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Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 08 2014,12:35    Sounds like the ball landed in the sand trap...

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2014,19:37    Barry Arrington, Rhetorical Lawyer: Quote Mark, I presume that if he [presumably Pete Singer, professional materialist ethicist - p] were to [“frame advice and solutions in a way that is ethically supportable”], he would bring the view that human beings are merely clever animals with no more intrinsic value than other animals and the view that granny’s desire to live may be outweighed by your desire to kill her to that conversation. Am I wrong? Mark Frank: Quote The answer is I have no idea because I don’t know Peter Singer. If he did, he would be doing the job rather poorly. Barry, RL: Quote No Mark. You did not answer the question @ 25. You dodged it. Don’t you see; the question is rhetorical. The answer is manifest. And denying the manifest answer is a dodge. Mark Frank: Quote You asked “am I wrong?”. And now you tell me that  the only answer that counts as answer as far as you are concerned is “no”. Is this a lawyer’s trick – to ask a question and then accuse some of not answering it because they didn’t give the answer you wanted? Answer the question, Barry. Dont deny the manifest answer! Bolding and italic parenthetical are mine. ETA: fixed first link -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2014,21:16    Quote [...] he would bring the view that human beings are merely clever animals with no more intrinsic value than other animals [...] Uh - intrinsic value to who? (Or should that be "whom"?) Certainly humans (generally) regard humans as more valuable than animals. I suppose intrinsic value just means that the opinion of value is fairly widespread, but it's still opinion. Henry

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 09 2014,23:33    Quote (Henry J @ Sep. 09 2014,19:16) Quote [...] he would bring the view that human beings are merely clever animals with no more intrinsic value than other animals [...] Uh - intrinsic value to who? (Or should that be "whom"?) Certainly humans (generally) regard humans as more valuable than animals. I suppose intrinsic value just means that the opinion of value is fairly widespread, but it's still opinion. Henry Sez you.  ;-p -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2014,01:59    Quote (paragwinn @ Sep. 09 2014,19:37) Barry Arrington, Rhetorical Lawyer: One http:// to many in the link. -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2014,11:06    anybody giving odds on how long until Dense et al. claim this Adami research proves ID?

Learned Hand Posts: 214 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2014,12:23    Quote You asked “am I wrong?”. And now you tell me that  the only answer that counts as answer as far as you are concerned is “no”. Is this a lawyer’s trick – to ask a question and then accuse some of not answering it because they didn’t give the answer you wanted? No. If a lawyer wants you to give a certain answer, he'll use leading questions to get you there. Nothing that he wrote seems like a careful attempt to make a rhetorical point; Arrington just doesn't want to think about your position.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2014,15:22    I fucking love that Reciprocating Bill. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2014,15:30    Angry Christian lawyer When not debt collecting Censors flock from science and Those who are God rejecting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v....eVp5A4o -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Freddie Posts: 371 Joined: Oct. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2014,16:32    "Vestigial".  You keep using that word ... UD Link -------------- Joe: Most criticisims of ID stem from ignorance and jealousy. Joe: As for the authors of the books in the Bible, well the OT was authored by Moses and the NT was authored by various people. Byers: The eskimo would not need hairy hair growth as hair, I say, is for keeping people dry. Not warm.

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 10 2014,18:27    Uncommon Descent lies again. They say: Quote It took them a while to find the bones, because they tended not to be kept, as they were believed to be vestigial. What does the Science Daily article they link to say? Quote "Cetacean skeletons are stored as boxes of bones on warehouse shelves, with each box containing an individual specimen. You have to comb through each box looking for the specific bone you need. The pelvic bones are comparatively small and aren't always collected with the rest of the skeleton, but after the first couple hundred boxes we got very good at finding them when they were present," said Dines, who graduated last spring from USC Dornsife's Integrative and Evolutionary Biology program while maintaining his role at NHM. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,06:29    Quote (paragwinn @ Sep. 10 2014,00:37) Barry Arrington, Rhetorical Lawyer: Having schooled a human being on ethics, Barry will next teach a porpoise how to swim, a star how to shine, and Michael Jordan how to shoot hoops. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,10:47    WJM comes across as an insufferable prick - again: Quote The morality problem was one of the main reasons I decided to become a theist again. Of what value is being a “good” person, or even trying, if it is only in accordance to one’s own whims or the ebbs and flows of popular views? I can’t imagine the depth of self-deceit necessary to feel comfortable, much less satisfied, with such a facile concept of “good”. That sort of good seems to me to be the sort of “good” only a sociopath or mindless drone could accept. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,10:56    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 11 2014,10:47) WJM comes across as an insufferable prick - again: Quote The morality problem was one of the main reasons I decided to become a theist again. Of what value is being a “good” person, or even trying, if it is only in accordance to one’s own whims or the ebbs and flows of popular views? I can’t imagine the depth of self-deceit necessary to feel comfortable, much less satisfied, with such a facile concept of “good”. That sort of good seems to me to be the sort of “good” only a sociopath or mindless drone could accept. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

