Institute: Let the TRUTH Be Told (part 1) and (part 2)


POTW!

Seconded!

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: July 25 2009,16:15   

Quote (carlsonjok @ July 25 2009,16:31)
       
Quote (JLT @ July 25 2009,07:44)
Very good video about the Disco'tutes religious roots. Some of it you'll probably know already but there were some useful little facts in it that I hadn't heard before:
Discovery Institute: Let the TRUTH Be Told (part 1) and (part 2)


       
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2009,16:30   

Cool:

http://homepage.mac.com/pmcarlton/.Pictures/propaganda/DI_mosaic.jpg

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 05 2009,19:55   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 05 2009,16:30)
Cool:

http://homepage.mac.com/pmcarlton/.Pictures/propaganda/DI_mosaic.jpg

I'm not sure if that is art, or just some Christo-Luskin with a fetish about posting pictures of naked men in pain... OK it's not art.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2009,13:41   

DISCOVERY BREAKS NEW ALCHEMY GROUND!

CONTINUES TO TURN PAPER INTO GOLD!

I just their latest abuse of the IRS 503© code, the lying scumbags at the DI have sent another letter to their loyal IDiot troops asking for money to support their lavish lifestyle by buying Stephen Meyer's latest excuse for a book.

They also include - at no extra charge!- the one page, two-sided bullshit screed that appeared in the Boston Globe and purports to show why Thomas Jefferson was an IDist.  

No better way to end this note than to quote from their latest vomit-inducing list of lies:

 
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ps: For a gift of $150 or more, we will send you a copy of Signature in the Cell.  You won't want to miss the book that Norman Nevi, one of Britain's leading genticists, is calling "a landmark in the intelligent design debate."


pps:  If anyone wants more details, or a scan copy of the actual letter or Meyer's article, PM me with contact details and I'll try to get it to you.  I personally recommend everyone go right to the source and use a puppet to sign up for ALL the latest DI mail scams.  You'll be glad you did!

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Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

  
Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2009,16:44   

The DI has a video on YouTube:

Ziggy in the Cell

I thought it was Ziggy, but I didn't see Ziggy.  Thank Monkey for that!

Anyway, Meyer comments in the video that just after a protein is sequenced it enters a "barrel shaped machine" where the protein is folded.

What the hell is he talking about?  Barrel shaped machine?  It's been a while but I thought the final conformation resulted from the secondary structure (cross-links) derived from the primary structure (amino acid sequence).

Need education on this please!

(I know it may be a shock to some of you that old Doc Bill doesn't know everything, but there you have it.)

Also, comments are currently open on YouTube (hint, hint).

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2009,17:03   

Quote (Doc Bill @ Aug. 10 2009,16:44)
The DI has a video on YouTube:

Ziggy in the Cell

I thought it was Ziggy, but I didn't see Ziggy.  Thank Monkey for that!

Anyway, Meyer comments in the video that just after a protein is sequenced it enters a "barrel shaped machine" where the protein is folded.

What the hell is he talking about?  Barrel shaped machine?  It's been a while but I thought the final conformation resulted from the secondary structure (cross-links) derived from the primary structure (amino acid sequence).

Need education on this please!

(I know it may be a shock to some of you that old Doc Bill doesn't know everything, but there you have it.)

Also, comments are currently open on YouTube (hint, hint).

Doc Bill,

The barrel shaped protein is a chaperone.  Of course, the designer had to use one to get the proteins to fold.  ;)

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Doc Bill



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 10 2009,17:19   

Yeah, so who chaperoned the chaperone, eh?

Are chaperone proteins generic or specific?

OK, I just read up on chaperone proteins at Wikipedia and it sounds more like chemistry than what Meyer described as a "barrel shaped machine" that "molds" the protein, or did he say "shaped?"

Who cares about Meyer!  I got bored and Googled "jennifer anniston nude pix" and got more hits.  Come to think about it, I could probably use a chaperone myself.

  
JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2009,05:59   

Egnor's latest:
 
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It’ll be interesting to see how the struggle between the new atheists and the framing atheists works itself out. I have no doubt that the new atheist approach is of considerable help to the ID movement. New atheism is an amalgam of all that is odious about atheism: self-aggrandizing arrogance, ignorance of even the rudiments of philosophy or theology or history, and the inexorable recourse to censorship, professional destruction, and other totalitarian methods. The only way in which the new atheists make the theist job harder in this debate is that the new atheists are so radically explicit that they’re difficult to satirize.

