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Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,23:37    Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,20:18) (snip a whole pile of sanctimonious horseshit) Time is short.  I could tell you more if anyone is interested.  But I will not give what is holy to dogs. Actually RFJE, instead of telling us about the 1 in 100 cancer patients whose cancer went into remission due to the intervention of a loving Jeebus,  why don't you tell us about the other 99 who died a horrible painful death despite them and their families praying every day? -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Wesley R. Elsberry Posts: 4991 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 11 2009,23:47    Words of wisdom from St. Augustine: Quote Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of this world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he hold to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion. -------------- "You can't teach an old dogma new tricks." - Dorothy Parker

deadman_932 Posts: 3094 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,00:24    Quote (J-Dog @ Feb. 11 2009,07:55) For more, much more, RFJE blustering, please stop by and visit the UK Board I have linked to. RFJE - If this is NOT you, please let us know. kthnxbai Female First Board Looks like RFJE loves her /him some UK talk.  No wonder RFJE and Louis get along so well! :) I tossed up a quick post there to let folks know where RFJE was currently getting spanked. I'm hoping to draw in more fresh meat a few new faces, since you guys keep smushing all the old ones. P.S. Try not to break THIS one so damn quick, willya? -------------- AtBC Award for Thoroughness in the Face of Creationism

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,02:05    Nice, Deadman! Maybe you should have added that we offer free bibles...? :D Wes: I wanted to use a portion of that quote as my signature when I created my account, but no matter how I cut it, I couldn't come out with anything satisfactory that would fit in the characters limitation. Augustine of Hippo was a great thinker! -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

Reed Posts: 274 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,03:15    Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,18:18) Have you ever seen a man who couldn't walk get up after African pastors prayed for him in the name of Jesus? Even if this anecdote had evidence to back it up, it's not terribly compelling in the grand scheme of things. Consider smallpox: It seems reasonable to assume any believer in prayer would pray for a cure if affected by it. Yet for the last few thousand years, about 1 in 3 of those infected died, without regard to who they prayed to. Unlike prayer, variolation brought the fatality rate down significantly. In other words... snorting smallpox scabs is a demonstrably more effective than praying. A lot more effective. Humans, with a bit of science and a lot of hard work accomplished what the preceding millennia of prayer could not: the complete eradication of the disease. Or how about rabies. Without modern treatment, it is essentially 100% fatal. God cures your sisters lactose intolerance, but ignores every single rabies victim until Pasteur comes along ? Nice!

oldmanintheskydidntdoit Posts: 4999 Joined: July 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,05:13    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/ Quote A simple experiment For this experiment, we need to find a deserving person who has had both of his legs amputated. For example, find a sincere, devout veteran of the Iraqi war, or a person who was involved in a tragic automobile accident. Now create a prayer circle like the one created for Jeanna Giese. The job of this prayer circle is simple: pray to God to restore the amputated legs of this deserving person. I do not mean to pray for a team of renowned surgeons to somehow graft the legs of a cadaver onto the soldier, nor for a team of renowned scientists to craft mechanical legs for him. Pray that God spontaneously and miraculously restores the soldier's legs overnight, in the same way that God spontaneously and miraculously cured Jeanna Giese and Marilyn Hickey's mother. If possible, get millions of people all over the planet to join the prayer circle and pray their most fervent prayers. Get millions of people praying in unison for a single miracle for this one deserving amputee. Then stand back and watch. What is going to happen? Jesus clearly says that if you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. He does not say it once -- he says it many times in many ways in the Bible. And yet, even with millions of people praying, nothing will happen. -------------- I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies". FTK if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot stand Gordon Mullings

