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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,14:18   

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Because you are not familiar with topic you either evaluate wit of posts or you check english grammar.


hey you slopeheaded slovak!

I AM more than familiar with the topic, and you not very judiciously avoided what should have been a simple question for someone claiming expertise in the evolution of mimicry.

why is that, I wonder?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,15:03   

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why is that, I wonder?


Cognitive dissonance?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,15:29   

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hey you slopeheaded slovak!


Yeah, about that...

"VMartin" was not the first one to mention Slovakia. I was. I made a wisecrack about him "sounding like a 20-year-old from Bratislava who just had his first English lesson 2 months ago", and then VM kind of ran with it, never once saying he IS from Slovakia, but never quite denying it either. I had no evidence for him being from Slovakia, and suddenly, whaddaya know, my wildass guess is supposedly true. I have a hard time believing it's true, and he's never denied it or properly confirmed it. So I think that's another bit of proof that we have a troll here, probably someone we know under some other name.

I love it so!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,16:03   

Um, as a person living in a non-english speaking country, I feel I should point out that the way this "VMartin" talks is NOT the way people uneducated in English do. You know, skipping articles while keeping his grammar perfect, etc.

It's the way Stupid english-speaking people think stupid non-english speaking people should talk.

Not that anyone had any doubts, but still.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,16:52   

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Um, as a person living in a non-english speaking country, I feel I should point out that the way this "VMartin" talks is NOT the way people uneducated in English do. You know, skipping articles while keeping his grammar perfect, etc.

That's exactly what I think.

It reminds me of that "phishyphred" who came trolling here once.

The question is : why would you act this way? What is VMartin hiding?
He could really be JAD after all. Can there be two supporters of the PEH that have some sort of mental problem? Coincidence or correlation?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,17:26   

Kudos to you Alan for giving JAD a chance at your blog, but it looks like he's had another foot-stamping spittle-flying hissy fit meltdown.  That seems to happen to him everywhere he goes, normally triggered by someone asking him for the most basic clarification of his PEH.

You've gotta feel sorry for the guy - he's got some serious mental problems that he's not dealing with very well.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,19:39   

Indeed, let's try analyzing a randomly chosen chunk of 'VMartin's' English, shall we?

 
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Are all the folks here so stupid and ignorrant like you?
During stalinism and later only accepted theory was lysenkism. Lysenko contradicted Darwin. Lysenko claimed that only environment forms living beings and he tried his theory with catastrofical outcome in prax. All the time they denigrated morganism.
If you at that time  had tried contradict Lysenko with darwinism you would ended in Gulag, you stupid american villager.


Now, here's what I would consider to be an idiomatically correct version of the preceding:

 
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Are all the folks here as stupid and ignorant as you? During stalinism and later the only accepted theory was lysenkoism. Lysenko contradicted Darwin. Lysenko claimed that only the environment forms living beings and he tested his theory with catastrophic outcome in prax [? ?]. All the time they denigrated morganism.
If you at that time had tried to contradict Lysenko with darwinism you would have ended up in the in Gulag, you stupid american villager.


Okay, let's analyze this.

Note that the great majority of things that had to be corrected were little grammatical particles: missing definite articles (3 times), missing infinitive 'to' (once), missing 'have' (once), missing prepositions (two), a couple ostentatious misspellings ('catastrofical' ) and one or two screwy word choices ('tried' for 'tested'.) Mostly SUPER basic stuff.

(Then of course he throws in "you stupid american villager" for that snappy little Borat touch, like the cherry atop the sundae.)

However, note what he does NOT get wrong: basic word order, basic syntax, complex verb tenses, and complicated words like 'accepted', 'catastrofical', 'denigrated', 'outcome' and 'contradict'. All fluent.

So he's screwing up the really basic stuff, stuff an English speaker trying to sound 'funny foreign' would screw up, but the syntax and most of the sophisticated vocabulary is perfectly fine.

Doesn't add up. If you haven't mastered super basic shit like articles, you're not going to get complex syntax and verb tenses right.