NoName Posts: 2729 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,11:24    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 11 2014,11:47) WJM comes across as an insufferable prick - again: Quote The morality problem was one of the main reasons I decided to become a theist again. Of what value is being a “good” person, or even trying, if it is only in accordance to one’s own whims or the ebbs and flows of popular views? I can’t imagine the depth of self-deceit necessary to feel comfortable, much less satisfied, with such a facile concept of “good”. That sort of good seems to me to be the sort of “good” only a sociopath or mindless drone could accept. Right.  You can only be good if you get a payoff, and if you can live in the comfortable certainty that malefactors will be punished severely.  The punisher, of course, agrees with 100% on who needs punishment and who gets payoffs. Contemptible, and barely even a pretense at genuine ethical insights or grounding. They can talk to me when they solve Euthyphro's Dilemma.

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,12:27    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 11 2014,15:47) WJM comes across as an insufferable prick - again: Quote The morality problem was one of the main reasons I decided to become a theist again. Of what value is being a “good” person, or even trying, if it is only in accordance to one’s own whims or the ebbs and flows of popular views? I can’t imagine the depth of self-deceit necessary to feel comfortable, much less satisfied, with such a facile concept of “good”. That sort of good seems to me to be the sort of “good” only a sociopath or mindless drone could accept. Not that he even thinks his deistic god exists, just that he couldn't cope without one. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,12:44    Quote (Driver @ Sep. 11 2014,18:27)     Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 11 2014,15:47) WJM comes across as an insufferable prick - again:       Quote The morality problem was one of the main reasons I decided to become a theist again. Of what value is being a “good” person, or even trying, if it is only in accordance to one’s own whims or the ebbs and flows of popular views? I can’t imagine the depth of self-deceit necessary to feel comfortable, much less satisfied, with such a facile concept of “good”. That sort of good seems to me to be the sort of “good” only a sociopath or mindless drone could accept. Not that he even thinks his deistic god exists, just that he couldn't cope without one. He doesn't even need to be a theist - he's a 'natural law' moralist. Not sure why he adds God to the mix, since he thinks even capital-H He is bound by the Law. Talk of self-deceit is rich. He believes in free will, except that in matters moral, you only have free will in a 'do ya feel lucky, punk?' kind of way. If it makes him happy and restrains his urges then fair play. Not everyone needs that - they recognise more immediate consequences, like feeling shit about doing 'wrong'. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

paragwinn Posts: 539 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,17:55    Quote (stevestory @ Sep. 10 2014,09:06) anybody giving odds on how long until Dense et al. claim this Adami research proves ID? I give it 1:1 -------------- All women build up a resistance [to male condescension]. Apparently, ID did not predict that. -Kristine 4-19-11 F/Ns to F/Ns to F/Ns etc. The whole thing is F/N ridiculous -Seversky on KF footnote fetish 8-20-11 Sigh. Really Bill? - Barry Arrington

Seversky Posts: 442 Joined: June 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,19:31    Bully Arrington places some pearls of wisdom before materialist swine. Quote Not Merely False That wasn't one of them. Quote The following statements are so obvious as to be considered truisms. 1. The primordial datum: I am subjectively self-aware. Isn't subjective self-awareness something of a tautology? Quote 2. It is not possible even in principle to account for mental facts, such as the primordial datum, on the basis of physical facts. They are different sorts of things; therefore one cannot account for the other Show me mental facts/self-awareness entirely separate from any physical matrix or substrate and you might have a point.  As it is, we never observe one without the other.   To me that looks like a connection.  It suggests that at some level, one accounts for the other.   Quote 3. It follows that a reductionist materialism is not merely false but obviously false Sounds like Bully has a thing about falsies - sorry, falsisms. In any event, there may be good arguments against a materialist position but tautologies and truisms don't cut it.

Seversky Posts: 442 Joined: June 2010 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 11 2014,19:37    StephenB intones Quote It is obvious that matter cannot reflect on itself. Mirror, mirror... Alright, seriously, it may have escaped your notice but there are billions of incredibly complex arrangements of matter and energy on this planet that are doing just that right now. Okay, fair's fair, maybe not so many on UD.

