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Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2009,22:16    Madsen at 158   Quote Wow—”Hazel the Hypocrite”, an “intolerant bigot”, being admonished for name calling? Now I’ve seen everything. Barry at 162:   Quote madsen is no longer with us. Talk about a thin skin. And note the obvious: Barry admonishes hazel for name calling by calling her names.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 07 2009,23:07    BarryA:   Quote If you keep your comments restricted to ideas and not attacking people, you should have no problems passing muster here. BarryA:   Quote You...are an intolerant bigot who judges people and views that diverge from you own. You are revealed not only for a bigot but, worse, a hypocrite. Gotta love it! -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 08 2009,13:02    Quote (Jkrebs @ May 07 2009,23:16) Madsen at 158   Quote Wow—”Hazel the Hypocrite”, an “intolerant bigot”, being admonished for name calling? Now I’ve seen everything. Barry at 162:   Quote madsen is no longer with us. Talk about a thin skin. And note the obvious: Barry admonishes hazel for name calling by calling her names. Apparently, they've moved on from "Teach the Controversy"? -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Hermagoras Posts: 1260 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2009,09:02    Marduk is banninated by Barry:   Quote After [19] above, Marduck will not have to worry about posting on UD. And for posterity, here is 19:   Quote Uncommon descent is becoming nothing more then a poltical blog, I really liked reading the insightful articles my Mr dembski back in the day and a few other select individuals but this blog has become so rancid over the years. -------------- "I am not currently proving that objective morality is true. I did that a long time ago and you missed it." -- StephenB http://paralepsis.blogspot.com/....pot.com

Marion Delgado Posts: 89 Joined: Nov. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2009,11:49    I'm kind of teary-eyed. Glad to see they're keeping the old traditions going there!

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2009,16:56    OK, so we gotta add "Comments must conform to Behe's "Wedgie of Evolution" to UD's new open moderation rules. Gotcha, Barry. 27 Barry Arrington 05/15/2009 1:33 pm djmullen your comment at [19] betrays a woeful lack of understanding of even the most basic evolutionary concepts even at the basic level of single celled organisms. Pretty much everything you say is either flat out wrong or distorted. Read Behe’s Edge of Evolution. Then come back to us. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2009,17:12    meet the new rules, same as the old rules.   but now with new sparkle fresh crystals! same country fresh smell! -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2009,18:33    Quote (Erasmus @ FCD,May 15 2009,18:12) meet the new rules, same as the old rules.   but now with new sparkle fresh crystals! same country fresh smell! There is a smell. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 15 2009,21:30    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ May 16 2009,00:56) OK, so we gotta add "Comments must conform to Behe's "Wedgie of Evolution" to UD's new open moderation rules. Gotcha, Barry. 27 Barry Arrington 05/15/2009 1:33 pm djmullen your comment at [19] betrays a woeful lack of understanding of even the most basic evolutionary concepts even at the basic level of single celled organisms. Pretty much everything you say is either flat out wrong or distorted. Read Behe’s Edge of Evolution. Then come back to us. Behe? Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha This will be a better read and has much much more "Thruthiness" -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

deadman_932 Posts: 3094 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 16 2009,17:54    There appears to be a self-ban in the 16 May 2009 " PZ Myers throws down a gauntlet to ID" thread. "AmerikanInKananaskis" who raised some suspicion as a possible DaveScooterScot sock, expresses his real or feigned disgust Quote 2:20 pm So what are the names of the two orphan genes that make up the bacterial flagellum? == I had the answer, and I was going to share it here, but the putzes who run this place deleted one of my posts yesterday. I’m fed up with their dishonesty. Good riddance to this place Ah believes "Willy" = synonym for putz. -------------- AtBC Award for Thoroughness in the Face of Creationism