Framing atheists are much more difficult to deal with. They are less likely to be practicing scientists, but they are much savvier about the effective advancement of their ideology. The only way that atheism can advance is if it is implicit in cultural change, not explicit. That is why Darwinism has been atheism’s most powerful engine, bar none. The assertion that there is no God and therefore no teleology in nature is, to thoughtful men, transparent nonsense; it can only be advanced by cloaking it in ‘science’ — ill-defined concepts such as ‘evolution’ serve nicely, and have been remarkably effective.

LOL.

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J-Dog



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 28 2009,12:50   

Quote (JLT @ Aug. 28 2009,05:59)
Egnor's latest:
 
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It’ll be interesting to see how the struggle between the new atheists and the framing atheists works itself out. I have no doubt that the new atheist approach is of considerable help to the ID movement. New atheism is an amalgam of all that is odious about atheism: self-aggrandizing arrogance, ignorance of even the rudiments of philosophy or theology or history, and the inexorable recourse to censorship, professional destruction, and other totalitarian methods. The only way in which the new atheists make the theist job harder in this debate is that the new atheists are so radically explicit that they’re difficult to satirize.

Framing atheists are much more difficult to deal with. They are less likely to be practicing scientists, but they are much savvier about the effective advancement of their ideology. The only way that atheism can advance is if it is implicit in cultural change, not explicit. That is why Darwinism has been atheism’s most powerful engine, bar none. The assertion that there is no God and therefore no teleology in nature is, to thoughtful men, transparent nonsense; it can only be advanced by cloaking it in ‘science’ — ill-defined concepts such as ‘evolution’ serve nicely, and have been remarkably effective.

LOL.

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  New atheism Dr. Egnor is an amalgam of all that is odious about atheism : self-aggrandizing arrogance, ignorance of even the rudiments of philosophy or theology or history, and the inexorable recourse to censorship, professional destruction, and other totalitarian methods.


Projection much Herr Doctor Egnor???  Kudos to you JLT for risking teminal-stage vomiting to read the drivel at the DI's "Slanted Views" site.  BTW - I felt sorry for Egnor, so I fixed his sentence.

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Advocatus Diaboli



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2009,12:06   

Disco Institute added the Dembski & Marks paper to their ever escalating list of "Peer-Reviewed & Peer-Edited Scientific Publications Supporting the Theory of Intelligent Design."

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William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, "Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success," IEEE Transactions on Systems, Man and Cybernetics A, Systems & Humans, Vol. 39 (5):1051-1061 (September, 2009). (PDF, 359KB)


Now the list has 41 items.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2009,12:14   

Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Sep. 01 2009,12:06)
Disco Institute added the Dembski & Marks paper to their ever escalating list of "Peer-Reviewed & Peer-Edited Scientific Publications Supporting the Theory of Intelligent Design."

 
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William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, "Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success," IEEE Transactions on Systems, Man and Cybernetics A, Systems & Humans, Vol. 39 (5):1051-1061 (September, 2009). (PDF, 359KB)


Now the list has 41 items.

"Peer-Edited"

Fnar.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2009,12:29   

they might as well include every single article ever published in Ecology, Evolution, PLoS, Nature, Science, Bioscience, Biogeography and the rest of all of them.  

right, jerry?

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2009,17:07   

Quote (Advocatus Diaboli @ Sep. 01 2009,12:06)
Disco Institute added the Dembski & Marks paper to their ever escalating list of "Peer-Reviewed & Peer-Edited Scientific Publications Supporting the Theory of Intelligent Design."

   
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William A. Dembski and Robert J. Marks II, "Conservation of Information in Search: Measuring the Cost of Success," IEEE Transactions on Systems, Man and Cybernetics A, Systems & Humans, Vol. 39 (5):1051-1061 (September, 2009). (PDF, 359KB)


Now the list has 41 items.

Yadda yadda, but what is The Theory of Intelligent Design ??? I don't hear ya?

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JohnW



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 01 2009,17:55   

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Yadda yadda, but what is The Theory of Intelligent Design ??? I don't hear ya?

Pre-Dover: An unknowable entity did unknowable things at unknowable times for unknowable reasons in an unknowable manner.  This is scientifically valid.

Post-Dover: Goddidit.  This is scientifically valid.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2009,02:13   

Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 01 2009,17:55)
   
Quote (Quack @ Sep. 01 2009,15:07)
Yadda yadda, but what is The Theory of Intelligent Design ??? I don't hear ya?

Pre-Dover: An unknowable entity did unknowable things at unknowable times for unknowable reasons in an unknowable manner.  This is scientifically valid.

Post-Dover: Goddidit.  This is scientifically valid.

Ah, now I see! It is like Behe has been saying all the time?

