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fnxtr



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2010,13:22   

Quote (dogdidit @ Aug. 07 2010,08:33)
 
Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 07 2010,06:51)
An interesting view of effective contribution, per capita.

I'm wondering if france gets relatively better marks because of it's use of nukes.


Per capita responsibility is fine, but using a map colored this way creates the impression that (for example) 20 million Aussies are responsible for as much CO2 as 300 million Americans. Perhaps the map should display emissions per square kilometer? Or do away with the map and bar-chart the results, stacked in magnitude order?

You're assumptions are correct about the French nukes, from which they derive an overwhelming proportion of their electrical power. They generate enough to export.

Ouch! Really?

Okay, well... we're sparse on the ground, relatively wealthy, and cold. That's my excuse.

Edit: redundant and needless repetition.

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midwifetoad



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2010,13:47   

I think per capita is fair and reasonable, considering we are talking about human caused emissions.

It's a bit scary to think how India and China will look if they continue to industrialize, without going for better technology.

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MichaelJ



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 07 2010,19:33   

One problem is that we Australians rip out coal to sell to Chinese to burn to make power to make goods to sell to the US. Where does the CO2 get booked on this map?

  
dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2010,09:26   

Quote (fnxtr @ Aug. 07 2010,13:22)
Okay, well... we're sparse on the ground, relatively wealthy, and cold. That's my excuse.

(hums "Blame Canada! Blame Canada!...")

And blame the Guyanese, too. What are they up to down there?! Meth labs? Do Americans meth consumers take the responsibility for the CO2 emitted by Guyanese meth labs? What ever happened to good old American meth? *sigh* More jobs out-sourced and off-shored...

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 09 2010,09:34   

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 07 2010,13:47)
I think per capita is fair and reasonable, considering we are talking about human caused emissions.

I agree. I just find the correlation to terretorial area troubling. Not as troubling, mind you, as AGW denialism, so maybe let's not argue over technicalities.

Quote (midwifetoad @ Aug. 07 2010,13:47)
It's a bit scary to think how India and China will look if they continue to industrialize, without going for better technology.

If they are copying us, they are screwed and so are we.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,07:38   



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JOHN_A_DESIGNER: Start with the word “blue”. Is it possible that “blue” could evolve into “pink” using the following rules?

(1) Only single letter (a)substitutions or (b)additions/deletions are allowed for each step. (2) Each transitional word must be a meaningful word in English.

Don't forget that we are dealing with populations, including recombination.

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JOHN_A_DESIGNER: It turns out that it can. We can do so in nine steps.

blue> glue> glut > gout > pout> port> part> pant> pint> pink.

Good work!

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JOHN_A_DESIGNER: This illustrates to me the way natural selection is used by committed Darwinists to explain virtually all evolutionary change.

The question isn't whether "blue" can evolve into "yellow," but whether they have a common ancestor. Nor is a specific, arbitrary goal of your choosing the goal of evolution. If "qqqqq" were inserted into the dictionary, Word Evolution would never find it, because there is no available precursor. Many such sequences can never be found by an evolutionary process. But "blue" will evolve into all sorts of other words by this process; ashamed, slackers, skewering, spluttered,

oh, and "yellow."

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blue, glue, glut, gout, got, go, o, i

o
ow

i
hi
hid
had
head
held
hell
yell

yell-ow

This must be why Zachriel was silently banned from Telic Thoughts.

Xposted to Telic Thoughts, but never showed.

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Quack



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,13:19   

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This must be why Zachriel was silently banned from Telic Thoughts.


Well deserved too.

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,15:54   

Olegt presses the analogy,

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olegt: Let's continue with the analogy. You've tried all combinations that came to mind and failed to get from blue to yellow. You've waited for a day for others to come up with a solution, and no one did. So you declare, on the basis of this failure, that yellow cannot evolve from blue. That's what IDers do, in a nutshell.

  and comes up with an elegant solution.

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olegt: In a few days, someone comes up with this sequence:

blue > flue > flee > floe > flow > glow > aglow > allow > fallow > fellow > yellow.

So the evolution turns out to be possible and, in hindsight, no more difficult than your own example, blue to pink. Your previous conclusion on the impossibility of evolution from blue to yellow was wrong. Likewise, the ID crowd potentially undermines the credibility of their own religion by insisting that science will never fill particular gaps. You never know.


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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:04   

And all of a sudden at Telic Tards, analogy beocmes a bad thing...

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:16   

Bonus problem:

Show that Gaps evolve into FAIL.

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:26   

Quote (olegt @ Aug. 12 2010,16:16)
Bonus problem:

Show that Gaps evolve into FAIL.

