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raguel Posts: 107 Joined: Feb. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2008,12:17    Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 14 2008,16:39) OTOH, you Darwinists and your simplistic examples of evolution teach us nothing.  Everyone knows how evolution works, but you've gotta get past the 8th grade explanations about microevolution.   I swear, at every lecture I've attended, Darwinists have talked about mice, moths, ice fish, finches....good grief, what the heck does that tell us?  We already know that microevolution is fact.  We're looking for the meaty stuff.  You know, the *facts* about *macro*evolution and the empirical evidence backing up those facts. That's because,outside of paleobiogeography, morphology, genetics,evo-devo, and ERVs, and the consilience of evidence thereof, evolutionists got nothin'.

Nerull Posts: 317 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 15 2008,12:35    Luskin is incompetent as a lawyer - every time he opens his mouth on law he makes a fool of himself. Even the Discovery Institute has to backtrack and say he was wrong. Which would be why they don't allow him to work as a lawyer in any official capacity. He's an idiot, and they know it. Now why on earth would you trust anything he says about biology, a subject he knows even less about? -------------- To rebut creationism you pretty much have to be a biologist, chemist, geologist, philosopher, lawyer and historian all rolled into one. While to advocate creationism, you just have to be an idiot. -- tommorris

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2008,22:29    Another gem from ERV Creationist almost discovers promoters/enhancers -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Ftk Posts: 2239 Joined: Mar. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2008,22:38    Quote (afarensis @ Sep. 26 2008,22:29) Another gem from ERV Creationist almost discovers promoters/enhancers Here's one more up your alley, Dood.   Quote The latest retroactive confessions of evolutionist ignorance comes on the heels of a published re-analysis of the bones of Panderichthys. The study used CT scans to show Panderichthys apparently had a few well-defined radial bones in its pectoral fins. (Radial bones are found only in fish fins, but evolutionary paleontologists contend that radial bones are homologous to digits in tetrapod limbs.) When commenting on this new find, the paper’s lead author, Catherine A. Boisvert, boasted in an interview with The Scientist that "it is now completely proven that fingers have evolved from distal radials already present in fish that gave rise to the tetrapod." Boisvert also praised her findings, stating: "The disposition of distal radials in Panderichthys are much more tetrapod-like than in Tiktaalik." Confident that her fossil showed evolution better than Tiktaalik, Boisvert and other Darwinists then proceeded to admit striking criticisms of Tiktaalik. The interview with Boisvert at The Scientist states, "Previous data from another ancient fish called Tiktaalik showed distal radials as well -- although the quality of that specimen was poor. And the orientation of the radials did not seem to match the way modern fingers and toes radiate from a joint, parallel to each other." (emphasis added) The "quality" of Tiktaalik as a fossil specimen was “poor”? When did we see Darwinists admit this previously? Never. They wouldn't dare make such admissions until they thought they had something better. Moreover, now that we have Panderichthys, Darwinists are openly admitting that the orientation of Tiktaalik's radials do "not seem to match the way modern fingers and toes radiate from a joint." That's a good point, but it's old news for readers of ENV: in August, I observed that Tiktaalik’s radial bones could not be likened to tetrapod digits unless you "[d]ramatically repattern, reposition, and transform the existing radials by lining them up, separating them out." Maybe that's why they don't seem to show the *exact* Tik fossil bone representing the "wrist" at Shubin's website...."the quality of the speciman is poor".   But, what about those hiccups, huh?  I'm sure he got that idea right. -------------- "Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths"  -forastero

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 26 2008,23:09    Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 26 2008,22:38) Quote (afarensis @ Sep. 26 2008,22:29) Another gem from ERV Creationist almost discovers promoters/enhancers Here's one more up your alley, Dood.     Quote The latest retroactive confessions of evolutionist ignorance comes on the heels of a published re-analysis of the bones of Panderichthys. The study used CT scans to show Panderichthys apparently had a few well-defined radial bones in its pectoral fins. (Radial bones are found only in fish fins, but evolutionary paleontologists contend that radial bones are homologous to digits in tetrapod limbs.) When commenting on this new find, the paper’s lead author, Catherine A. Boisvert, boasted in an interview with The Scientist that "it is now completely proven that fingers have evolved from distal radials already present in fish that gave rise to the tetrapod." Boisvert also praised her findings, stating: "The disposition of distal radials in Panderichthys are much more tetrapod-like than in Tiktaalik." Confident that her fossil showed evolution better than Tiktaalik, Boisvert and other Darwinists then proceeded to admit striking criticisms of Tiktaalik. The interview with Boisvert at The Scientist states, "Previous data from another ancient fish called Tiktaalik showed distal radials as well -- although the quality of that specimen was poor. And the orientation of the radials did not seem to match the way modern fingers and toes radiate from a joint, parallel to each other." (emphasis added) The "quality" of Tiktaalik as a fossil specimen was “poor”? When did we see Darwinists admit this previously? Never. They wouldn't dare make such admissions until they thought they had something better. Moreover, now that we have Panderichthys, Darwinists are openly admitting that the orientation of Tiktaalik's radials do "not seem to match the way modern fingers and toes radiate from a joint." That's a good point, but it's old news for readers of ENV: in August, I observed that Tiktaalik’s radial bones could not be likened to tetrapod digits unless you "[d]ramatically repattern, reposition, and transform the existing radials by lining them up, separating them out." Maybe that's why they don't seem to show the *exact* Tik fossil bone representing the "wrist" at Shubin's website...."the quality of the speciman is poor".   But, what about those hiccups, huh?  I'm sure he got that idea right. :p Careful FTK, I have the  Panderichthys paper and will be doing a post on it and Luskin's views. I have to do one on the same paper and Luskin post ERV talked about first. Suffice to say, Luskin should really refrain from talking about sciences he knows nothing about. Edit: fixed a typo. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,08:28    Quote (afarensis @ Sep. 27 2008,00:09) Suffice to say, Luskin should really refrain from talking about sciences he knows nothing about. redundant. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,08:32    Quote Suffice to say, Luskin should really refrain from talking. There, I fixed it... -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