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 21 2009,18:31    Quote 3 Nakashima 05/21/2009 1:22 pm Mr Arrington, [snip] How is that experiment on the liberties of Mr Madsen going? Is he still banned? Why? Quote 9 Barry Arrington 05/21/2009 6:06 pm [snip] Nakashima, one more crack like the one in [3] and you will join Mr. Madsen. I have “experimented” on no one’s liberties. Commenting on this blog is a privilege, not a right guaranteed by the First Amendment nor any other provision of law. Abuse that privilege and suffer the consequences. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 21 2009,18:54    OK, OK.   Gotta keep up: - Say pretty much whatever you want so long it isn't defamatory or profane. And no vicious personal attacks. - And no history of ridiculing UD elsewhere. - And no asking questions we can't answer, or answering questions we can't ask. - And don't be rude. - And no comments that appear to be intended to confuse or obfuscate, even if it is we who are confused and obdurate. - And no levity at BarryA's expense. - And no hurting Gil's widdle feewings. - And no underscoring the hypocrisy of all this. - And no commenting that UD has become a political blog. - And make sure you read the Wedgie of Evolution and conform your comments to same. - And no cracking wise on moderation at UD. - Scratch all of the above if you are pro-ID. We won't more than gently reprimand you if you insult others. - But if you explain that the target of your personal attack was being just plain stupid, then it's OK after all, you can call them stupid. - Moderators get to call people stupid too. Stupid. Where the fuck is DaveTard?? -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: May 21 2009,20:40    forgot one, not sure where it falls in the winnowing sphere of liberties ID supporters may make thinly veiled or direct threats against evilutionists as long as they do it elsewhere and just link to it here. Don't even mention ATBC or you'll immediately be on moderation and automatically face bannination review board. -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 21 2009,23:46    Quote (keiths @ May 21 2009,19:31) Quote 3 Nakashima 05/21/2009 1:22 pm Mr Arrington, [snip] How is that experiment on the liberties of Mr Madsen going? Is he still banned? Why? Quote 9 Barry Arrington 05/21/2009 6:06 pm [snip] Nakashima, one more crack like the one in [3] and you will join Mr. Madsen. I have “experimented” on no one’s liberties. Commenting on this blog is a privilege, not a right guaranteed by the First Amendment nor any other provision of law. Abuse that privilege and suffer the consequences. You skipped the intervening boot lick by Clive Quote 5 Clive Hayden 05/21/2009 1:36 pm Nakashima, —”How is that experiment on the liberties of Mr Madsen going? Is he still banned? Why?” Lets try to stay on topic. Of course , the question still stands, how did Madsen abuse the privilege? -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 22 2009,16:06    ...and then Barry's next post has comments turned off. I think Barry would feel more comfortable moderating Evolution News and Views. I wonder if Barry has a fantasy about retrying KvD with himself as the lead TMLC attorney. Strangely, I have a similar fantasy. -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

KCdgw Posts: 376 Joined: Sep. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: May 22 2009,16:17    Quote - Say pretty much whatever you want so long it isn't defamatory or profane. And no vicious personal attacks. -- And no disagreeing with our dumbass  definitions of things KC -------------- Those who know the truth are not equal to those who love it-- Confucius

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: May 22 2009,18:31    Quote (dvunkannon @ May 22 2009,16:06) ...and then Barry's next post has comments turned off. I think Barry would feel more comfortable moderating Evolution News and Views. I wonder if Barry has a fantasy about retrying KvD with himself as the lead TMLC attorney. Strangely, I have a similar fantasy. You think that you could do a better job of sinking IDC than Richard Thompson did? -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 22 2009,19:13    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 22 2009,16:31)   Quote (dvunkannon @ May 22 2009,16:06) ...and then Barry's next post has comments turned off. I think Barry would feel more comfortable moderating Evolution News and Views. I wonder if Barry has a fantasy about retrying KvD with himself as the lead TMLC attorney. Strangely, I have a similar fantasy. You think that you could do a better job of sinking IDC than Richard Thompson did? Nah.  Just as Dembski's fantasy is to be the Isaac Newton of information theory, I think dvunkannon wants to be the Clarence Darrow of ID (if that isn't a contradiction in terms). Can you imagine the adulation that would have been lavished on Thompson by the fundies if he had won in Dover? -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