So he's a faker, a troll. The only questions is who. Again, I'd bet a lot of money that it's someone who's already spent time here under a different name.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,20:45   

Kristine,

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Mine too!

Got that? Love it down.

I write it so!

(Someone help me.)  :D


Er, help you do what, exactly? :)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,20:47   

Let's watch it with the cracks about "slopeheads," by the way...

???

  
Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,22:18   

...I blame your new avatar as having planted the idea in my head subliminaly.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 06 2006,23:55   

Ichthyic
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hey you slopeheaded slovak!


Drž hubu pomajbo. Používaj spisovné výrazy, spisovnú angličtinu a k veci. Nie som tu aby si ma skúšal, na svoje priblblé otázky si nájdi odpoveď na wikipedii. Potom sa prípadne ozvi, alebo si prečítaj moje hodnotenia komplexného javu napodobovania v prírode (údajného) a ak máš niečo k tomu, čo som napísal, tak odpíš, ale spisovne prosím.
 

O.K.?

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Ichthyic



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,00:24   

nope.  not OK.

get lost, faker.

as i suspected, you haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,07:12   

Quote (VMartin @ Dec. 06 2006,23:55)
Drž hubu pomajbo. Používaj spisovné výrazy, spisovnú angličtinu a k veci. Nie som tu aby si ma skúšal, na svoje priblblé otázky si nájdi odpoveď na wikipedii. Potom sa prípadne ozvi, alebo si prečítaj moje hodnotenia komplexného javu napodobovania v prírode (údajného) a ak máš niečo k tomu, čo som napísal, tak odpíš, ale spisovne prosím.
 

O.K.?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,09:12   

I think it's time to close this thread.

???

  
VMartin



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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,11:30   

Jeannot,

why do you want close the bar that have already been closed? Anyway, you cannot supress Davisons work to influence more and more people. His Manifesto summarized best antidarwinian thoughts from prominent scientists and his theory of derepression of pre-loaded potencialities via chromosome inversion during meiosis is his addition to their work.

He and his Manifesto become more and more known and neodarwinists seem to loosing nerves - let me cite from article from American Chronicle (March 2006):

 
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Needless to say, Davison had to pay a price for his dissent from the Darwinian doctrine. He was subjected to harassments by various members of the faculty, and his salary remained frozen at the 1995 level. Eventually he retaliated by publishing ?What It Means to Be an AntiDarwinian at the University of Vermont.?


And not only that, he is denigrated on forums he has no access to.

Interesting article on darwinism mentioning Davison
"The Evolutionist Campaign to Suppress the Truth"
from Kazmer Ujvarosy is on:


http://www.americanchronicle.com/article....ID=6623

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,11:56   

Quote (VMartin @ Dec. 07 2006,11:30)
Jeannot,

why do you want close the bar that have already been closed? Anyway, you cannot supress Davisons work to influence more and more people. His Manifesto summarized best antidarwinian thoughts from prominent scientists and his theory of derepression of pre-loaded potencialities via chromosome inversion during meiosis is his addition to their work.

He and his Manifesto become more and more known and neodarwinists seem to loosing nerves - let me cite from article from American Chronicle (March 2006):

   
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Needless to say, Davison had to pay a price for his dissent from the Darwinian doctrine. He was subjected to harassments by various members of the faculty, and his salary remained frozen at the 1995 level. Eventually he retaliated by publishing ?What It Means to Be an AntiDarwinian at the University of Vermont.?


And not only that, he is denigrated on forums he has no access to.

Interesting article on darwinism mentioning Davison
"The Evolutionist Campaign to Suppress the Truth"
from Kazmer Ujvarosy is on:


http://www.americanchronicle.com/article....ID=6623

The accent is a LITTLE better, John, but keep working on it. Mostly I'd say you need more consistency.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,12:07   

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Interesting article on darwinism mentioning Davison
"The Evolutionist Campaign to Suppress the Truth"
from Kazmer Ujvarosy is on:


http://www.americanchronicle.com/article....ID=6623

A few tidbits from that article you cite:

   
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To come to the point, whereas the evolutionist speculation fails to meet the basic demand of science that an explanation must be based on observable evidence capable of being touched or tested, the theory of creation from Christ's body satisfies that rational requirement. After all neither Darwin's natural selection nor his imaginary simple beginning or common ancestor is observable and capable of being touched or tested. In contrast Christ, the actual Creator of the universe, made himself available for observation, and was being touched and tested. What is more, he made the prediction that in due time he's going to live with us again.