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,05:21    Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 12 2009,02:18) Have you ever seen a man who couldn't walk get up after African pastors prayed for him in the name of Jesus?.... [SNIP] RFJE, Forgive me if I summarise: Things that you claim are direct evidence of the supernatural: 1) People prayed for a man who could not walk, and then he walked. 2) People prayed for a woman who could not drink milk, and then she could drink milk. 3) When you were attacked by dogs, the dogs looked at something behind you and ran away. 4) Prophecy predicted the modern creation of Israel and the return of Jews to that region. 5) We are in the "last days" due to various aspects of prophecy. Things relating to "us": 1) "If you think that there is no spiritual world, your spiritual are eyes are shut. If you think that the natural world is all you are all wrong." (This quote of yours is more illustrative than any rephrasing I could make). 2) Your claimed experience of the supernatural constitutes reliable evidence. 3) "We" spread our "pernicious beliefs" in schools and the media. 4) "We" are dogs. Did I misrepresent anything? I haven't tried to get everything from your post in there, I just wanted to get the key elements. There's a lot to unpack there, you seem to have arrived at AtBC with a rather large quantity of baggage! The difficulty is knowing where to begin. Rather than initially deal with everything you bring up, I'm going to try to do something different from normal and get to the root of your issues. I'd be very grateful of you could answer a few questions for me: 1) For what purpose have you decided to post at AtBC? Are you on a conversion mission or have you come to discuss things in a more adult manner? 2) Precisely what "pernicious beliefs" do "we" spread through the schools and media? 3) Why are those "pernicious beliefs" pernicious? I.e. what damage do they do and how are they evil? 4) What about those "pernicious beliefs" makes them beliefs? I.e. presumably there are aspects of the real world upon which you and I could agree (more on this in a moment). The word belief at least implies that little or no reference to available evidence is made. 5) Is there any piece of well supported, evidence based science which you think we could agree upon? I'm trying to find some utterly uncontroversial, evidence based common ground  we can build a discussion from. At the moment, I think you're talking at people and just starting a nonsensical flame war. Cheers Louis P.S. Just FYI, sanctimonious, holier-than-thou rants ending in calling the people you are trying to talk to "dogs" are not a good way to engender polite discussion. The missionary zeal and holy fire possibly took you a bit far there. In fact I'm getting the distinct and unpleasant whiff of ignorant arrogance from you RFJE. It happens unfortunately often with the more religious of our chums, try to wipe the froth from your mouth, calm down, and think rationally. Otherwise you'll get your third strike from me, and I'll just ignore or mock you. No great loss for you I'm sure, but if you want a reasonable discussion, you'll have lost at least one possible participant by being obnoxious. How about this: Quote God is the immemorial refuge of the incompetent, the helpless, the miserable. They find not only sanctuary in His arms, but also a kind of superiority, soothing to their macerated egos; He will set them above their betters. H L Mencken -------------- Bye.

hereoisreal Posts: 745 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,06:16    RFJE, For the life of me, I do not know the difference between casting bread on the water and casting pearls to swine.   Zero -------------- 360  miracles and more at: http://www.hereoisreal.com/....eal.com Great news. God’s wife is pregnant! (Rev. 12:5) It's not over till the fat lady sings! (Isa. 54:1 & Zec 9:9)

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,06:25    Quote (hereoisreal @ Feb. 12 2009,12:16) RFJE, For the life of me, I do not know the difference between casting bread on the water and casting pearls to swine.   Zero Dogs? Swine? Isn't it charming how our religious brethren view us? The humility is what impresses me the most. Louis -------------- Bye.

hereoisreal Posts: 745 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,06:36    Quote (Louis @ Feb. 12 2009,06:25)   Quote (hereoisreal @ Feb. 12 2009,12:16) RFJE, For the life of me, I do not know the difference between casting bread on the water and casting pearls to swine.   Zero Dogs? Swine? Isn't it charming how our religious brethren view us? The humility is what impresses me the most. Louis Louis, think about it.  My post is an admonishment to RFJE, not you. IMHO, no one has a wise answer. Zero -------------- 360  miracles and more at: http://www.hereoisreal.com/....eal.com Great news. God’s wife is pregnant! (Rev. 12:5) It's not over till the fat lady sings! (Isa. 54:1 & Zec 9:9)

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,06:42    Quote (hereoisreal @ Feb. 12 2009,12:36) Quote (Louis @ Feb. 12 2009,06:25)   Quote (hereoisreal @ Feb. 12 2009,12:16) RFJE, For the life of me, I do not know the difference between casting bread on the water and casting pearls to swine.   Zero Dogs? Swine? Isn't it charming how our religious brethren view us? The humility is what impresses me the most. Louis Louis, think about it.  My post is an admonishment to RFJE, not you. IMHO, no one has a wise answer. Zero Oh I got it. I just like the comparisons! And I'm aware of the "I dunno so no one does" mentality thanks. Louis -------------- Bye.

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,06:56    Quote (hereoisreal @ Feb. 12 2009,13:36) Quote (Louis @ Feb. 12 2009,06:25)   Quote (hereoisreal @ Feb. 12 2009,12:16) RFJE, For the life of me, I do not know the difference between casting bread on the water and casting pearls to swine.   Zero Dogs? Swine? Isn't it charming how our religious brethren view us? The humility is what impresses me the most. Louis Louis, think about it.  My post is an admonishment to RFJE, not you. IMHO, no one has a wise answer. Zero I can safely say that a swine won't give a flying fuck about pearls. Now go on with your definition of "pearls". If RFJE's religious mumbo-jumbo bullshit is "pearls", count me with the swines. I'd rather eat shit every day than gobble a single of your "pearls". As for bread on water. Many little fishes could feed on it, eventualy attracting many other creatures that live on fishes...etc There that's your difference! -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

hereoisreal Posts: 745 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,08:12    Schroedinger’s Dog: >I'd rather eat shit every day than gobble a single of your "pearls".< ____ FYI, this thought, I jotted in my notes before you posted: “A sower went forth to sew.  The first seeds were ‘gobbled’ up by the devil.” I swear. Zero -------------- 360  miracles and more at: http://www.hereoisreal.com/....eal.com Great news. God’s wife is pregnant! (Rev. 12:5) It's not over till the fat lady sings! (Isa. 54:1 & Zec 9:9)