dnmlthr Posts: 565 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,08:33    Quote (afarensis @ Sep. 27 2008,14:32) Quote Suffice to say, Luskin should really refrain from talking. There, I fixed it... I disagree. With friends like Luskin, who needs enemies? -------------- Guess what? I don't give a flying f*ck how "science works" - Ftk

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,08:40    Good point. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,12:48    I'm surprised that Luskin has any time at ALL, what with doing the usual Bible Reading and then getting ready for the new "Dover Trap Dance" scheduled to kick off soon in SC... And as a Special Bonus - A Lenny Flank Sighting in teh comments. Darksyde Post -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 27 2008,21:40    Quote Maybe that's why they don't seem to show the *exact* Tik fossil bone representing the "wrist" at Shubin's website...."the quality of the speciman is poor".   Say, uh, FTK, here is a crazy idea, totally insane in point of fact, but well, let me run it past you and you tell me what you think. Bear with me, I know you will flip your wig and all, but please, keep an open mind. This picture of the wrist you and Luskin are looking for, don't close yourself off to the radicalness of this idea - stick with me now, perhaps you could: Oh, I don't know, check the supplementary material, which is freeking freely available for download! Strange, crazy, radical, I know, creationist actually doing research and finding something on their own. Too off the wall to even contemplate...   -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 29 2008,20:34    My take on Luskin's latest Junk DNA argument. Edit to add: I'm working on a response to his latest Panderichthys silliness but that may take a while since I have a ton of stuff on the fish/amphibian transition - especially as it relates to the limbs and I haven't made up my mind on how much or how little to include. Don't want to loose sight of the forest for the trees and all... -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Sep. 30 2008,08:38    Quote (afarensis @ Sep. 29 2008,20:34) My take on Luskin's latest Junk DNA argument. Edit to add: I'm working on a response to his latest Panderichthys silliness but that may take a while since I have a ton of stuff on the fish/amphibian transition - especially as it relates to the limbs and I haven't made up my mind on how much or how little to include. Don't want to loose sight of the forest for the trees and all... Bonus Points for you, if you can affix DaveScot's face to a visual of it! -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,00:48    UD is nothing but politics. In desperation I go to Evolution News and Views. Agh! Casey hasn't written anything in nearly a week. I'm starting to get tard withdrawal!

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,07:45    Quote (stevestory @ Oct. 14 2008,00:48) UD is nothing but politics. In desperation I go to Evolution News and Views. Agh! Casey hasn't written anything in nearly a week. I'm starting to get tard withdrawal! Based on Casey's past performance,he must be helping to work on the McCain Economic Plan, or the Palin Ethics Panel... -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Quack Posts: 1961 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Oct. 14 2008,11:12    Quote (raguel @ Sep. 15 2008,12:17)   Quote (Ftk @ Sep. 14 2008,16:39) OTOH, you Darwinists and your simplistic examples of evolution teach us nothing.  Everyone knows how evolution works, but you've gotta get past the 8th grade explanations about microevolution.   I swear, at every lecture I've attended, Darwinists have talked about mice, moths, ice fish, finches....good grief, what the heck does that tell us?  We already know that microevolution is fact.  We're looking for the meaty stuff.  You know, the *facts* about *macro*evolution and the empirical evidence backing up those facts. That's because,outside of paleobiogeography, morphology, genetics,evo-devo, and ERVs, and the consilience of evidence thereof, evolutionists got nothin'. What is this micro vs. macro thing some people are complaining about? If you slice the path of your car going from LA to Chigago thin enough, you will find that it moves only a millimeter or even less at a time. but nevertheless, in due time you will get to Chicago anyway! That is quite some macro movement - executed in micro steps, just as we find in evolution... -------------- Rocks have no biology.               Robert Byers.