Now, if evolutionists keep insisting that Christ is not the Creator or universal common ancestor of the cosmic system, we should demand from them to make available their natural selection and common ancestor for observation, touching, and experiments.

To conclude, when next time Eugenie Scott and similarly deluded evolutionists parrot the bold-faced lie that we have no scientific theory of creation, remember to remind them that it is in the Bible. In reality the theory that Christ constitutes the seed of the universe, or the genotype of the phenotype universe, is incomparably more scientific and fact-based then the alternative explanations invented by evolutionist biologists and cosmologists. It identifies Christ as the seed of the universe, and human beings as Christ's reproductions. Because Christ is our universal common ancestor, and because he got in touch with us, and promised to live with us in the future, Darwin's imaginary common ancestor is a parody of Christ.


Last I heard, Javison didn't have much use for fundies like this, either.

So are you actually Kazmer Ujvarosy, Martin?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,12:11   


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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,12:49   

Quote (VMartin @ Dec. 07 2006,11:30)
why do you want close the bar that have already been closed? Anyway, you cannot supress Davisons work to influence more and more people. His Manifesto summarized best antidarwinian thoughts from prominent scientists and his theory of derepression of pre-loaded potencialities via chromosome inversion during meiosis is his addition to their work.

Since you seem to be so up on JAD's work, maybe you can answer a few questions.  These were asked directly to JAD on another forum, but he was too much of a sniveling coward to deal with them himself.  

From JAD's 'manifesto'
   
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Thus, this model provides a rational explanation for the absence of intermediates both in contemporary and in fossil species.

What is your definition of an intermediate, and how would you recognize one if you saw it? There are literally hundreds of well defined ‘transitional’ series in the fossil record, with plenty of scientifically recognized intermediates in each lineage. Why do you agree there are no intermediates?

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Such a mechanism does not depend on the production of new information but rather on information already present in the genome i.e. preformed.

How do you define ‘information’ in a genome? How would you know ‘new information’ if you saw it? When a genetic copying error is introduced into a genome, and the new genome produces a novel change in a phenotype, why is that not new information?

I'll be awaiting your answers.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,13:57   

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What is your definition of an intermediate, and how would you recognize one if you saw it?


First of all we should define what intermediate is and if we know at least one. I have a long discussion on slovak-forum one year ago. I disputed with one darwinist about Ambulocetus that darwinists consider as "proved" intermediate between halfbear-halfwolf-halfcow creature Pakicetus and a modern whale. As you know Pakicetus means  "Pakistan cetacea" or pakistan whale - even though  Pakicetus lived on ground and do not swim at all - it has hoofs like Ambulocetus. Ambulocetus is then in translation "walking whale". Funny no?
The skeleton of Ambulocetus is so incomplete that Gingerich dismissed it from his research on supposed transition row from ground mammals to whale.
Yet the nomenclatura of "walking whale" is not the only fraud. They present us in museums this skeleton of Ambulocetus, walking whale with hoofs:

http://www.researchcasting.ca/ambulocetus.htm

and whad Thewissen really found:

http://www.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/ANAT/Hans/AmbulocetusPhoto.jpg
   

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Same is applicable on mimicry. We know some insects that mimic ants in movement but they do not see like ants at all so no creatute can be mislead by such a mimic. Anyway darwinists claim that we are witnissing ongoing transition insect form to ant mimic!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,14:15   

Funny, VM's accent seems to go up and down every day. I wonder if it's connected with the tides wherever he lives?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,14:17   

To assert that no creature is fooled by mimicry, especially on the tawdry grounds you advance, is absurd.
Not least, it betrays a total ignorance of inter-genera mimicry in service of reproduction, as is well-known and well-documented in the world of orchidaceae.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,14:21   

VMartin, the questions were

What is your definition of an intermediate, and how would you recognize one if you saw it?

also

How do you define ‘information’ in a genome? How would you know ‘new information’ if you saw it?