dvunkannon Posts: 1377 Joined: June 2008 (Permalink) Posted: May 22 2009,21:47    Quote (keiths @ May 22 2009,20:13) Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 22 2009,16:31)   Quote (dvunkannon @ May 22 2009,16:06) ...and then Barry's next post has comments turned off. I think Barry would feel more comfortable moderating Evolution News and Views. I wonder if Barry has a fantasy about retrying KvD with himself as the lead TMLC attorney. Strangely, I have a similar fantasy. You think that you could do a better job of sinking IDC than Richard Thompson did? Nah.  Just as Dembski's fantasy is to be the Isaac Newton of information theory, I think dvunkannon wants to be the Clarence Darrow of ID (if that isn't a contradiction in terms). Can you imagine the adulation that would have been lavished on Thompson by the fundies if he had won in Dover? No. I want to see BARRY sink IDC! -------------- I’m referring to evolution, not changes in allele frequencies. - Cornelius Hunter I’m not an evolutionist, I’m a change in allele frequentist! - Nakashima

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 22 2009,22:45    Quote (dvunkannon @ May 22 2009,19:47) Quote (keiths @ May 22 2009,20:13) Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ May 22 2009,16:31)     Quote (dvunkannon @ May 22 2009,16:06) ...and then Barry's next post has comments turned off. I think Barry would feel more comfortable moderating Evolution News and Views. I wonder if Barry has a fantasy about retrying KvD with himself as the lead TMLC attorney. Strangely, I have a similar fantasy. You think that you could do a better job of sinking IDC than Richard Thompson did? Nah.  Just as Dembski's fantasy is to be the Isaac Newton of information theory, I think dvunkannon wants to be the Clarence Darrow of ID (if that isn't a contradiction in terms). Can you imagine the adulation that would have been lavished on Thompson by the fundies if he had won in Dover? No. I want to see BARRY sink IDC! You can't say he's not doing his part. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 23 2009,10:19    Quote 6 Barry Arrington 05/22/2009 10:29 am eintown writes: “But either Michael Novacek has never taken a look at the hominid fossil record, or he too is being sensationalistic, as there are hundreds of skeletons available piece together primate evolution.” OK, on this subject we have the word of the curator of paleontology at the American Museum of Natural History, an avowed Darwinist with no interest in understating the evidence. And we have the an anonymous blogger named “eintown.” Any takers on who has more cred? Oh, pick me! Pick me! Pick me! I can answer that! This is the last comment in the thread, but it wasn't always thus.  There used to be a reply from eintown. Silent bannination? -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 23 2009,10:36    On the Snow Roller thread, Bilboe asked: Quote I’m impressed by your analysis, DLH, but the real question is, what is the difference between a snowman and a snowwoman? Beelzebub replied: Quote Snowwomen are frigid.  Snowmen lose their erections when things heat up. Beelzebub's comment has vanished.  I guess it was too racy for UD. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 23 2009,18:24    Beelzebub gets under Clive's skin: Quote 155 Clive Hayden 05/23/2009 5:43 pm beelzebub, You would do well to listen to StephenB, who, from his own good nature, is trying to help you. And please, I will only ask once, stop attributing mannerisms to me, I have not been embarrassed, I am not stinging, I have not been desperate, etc. etc. All this is ridiculous pathos, and certainly not logos. It’s the last vestige of a man who, when he cannot provide argument, wants to assert how the argument is going. It’s juvenile and it’s insulting to me. Do not try to paint me and my emotions and reactions in your fictitious picture of the argument. You don’t know me, and you can’t speak, even though you do like to speak a lot, about what I am feeling or how I am reacting. All this is self-serving rhetoric. This is the sort of ploy that screams of desperation, to be frank. If you keep it up, I will delete your comments in which they appear. I have no problem with you making arguments, but leave your silly notions of my reactions and emotions out of it, or your comments will be deleted. I have been patient with this particular problem that you have, hoping that you’d grow out of it, you don’t seem to be growing out of it. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 23 2009,18:54    Clive can't send Beelzebub to Hell, which after all would be like throwing Br'er Rabbit into the briar patch.  So he does the next best thing and puts Beelzebub in Moderation Purgatory: Quote Your comment is awaiting moderation. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 23 2009,23:45    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ May 21 2009,16:54) - And no hurting Gil's widdle feewings. Or Clive's, evidently. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 24 2009,15:18    Clive demonstrates the art of rapid-fire hypocrisy: Quote You don’t know me, and you can’t speak, even though you do like to speak a lot, about what I am feeling or how I am reacting. Three sentences earlier: Quote It’s the last vestige of a man who, when he cannot provide argument, wants to assert how the argument is going. Two sentences later: Quote This is the sort of ploy that screams of desperation, to be frank. I like it when Clive gets wound up. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2009,00:32    This comment of Diffaxial's has now been Raptured: Quote (keiths @ May 24 2009,14:25) Diffaxial lampoons jerry's extended fantasy involving stealth ID research on bovid evolution: Quote 144 Diffaxial 05/24/2009 1:30 pm Jerry @ 142: Quote I have used this example a couple times before and it may start you on the way to having a clue. Your fantasy self conducts imaginary research, and obtains imaginary results. He goes on to imaginary fame, and a still larger imaginary research project. He does reach mistaken imaginary conclusions, however. (Can’t blame him, as you are imagining those conclusions for him.) He concludes that a radiation of species from monophyletic origins may be expressed “in other words” as “fairly conclusive proof that this family has descended from a population with a gene pool much larger than any of the genera gene pools through micro evolution processes…the environment, separation of sub populations, genetic processes and natural selection just narrowed the original gene pool and produced a bunch of new species.” But that only follows in an imaginary world of creationist triumph, in which you get to impose your imaginary findings. You imagine that his work supports Behe’s edge of evolution. But it doesn’t; the kind and rate of evolution he discovered is exactly what would be expected from orthodox theory. Further, it supports the notion that a large variety of bovids can evolve by small changes from a common ancestor, precisely the point of evolution.* What he doesn’t do is guide his imaginary research by means of imaginary hypotheses and imaginary predictions that arise uniquely from ID, such that ID is put at risk of imaginary disconfirmation. The one component of the behavior of your imaginary self that does comport with ID reality is his smug inward smile, reflecting his grandiose belief that, against all odds, he holds a key to a secret scientific revolution of which none of his colleagues are aware. (I was disappointed that Miss Bunsen, his imaginary lab assistant, didn’t throw off her glasses, let down her dark hair, and further increase his self-regard on his imaginary lab table.) You offer this as an argument against my assertion that empirical research in ID is imaginary. *I’m in debt to Zachriel’s earlier deconstruction of this weird fantasy. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 25 2009,09:27    Crossposted from the UD thread: Diffaxial states the obvious: Quote Diffaxial 05/25/2009 7:54 am My comments are now being arbitrarily and silently deleted, which I’ll chose to accept as a compliment vis their effectiveness. Moderation may remark, “your comment was satirical” (which it surely was, although that satire conveyed a serious observation). To that I reply that in the above thread Jerry has repeatedly characterized my remarks as “stupid,” as “a joke,” and as “clueless,” while I have never used such language. Yet Jerry’s remarks still stand. Moreover, on the “science is self-correcting” thread StephenB has just posted satirical replies he imagines I might make to several of his questions. They also still stand. (I don’t mind.) It follows that it is not the satirical component of my post that resulted in its deletion. Rather, once again, it is reasonable to conclude that moderation at UD finds it necessary to place its thumb on the scale when the discussion is going badly for ID. Jerry: Are you going to hide behind moderation’s skirt, or request that the comment in question be restored? I would. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 27 2009,15:24    Two more Raptured comments, as reported on the "Uncommonly Dense" thread: Quote (keiths @ May 26 2009,21:23)   Quote (keiths @ May 26 2009,21:00) A couple of beelzebub's comments on the "Faith and Evolution" thread, in case they never see the light of day:     Quote 2 beelzebub 05/26/2009 10:33 pm Your comment is awaiting moderation. The opening video misquotes Darwin as saying Quote The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is at bottom no design, no purpose, nothing but blind pitiless indifference. Come on, people, how hard is it to do a little fact checking? That quote is from Richard Dawkins, not Charles Darwin. Also, I had to chuckle when I saw Phillip Johnson described in the video as a “science author.” Last, there’s a typo in the press release at the bottom where it lists the URLs. ‘faithandevolution.org’ is mistyped as ‘faithanevolution.org’. Par for the course.     Quote 3 beelzebub 05/26/2009 10:48 pm Your comment is awaiting moderation. It gets worse. Not only is the quote misattributed, but it has been altered. The actual quote reads: Quote The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. I guess “no evil and no good” sounded too neutral to the propagandists, so they excised it. It’s good to see that the DI is upholding its usual high standards. Good thing I saved them.  They've both been poofed out of existence at UD. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: May 28 2009,13:09    Beelzebub is banished to that great moderation queue in the bowels of the earth, from which there is no exit:   Quote 331 Clive Hayden 05/28/2009 10:59 am beelzebub, mauka, ribczynski, kieths, I have to wonder why you are so fixated on commenting, under your various sock-puppets, when you are so disdainful of the programme here. I can’t understand why someone would be so interested in something that they thought so awful and wrong. It would be like eating something that you couldn’t stomach, everyday, over and over. Now run on home to your AtBC buddy’s, find some comfort in clinging to the legs of daddy Dawkins, and cry about how you’re so mistreated here.  I’m sure I’ll see you soon under another masochistic sock-puppet. I responded, but of course my comment did not appear: Quote Clive writes: Quote beelzebub, mauka, ribczynski, kieths, I have to wonder why you are so fixated on commenting, under your various sock-puppets, when you are so disdainful of the programme here. I thought dialog was the ostensible "programme" here.  Am I mistaken? If so, then perhaps you should disclose the actual program. Quote I can’t understand why someone would be so interested in something that they thought so awful and wrong. Partly because the need for informed criticism is so great here, partly because it's fascinating to watch you guys as you struggle to rationalize your beliefs, and partly for the sheer fun of debating.   Quote It would be like eating something that you couldn’t stomach, everyday, over and over. Not at all.  It's more like watching a well-written comedy/disaster movie, where the hapless crew keeps ramming the ship into the iceberg over and over.  The only part that's hard to stomach is the hypocrisy, when it occurs. Quote Now run on home to your AtBC buddy’s, find some comfort in clinging to the legs of daddy Dawkins, and cry about how you’re so mistreated here. Here's a different idea: why not let my comments appear, since they easily conform to the moderation standards as well as or better than yours and Barry's? For the benefit of the other socks navigating the washing machine at UD, here is the comment that pushed Clive over the edge (reproduced from memory, since Clive deleted it).  It was in response to two comments (link, link) of Clive's in which he cites the "alien behaviour" of chimpanzee inter-group conflict as evidence against our common ancestry: Quote Clive, If you think that chimp nastiness is "alien behaviour" to humans, then you should put down the Lewis and Chesterton and open up a newspaper from time to time. That's it. What's fascinating is that despite the bannination, he actually approved later comments of mine that were in the moderation queue, though he was too thin-skinned to let this one appear. Clive is very touchy when it comes to his idols Lewis and Chesterton.  (Hey Clive, don't forget the first commandment.) -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

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