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2009,05:37   

Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 02 2009,00:55)
Quote (Quack @ Sep. 01 2009,15:07)
Yadda yadda, but what is The Theory of Intelligent Design ??? I don't hear ya?

Pre-Dover: An unknowable entity did unknowable things at unknowable times for unknowable reasons in an unknowable manner.  This is scientifically valid.

Post-Dover: Goddidit.  This is scientifically valid.

Don't you mean:

Pre-Dover: Goddidit.  This is scientifically valid.

Post-Dover: An unknowable entity did unknowable things at unknowable times for unknowable reasons in an unknowable manner.  This is scientifically valid.

?

On the information level, it seems more in agreement with Dr Dr Dr's studies.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2009,10:58   

Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Sep. 02 2009,03:37)
Quote (JohnW @ Sep. 02 2009,00:55)
Quote (Quack @ Sep. 01 2009,15:07)
Yadda yadda, but what is The Theory of Intelligent Design ??? I don't hear ya?

Pre-Dover: An unknowable entity did unknowable things at unknowable times for unknowable reasons in an unknowable manner.  This is scientifically valid.

Post-Dover: Goddidit.  This is scientifically valid.

Don't you mean:

Pre-Dover: Goddidit.  This is scientifically valid.

Post-Dover: An unknowable entity did unknowable things at unknowable times for unknowable reasons in an unknowable manner.  This is scientifically valid.

?

On the information level, it seems more in agreement with Dr Dr Dr's studies.

I disagree.  Pre-Dover, IDers were (unless they were behind closed doors) very careful not to identify the designer as Big G, to maximise the chances of getting it into the schools.

Post-Dover, there's zero chance of getting ID into the schools, it's all about selling crap to the gullible, and it's all Jesus, all the time.

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 02 2009,11:15   

If we could count "God"s per 100 words at UD, the trend would be increasing. If we expanded it to apologetics in general, we'd find that is pretty much the zeitgeist these days.


No science so far!

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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,07:43   

This is my first time posting here. I have two questions.

1.Has Dembski ever publicly acknowledged whether he's a YEC or not? I noticed he can't stand theistic evolutionists. That brings me to question #2.

2.Isn't Behe Catholic and therefore a theistic evolutionist? Why doesn't Dembski ever criticize Behe?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Sep. 03 2009,15:38   

Quote (Dwimr @ Sep. 03 2009,07:43)
This is my first time posting here. I have two questions.

1.Has Dembski ever publicly acknowledged whether he's a YEC or not? I noticed he can't stand theistic evolutionists. That brings me to question #2.

2.Isn't Behe Catholic and therefore a theistic evolutionist? Why doesn't Dembski ever criticize Behe?

Both Behe and Dembski are not YEC.  Not great thinkers either, putting out rationalizations of "Ohh, life is so complex, God must be necessary to make the changes."

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JLT



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2009,05:00   

Michael Egnor crows about a figure by ClimateAudit:

   
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Real climate scientists are sifting out the details of the data to which CRU director and warmist Phil Jones applied fellow warmist Michael Mann's ‘Nature trick…to hide the decline…’.

The hidden data is that of Keith Briffa, a fellow climate scientist (and warmist) at East Anglia. Briffa compiled tree-ring data to obtain global temperature estimates back to 1400. But there was a problem with the tree-ring data, from the warmist perspective. The tree ring data showed pronounced cooling beginning in the mid-20th century. [...]
What to do?
Simple. Delete the tree rign data beginning in the mid-20th century, when the cooling became pronounced, and use (already CRU 'modified') ground station data more supportive of the warmist hypothesis in it's place.[...]
So here's "Mike's Nature trick...to hide the decline":
The warmists switched the source of the data at the end of the graph, just at the point where the data contradicted their hypothesis, and replaced it with manipulated different-source data that supported their hypothesis. They deleted the original contradictory data from the published report and from the public database. When pressed by years of Freedom of Information Act requests to release the original raw 'supportive' data, they finally admit that they threw it out and it can never be checked.


I found an explanation of the data in question here.

Apparently, what ClimateAudit shows is something called maximum latewood density. These data match the actually measured temperatures quite nicely up until the 1960 but fail to match up after that. Instead of hiding that fact, the scientists wrote an article about it*, where you can find this figure (figure 5 of the article shows the data from 1400 - 2000):


The maximum latewood densities that were deleted are hidden in the thick black line.



* Briffa et al. (1998). Trees tell of past climates: but are they speaking less clearly today? Phil. Trans. R. Soc. Lond. B 1998 353, 65-73 [pdf; free access (LOL)]

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