Nils Ruhr Posts: 42 Joined: Nov. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2014,13:30    In a thread called Request for Comments Barry keeps deleting comments.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2014,15:02    Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Sep. 12 2014,11:30) In a thread called Request for Comments Barry keeps deleting comments. All you need to know about Uncommonly Dense in eleven words. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2014,16:34    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 11 2014,17:44) Quote (Driver @ Sep. 11 2014,18:27)       Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 11 2014,15:47) WJM comes across as an insufferable prick - again:         Quote The morality problem was one of the main reasons I decided to become a theist again. Of what value is being a “good” person, or even trying, if it is only in accordance to one’s own whims or the ebbs and flows of popular views? I can’t imagine the depth of self-deceit necessary to feel comfortable, much less satisfied, with such a facile concept of “good”. That sort of good seems to me to be the sort of “good” only a sociopath or mindless drone could accept. Not that he even thinks his deistic god exists, just that he couldn't cope without one. He doesn't even need to be a theist - he's a 'natural law' moralist. Not sure why he adds God to the mix, since he thinks even capital-H He is bound by the Law. Talk of self-deceit is rich. He believes in free will, except that in matters moral, you only have free will in a 'do ya feel lucky, punk?' kind of way. If it makes him happy and restrains his urges then fair play. Not everyone needs that - they recognise more immediate consequences, like feeling shit about doing 'wrong'. As you imply, his referring to sociopaths is also rich. Not that he certainly is one, but that he talks about morality as if he is. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 12 2014,19:43    Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Sep. 12 2014,13:30) In a thread called Request for Comments Barry keeps deleting comments. Yes, that is particularly ironic. However, the concept of UD deleting comments, even when the thread title isn't about comments, has been an ongoing part of the discussion here since, well, UD. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2014,03:28    Quote (Driver @ Sep. 12 2014,22:34)     Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 11 2014,17:44)       Quote (Driver @ Sep. 11 2014,18:27)             Quote (Soapy Sam @ Sep. 11 2014,15:47) WJM comes across as an insufferable prick - again:               Quote The morality problem was one of the main reasons I decided to become a theist again. Of what value is being a “good” person, or even trying, if it is only in accordance to one’s own whims or the ebbs and flows of popular views? I can’t imagine the depth of self-deceit necessary to feel comfortable, much less satisfied, with such a facile concept of “good”. That sort of good seems to me to be the sort of “good” only a sociopath or mindless drone could accept. Not that he even thinks his deistic god exists, just that he couldn't cope without one. He doesn't even need to be a theist - he's a 'natural law' moralist. Not sure why he adds God to the mix, since he thinks even capital-H He is bound by the Law. Talk of self-deceit is rich. He believes in free will, except that in matters moral, you only have free will in a 'do ya feel lucky, punk?' kind of way. If it makes him happy and restrains his urges then fair play. Not everyone needs that - they recognise more immediate consequences, like feeling shit about doing 'wrong'. As you imply, his referring to sociopaths is also rich. Not that he certainly is one, but that he talks about morality as if he is. Yes - I often wonder, when people talk of personal restraints such as empathy, guilt, revulsion etc, whether he has any idea what they are talking about! Perhaps he isn't being intentionally offensive when he refers to people of different opinion as 'mindless drones', 'automata' etc. This isn't an original observation, but a less funny Sheldon Cooper comes to mind. -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 13 2014,14:29    Quote (Wesley R. Elsberry @ Sep. 12 2014,19:43) Quote (Nils Ruhr @ Sep. 12 2014,13:30) In a thread called Request for Comments Barry keeps deleting comments. Yes, that is particularly ironic. However, the concept of UD deleting comments, even when the thread title isn't about comments, has been an ongoing part of the discussion here since, well, UD. Over in the blog Czar years thread a give an example of where Barry asks questions and then refuses to allow the answers to posts, and where he asks "Do you have any evidence for that" (it comes from a linked article) and asserts some math is an "obviously flawed back of the envelope calculation" although he can't quite bring himself to point out what is specifically wrong. UD = Barry's Pulpit Bully Apologetics Website. No wonder its traffic is dying. Editz 4 spells Edited by Richardthughes on Sep. 13 2014,15:45 -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2014,09:34    Here's one for the American Taliban over at UD, should anyone be able to get pat the c*nsors: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news....schools -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2014,09:47    KF Quote I got a transition hotting up — a live on air political suicide y/day He is just Mr. Fixit of Montserrat. There's no constitutional crises that doesn't require his help. The Jack Bauer of the Caribbean. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 17 2014,11:49    Quote (Richardthughes @ Sep. 17 2014,15:47) KF     Quote I got a transition hotting up — a live on air political suicide y/day He is just Mr. Fixit of Montserrat. There's no constitutional crises that doesn't require his help. The Jack Bauer of the Caribbean. Presently the great devil beneath the mountain lies dormant so he's got a lot of free time on his hands.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 19 2014,14:00    Barry is layering! in his post "Discussions with a TE" http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelli....th-a-te Barry admits: Quote Preliminary Note:  I have put words in the TE’s mouth based on my understanding of what he would in fact say.  If I have gotten it wrong, I trust you will inform me. Shades of: http://designinference.com/documen....egy.pdf There is truly no new tard under the sun. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

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