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,08:32    Quote (hereoisreal @ Feb. 12 2009,15:12) Schroedinger’s Dog: >I'd rather eat shit every day than gobble a single of your "pearls".< ____ FYI, this thought, I jotted in my notes before you posted: “A sower went forth to sew.  The first seeds were ‘gobbled’ up by the devil.” I swear. Zero Your point being? If we go in the strictly grammatical sense, "the devil gobbles". I said I'd rather eat shit every day than gobble a single of your "pearls". Thus: those that gobble your "pearls" are of the devil. QED Scriptures are useless in a rational argumentation, by the way. Now let's stop poluting and go on with the discussion. kthanksbye! -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

Nerull Posts: 317 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,09:54    Never seen a preacher heal someone who couldn't walk. I *have* seem them put people in wheelchairs and pretend to heal them. For the more honest ones, the person may actually have a disability, they just use a wheelchair for convenience, but they are capable of walking. I know people like this. The more dishonest ones use actors or have people sit in them who never use wheelchairs. People who can't really stand are ignored and not allowed into the 'healing' area. Go talk to these people sometime, instead of just relying on what the preacher tells you. They generally are not so enthusiastic about it afterward, since they know they've been played. -------------- To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,10:07    Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,20:18) My sister is a believer also.  She loved milk, but she was diagnosed with "an allergy to milk".  Couldn't even drink acidophilus. After 20 years of this condition she decided she wanted to drink milk, so she started praying and got prayer in church.  She can drink milk now without getting a stomach ache. RFJE, in all seriousness, I think it's extremely dangerous for your sister to defy medical advice simply to test her own faith this way. Doesn't your Bible teach you not to put your God to the test? You believe in Jesus; even he would not leap from the mountain with the faith that angels would rescue him. You are not going to convince me and I am not going to convince you, but please urge your sister to regularly see a doctor if she's going to continue to drink milk. Surely seeing a doctor doesn't threaten your faith if the doctor confirms that your sister is having no problems. Anyway, it's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong, people) that lactose intolerance is due to a dominant gene, so there is no "illness" about not being able to drink milk any more than having brown eyes is an "illness." -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,10:11    BTW "lactose intolerance" being cured by prayer is small beans compared to some of the crazy claims I've heard.  I remember Jason Gastrich claiming on T.O. he prayed for, and received, better gas mileage. That was hilarious. Louis -------------- Bye.

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,10:20    The irony, of course, is that we have a good evolutionary explanation for the emergence of the ability to tolerate lactose among European populations due to animal domestication. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,10:37    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ Feb. 12 2009,16:20) The irony, of course, is that we have a good evolutionary explanation for the emergence of the ability to tolerate lactose among European populations due to animal domestication. Shhhhhhhhh don't mention it. Inconvenient facts are just so prone to get in the way of a really good piece of sanctimony and god whalloping. Louis -------------- Bye.

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,10:43    Louis, you have been far too gracious, but that is a fault to celebrate. Also, you have been educating - your chemistry posts are always enlightening, thank you. RJFE, your posts make you appear arrogant, bombastic, disdainful, insulting, egotistical, vain, rude, base, conceited, ignorant, mean, crass, of an exaggerated self-opinion, insolent, presumptuous, disdainful, smug, snooty, snotty, stuck up, and all-around not nice at all. As a Christian professor I once worked with said, when speaking about the mega-church movement in the United States, "What ever happened to humility?"