JAD was too much of a coward to try an answer, now your attempt at evasion is noted.  Care to answer the questions?

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,14:38   

Do you think we are at school and you are some kind of teacher giving questions hehe? Now you are teaching informatics instead english?

Define what "information" is and we can continue.

Be aware that in the text there should be information that we are not aware of - like in hebrew Bible where reading text backwards you obtain answer to question you are actually reading (see Umberto Eco: Quest for a lost languages). So information in genetic code may be same - combinations of exons in same gene give us different outcome. In that sense I do not see obstacles to Davison conception of pre-loaded information. Just rearrangemets of existing code can lead to new species. Its like text which give no sense - junk DNA - (or only few pages are readable). Then reshuffling words (no by chance, but using some key) hidden text reappear as was written originally (and other hitherto readable text may become unreadable at the same instance or change meaning).

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,15:56   

VMartin, you are nothing but a monkey man with potty mouth!

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,18:05   

I still think Martin is JAD.  No two people in the world could both be this nutty.

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,18:11   

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What is your definition of an intermediate


First of all we should define what intermediate is

Yep, that's about the level of conversation I've come to expect from creationists . . . .  (shrug)

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,18:46   

Using Vmartin's "clue" that the information contains its own front-loaded key to decoding the true message, we take "Vmartin" as our initial text.

The "V" is in the "exposed" initial position and is further marked out by its uppercase nature.  The "t" also sticks up out of the crowd of more compact letters.  These clues seem to be telling us that overly-tall elements are exposed to danger and damage, like weeds sprouting above the grass-tips in a lawn about to be mowed.

Deleting these vertically-"exposed" letters yields "_mar_in."

Since we started with the consonants, let us inspect the remaining "m," "r," and "n," applying our hypothesized vertical-shearing force as a "selective pressure."  Note that each of the surviving consonants has a smoothly-arching horizontal feature, which we may analogize to a protective "roof."  In the case of the "m" and "n," this barrel-vault is carried all the way down to the "ground," providing the "roof" with maximum support and the internal space or "territory" occupied or bounded by the letter's margin with a maximum of protection from the harsh vertical forces of the environment.

The roof of the "r" furnishes less than ideal support and protection, but is not overly-cantilevered.  In short, while less than ideal, this appears to be a survivable variant of the "roof" design.

Let's now turn our attention to the vowels.  Clearly, vowels are needed to form a viable word; we cannot simply eliminate them all, however undesirable.  Likewise, while we have dispensed with certain undesirable consonants, doing so has not altered the essential structure ('kind") of the word, which still possesses two syllables, and still begins and ends in consonants.  To eliminate the remaining vowels entirely, however, would threaten this core structure or "bau-plan," generating an entirely non-viable "sport" or monster.

Yet the remaining vowels are far from ideal in a vertically-challenging environment.  While not projecting as boldly above the protection of its fellows as the "V" or "t," the "i" does still project into the slipstream.  

And the "a," while superficially appearing to, er, mimic the arching roof of the surviving consonants, carries this roof over and down, not to the ground, but to a weirdly-truncated--heck, let's just come right out and call it deformed--stub.  This stub, like a floating rib in a boxing match, is clearly vulnerable to being "plucked up" by wayward vertical forces.  Once sprung open, this deformed roof would stand revealed as yet another flagpole-like vertical projection.  While not immediately lethal, we are certainly warranted in viewing the "a" as a latent or sub-lethal variant of the fatal vertical mutation.

Since we do not have the luxury of entirely dispensing with the vowel forms, we are forced to substitute from the remaining vowels of "e," "o," and "u."  Of these three, "o" obviously exhibits the ideal compact and protective form--it is "all-roof"!