GAPS > gape > gale > gall > pall > pail > FAIL ...
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... > bail > ball > bald > bard > TARD!

Thus proving that TARD evolved from the GAPS.

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:26   

Quote (olegt @ Aug. 12 2010,16:16)
Bonus problem:

Show that Gaps evolve into FAIL.

gaps
gars
garb
gard
gaud
gaun
gain
rain
rail
fail

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:27   

2 solutions, no common ancestors apart from the seed...

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:35   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2010,16:27)
2 solutions, no common ancestors apart from the seed...

But then: convergent evolution, something about nested hierarchies, link to the ISSS website, blind and undirected chemical processes, baraminology...therefore ID.
</ID JOE>

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olegt



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:40   

Quote (dogdidit @ Aug. 12 2010,16:35)
Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 12 2010,16:27)
2 solutions, no common ancestors apart from the seed...

But then: convergent evolution, something about nested hierarchies, link to the ISSS website, blind and undirected chemical processes, baraminology...therefore ID.
</ID JOE>

Add set theory to the list.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:47   

He's already upset with you at TT.

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:48   

ID guy:
 
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Nice job olegt.

You have proven that "evolution" just pulls shit out of the air in order to be attractive.

air > hair > chair > char > car > care > hare > hire > shire > shirt > shit

Yup. Hey, this is fun!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:50   

Quote (olegt @ Aug. 12 2010,16:40)
Add set theory to the list.

Empty set meets empty head.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 12 2010,16:52   

Quote (dogdidit @ Aug. 12 2010,16:48)
ID guy:
   
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Nice job olegt.

You have proven that "evolution" just pulls shit out of the air in order to be attractive.

air > hair > chair > char > car > care > hare > hire > shire > shirt > shit

Yup. Hey, this is fun!

POTW!

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Zachriel



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,15:02   

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Bilbo: Who Got Banned and Why?

Who banned Zachriel and Why?

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,15:15   

I'd like to know why criticizing St. Bill O'Reilly was grounds for mt banination.

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,15:21   

Along those lines:
 
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Bilbo says:
Oleg(t),

So you're the last resident critic at TT. Can I get you a cup of coffee? The New York Times? A neck massage? I don't know how long it will be before you get banned, too. But I figure you deserve special treatment for lasting this long. And thank you. You're the only thing stopping TT from being a complete echo chamber.

olegt, you have the power. Use it wisely.

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,15:22   

Actually, Rich, it was Glenn Beck you dissed.

:wags finger:

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,15:25   

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Actually, Rich, it was Glenn Beck you dissed.

:wags finger:

Well, that's understandable then. I would have banned me also. He is 'the voice of reason'.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,15:39   

Someone should invite Bilbo here if he wants to chat.

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,15:40   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 16 2010,15:25)
     
Quote (dogdidit @ Aug. 16 2010,15:22)
Actually, Rich, it was Glenn Beck you dissed.

:wags finger:

Well, that's understandable then. I would have banned me also. He is 'the voice of reason'.

Voices, he hears them. The difference between Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck is the difference between selling the Kool-aid and drinking it.

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dogdidit



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,15:41   

Quote (Richardthughes @ Aug. 16 2010,15:39)
Someone should invite Bilbo here if he wants to chat.

Maybe olegt will. I could read the NYTimes while oleg is getting that neck massage.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,16:03   

Quote (dogdidit @ Aug. 16 2010,15:21)
Along those lines:
 
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Bilbo says:
Oleg(t),

So you're the last resident critic at TT. Can I get you a cup of coffee? The New York Times? A neck massage? I don't know how long it will be before you get banned, too. But I figure you deserve special treatment for lasting this long. And thank you. You're the only thing stopping TT from being a complete echo chamber.

olegt, you have the power. Use it wisely.

Bilbo! That's a big clue!!

Without "evolutionists," ID has nothing to talk about. While Darwin's publication of Origin of Species set off a revolution in biology that is still on-going, ID is vacuous, meaningless, voiceless.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,16:26   

Now that almost all critics have been banned from TT they can get on with the job of progressing ID.

I expect a flurry of experimental work culminating in a series of papers.

Oh, what's that? Yes, time for the pills....

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Richardthughes



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 16 2010,16:28   

Quote (oldmanintheskydidntdoit @ Aug. 16 2010,16:26)
Now that almost all critics have been banned from TT they can get on with the job of progressing ID.

I expect a flurry of experimental work culminating in a series of papers.

Oh, what's that? Yes, time for the pills....

The problem with asserting that "evolution can't explain" is that these pesky evolutionists *do* come along and explain. But that's easily fixed, in the name of academic freedom.

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