Nerull Posts: 317 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,11:25    Oh, but he's lot lots of proverbs about humility! That counts, doesn't it? Even if he uses them to puff himself up and lord it over everyone? -------------- To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,11:27    Quote (Kristine @ Feb. 12 2009,10:07) Quote (RFJE @ Feb. 11 2009,20:18) My sister is a believer also.  She loved milk, but she was diagnosed with "an allergy to milk".  Couldn't even drink acidophilus. After 20 years of this condition she decided she wanted to drink milk, so she started praying and got prayer in church.  She can drink milk now without getting a stomach ache. RFJE, in all seriousness, I think it's extremely dangerous for your sister to defy medical advice simply to test her own faith this way. Doesn't your Bible teach you not to put your God to the test? You believe in Jesus; even he would not leap from the mountain with the faith that angels would rescue him. You are not going to convince me and I am not going to convince you, but please urge your sister to regularly see a doctor if she's going to continue to drink milk. Surely seeing a doctor doesn't threaten your faith if the doctor confirms that your sister is having no problems. Anyway, it's my understanding (correct me if I'm wrong, people) that lactose intolerance is due to a dominant gene, so there is no "illness" about not being able to drink milk any more than having brown eyes is an "illness." That is right Kristine.  Lactose tolerance is a loss of information about being lactose intolerant.   -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,11:30    Quote (clamboy @ Feb. 12 2009,10:43) Louis, you have been far too gracious, but that is a fault to celebrate. Also, you have been educating - your chemistry posts are always enlightening, thank you. RJFE, your posts make you appear arrogant, bombastic, disdainful, insulting, egotistical, vain, rude, base, conceited, ignorant, mean, crass, of an exaggerated self-opinion, insolent, presumptuous, disdainful, smug, snooty, snotty, stuck up, and all-around not nice at all. As a Christian professor I once worked with said, when speaking about the mega-church movement in the United States, "What ever happened to humility?" The Answer (without a lOLCat) -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,11:36    Quote (clamboy @ Feb. 12 2009,16:43) Louis, you have been far too gracious, but that is a fault to celebrate. Also, you have been educating - your chemistry posts are always enlightening, thank you. [SNIP] Cheers Clamboy, it's always nice to be appreciated. I'm always gracious until I don't have to be! I wish I had time to do properly educational posts on chemistry, but I don't. Usually when someone (like Denial, FTK etc) ignorantly whines about evolutionary biology they pick a topic which isn't my speciality. I know the general stuff and a few things in detail, but they very rarely get worried about chemistry. If they do, as with RFJE, they get stuck at a very very basic level. I've yet to find anyone (not a precommitted YEC or the like) who knows anything useful about chemistry and gets their knickers in a knot about abiogenesis. It's a seriously thorny problem to be sure, but it's hardly completely insoluble. Louis -------------- Bye.

Bing Posts: 144 Joined: Mar. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,12:05    Quote (Nerull @ Feb. 12 2009,09:54) Never seen a preacher heal someone who couldn't walk.I *have* seem them put people in wheelchairs and pretend to heal them. For the more honest ones, the person may actually have a disability, they just use a wheelchair for convenience, but they are capable of walking. I know people like this.The more dishonest ones use actors or have people sit in them who never use wheelchairs.People who can't really stand are ignored and not allowed into the 'healing' area.Go talk to these people sometime, instead of just relying on what the preacher tells you. They generally are not so enthusiastic about it afterward, since they know they've been played. I'm sure everybody remembers when The Reverend Brother Doctor Doctor Dembski took his wife and autistic son to the Faith Healer and even he was ignored?

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,12:31    Well, I feel for Dr Dr. It's actually such a rarity that it should be mentioned. His son's condition is not easy to bear, and he's trying to deal with it anyway he can. On this matter, he has some of my sympathy. But then at the end of the article, comes this: Quote we talked in hushed tones about how easily religion can be abused, in this case to exploit our family. What do we tell our children? I’m still working on that one. Now I kinda feel like the hospital is mocking charity... -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,12:54    Quote What do we tell our children? I’m still working on that one. When I got exam questions like that I always thought there must be a trick. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Dr.GH Posts: 2333 Joined: May 2002 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,13:13    Quote (Schroedinger's Dog @ Feb. 12 2009,00:05) Wes: I wanted to use a portion of that quote as my signature when I created my account, but no matter how I cut it, I couldn't come out with anything satisfactory that would fit in the characters limitation. Augustine of Hippo was a great thinker! Aquinas wrote on science and the Bible; "In discussing questions of this kind two rules are to be observed, as Augustine teaches.  The first is, to hold to the truth of Scripture without wavering. The second is that since Holy Scripture can be explained in a multiplicity of senses, one should adhere to a particular explanation only in such measure as to be ready to abandon it if it be proved with certainty to be false, lest Holy Scripture be exposed to the ridicule of unbelievers, and obstacles be placed to their believing." - Thomas Aquinas, c.a. 1225 - 1274, Summa Theological (1273). Closer to siggy length. -------------- "Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy." L. Susskind, 2004 "SMOLIN VS. SUSSKIND: THE ANTHROPIC PRINCIPLE"

Schroedinger's Dog Posts: 1692 Joined: Jan. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,13:38    Thanks Doc, but still too long for a sig, and I prefer Augustin's phrasing  :D -------------- "Hail is made out of water? Are you really that stupid?" Joe G "I have a better suggestion, Kris. How about a game of hide and go fuck yourself instead." Louis "The reason people use a crucifix against vampires is that vampires are allergic to bullshit" Richard Pryor

Doc Bill Posts: 1039 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 12 2009,13:46    Oh, can I join the Louis Fan Club, too? Do I get a poster?  Decoder ring?  Secret handshake?  Discount on lime Jell-O? Is there a degrading and humiliating initiation?  (hope, hope!) OK, I'm bored.

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