"U," on the other hand, affords no vertical protection whatsoever--its internal territory is entirely open to the ravages of the vertical forces.

The "e," like the previously-examined and rejected "a," superficially seems to exhibit the smoothly-arching "roof" feature.  However, rather than terminating smoothly after achieving horizontal "coverage," or continuing on down to the safety and support of the ground, the roof of the "e" tucks back under in an awkward and ungainly fashion, leaving "exposed" territory below the roof projection.  Unlike the "a," even, this territory is not enclosed.  And, unlike the "r," the exposed structure of the "e" is not firmly rooted, but exhibits an unstable "rocking" base formation.  While the "e" might arguably be a survivable variant, clearly it cannot compete alongside the "o."

Whether we imagine our procedure proceeding directly from the current noncompetitive vowel forms to the "o" in one step, or proceeding instead via the temporary "way-station" of the "e," obviously the "o" will be the ultimate destination in our transformational series.

Thus, employing an entirely consistent procedure, all aspects of which, upon careful inspection and consideration, arose naturally out of the initial state of the information "specified" and "front-loaded" in the message transmitted by the code's designer, we have gone in an entirely-legitimate--indeed, compelling and inevitable!--step-by-step manner from "Vmartin" to "_mor_on."  Eliminating the spacer or placeholder symbols ("_"), which temporarily represented the most-vulnerable and inessential "projecting" letters in the original message, which have since been deleted by the harsh forces of our microcosmos, our decoding yields as its eminently-satisfying and inexorably-logical final product "Vmartin ==> moron."

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 07 2006,20:31   

VMartin dodges again with
         
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Define what "information" is and we can continue.


You're the one supporting JAD's idiotic claims that "there are no transitional fossils" and "new information can't be produced".  You're the one who needs to supply your definitions.

If you're so ignorant that you can't even define 'transitional fossil' or 'new information' for us, how can you expect anyone else to believe the claims that such things don't exist?  You're so ignorant that you wouldn't know them if you saw them, right?

Tell me VMartin:

How would you recognize a 'transitional fossil' if you saw one?

How would you recognize 'new information' in a genome if you saw it?


They're simple questions, why are they giving you such problems?

Funny, you sound just like JAD, with your constant evasions and cowardly refusal to back up your claims.  Is that just coincidence?

How do you like them road apples?  :p

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(Permalink) Posted: Dec. 08 2006,11:03   

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Tell me VMartin:
How would you recognize a 'transitional fossil' if you saw one?
How would you recognize 'new information' in a genome if you saw it?
They're simple questions, why are they giving you such problems?

Questions are not simple - they are stupid.
Let me change them a little bit in order to make them what they really are.

How would you recognize a 'dog fart' if you heard one?
How would you recognize 'neutron' in a nucleus if you saw it?
How would you recognize  'acrid odour' if you saw one?

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If you're so ignorant that you can't even define 'transitional fossil' or 'new information' for us, how can you expect anyone else to believe the claims that such things don't exist? You're so ignorant that you wouldn't know them if you saw them, right?


I am not the one who claimed that transitional fossil exist. I am also not the one who claimed that there exist a trasitional particle between electrone and positrone. So why should I even try to define such a transitional particle (transitional fossil)?

As to the "new information" - I gave you example that information can be in a text if you read the text backwards. The question  How would you recognize 'new information' in a text if you saw it? has no sense. You and I see the TEXT - not information.  The text I  may underestand but you may not (or vice versa). I would say  the same process we may find in genome. Information written in DNA is the function of "reading frame" - each different reading frame read different information. I have read that in some cases information in a gene is overlappinig. Reading and underestanding of what has beed coded is what matters. For instance you do not underestand Magyar and let say you have a magyar book. Do you think that information is there or not? I suppose that to decide such a question would require to learn Magyar first. Observer (reading frame) is for recognising of information crucial.

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Summary - I dont know what does it mean to "see information" in genome as much as I do not know what does it mean to "smell information" in genome. You might be probably aware that DNA is not information - DNA is only bearer, carrier of information and not the information itself.

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