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2008,12:18    Luskin did not post anything on ENV last month, so I was getting worried about him.  I'm happy to report that Casey has been accounted for.  He's been fighting little green men at a local library. Quote Recently I went to a public library to do some work, and I saw a book featured on top of a reference desk titled Life on Other Planets (by Rhonda Lucas Donald, Watts Library, 2003). The title page featured little green men with big alien bug-eyes, the kind of picture you might see on some nutty UFO website. The book and its display were clearly aimed at students — perhaps junior high or high school-aged. Fun and silly pictures don’t bother me if they get kids interested in reading about science. The problem here was that when I opened the book, what I found was not science, but science-fiction. I am not making it up. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2008,15:14    Quote (olegt @ Dec. 02 2008,12:18) Luskin did not post anything on ENV last month, so I was getting worried about him.  I'm happy to report that Casey has been accounted for.  He's been fighting little green men at a local library.   Quote Recently I went to a public library to do some work, and I saw a book featured on top of a reference desk titled Life on Other Planets (by Rhonda Lucas Donald, Watts Library, 2003). The title page featured little green men with big alien bug-eyes, the kind of picture you might see on some nutty UFO website. The book and its display were clearly aimed at students — perhaps junior high or high school-aged. Fun and silly pictures don’t bother me if they get kids interested in reading about science. The problem here was that when I opened the book, what I found was not science, but science-fiction. I am not making it up. Epic Fail Again For Casey What an idiot! Casey finishes up his screed with what for him is a blistering comment, and to all normal people is a whiny little chirp...about how the book should be filed as fiction in the 800s. Well, Casey, you Ignoramus, the Dewey Decimal system does not classify fiction as "800".  Fiction is not affected by the Dewey System, fiction is alphabetized by author's last name. The "800s" for Dewey is Literature. - see the link Casey Fails Again Maybe he can come here again and apologize for insulting librarians and libraries all over the country. You know, I seem to recall stories about the Library Of Alexandria being burned by Christians, so maybe Casey is just living up to his traditions. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2008,17:33    The funniest thing is this: Casey thinks that the book is "aimed at students — perhaps junior high or high school-aged."  The publisher recommends it for ages 9-12. Life on Other Planets on amazon.com. -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2008,18:02    Quote (Quack @ Oct. 14 2008,12:12) If you slice the path of your car going from LA to Chigago thin enough, you will find that it moves only a millimeter or even less at a time. but nevertheless, in due time you will get to Chicago anyway! That is quite some macro movement - executed in micro steps, just as we find in evolution... [Behe] No it didn't. It appeared in Chicago by Magic Poof Theory. If you would like to dispute that, you Conservation of Mass zealot, please provide me with evidence giving , for every single minute, the car's position, the car's speed, the wind speed, how much gas was in the tank, and what was on the radio. Only then will I be satisfied with your dogmatically materialistic explanation. [/Behe] Speaking of Casey i emailed EN&V and asked them how much traffic their site gets. No reply.

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2008,18:31    Quote (stevestory @ Dec. 02 2008,18:02) Quote (Quack @ Oct. 14 2008,12:12) If you slice the path of your car going from LA to Chigago thin enough, you will find that it moves only a millimeter or even less at a time. but nevertheless, in due time you will get to Chicago anyway! That is quite some macro movement - executed in micro steps, just as we find in evolution... [Behe] No it didn't. It appeared in Chicago by Magic Poof Theory. If you would like to dispute that, you Conservation of Mass zealot, please provide me with evidence giving , for every single minute, the car's position, the car's speed, the wind speed, how much gas was in the tank, and what was on the radio. Only then will I be satisfied with your dogmatically materialistic explanation. [/Behe] Speaking of Casey i emailed EN&V and asked them how much traffic their site gets. No reply. If you can email casey, ask him why he hates libraries and learning so much. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

lkeithlu Posts: 321 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2008,19:55    Quote (olegt @ Dec. 02 2008,17:33) The funniest thing is this: Casey thinks that the book is "aimed at students — perhaps junior high or high school-aged."  The publisher recommends it for ages 9-12. Life on Other Planets on amazon.com. Well, there's the problem. Casey is too young to be in the Adult section. A good librarian would have provided better guidance. No wonder he was having difficulty-that book was WAY too advanced* for him. *credit to MiB

ERV Posts: 329 Joined: Sep. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2008,20:22    Quote (olegt @ Dec. 02 2008,17:33) The funniest thing is this: Casey thinks that the book is "aimed at students — perhaps junior high or high school-aged."  The publisher recommends it for ages 9-12. Life on Other Planets on amazon.com. I loled at that.  Thanks oleg!

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2008,21:37    Quote The funniest thing is this: Casey thinks that the book is "aimed at students ? perhaps junior high or high school-aged."  The publisher recommends it for ages 9-12. There is a one year overlap there - what more do ya want? Henry

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2008,22:46    Quote (J-Dog @ Dec. 02 2008,15:14)     Quote (olegt @ Dec. 02 2008,12:18) Luskin did not post anything on ENV last month, so I was getting worried about him.  I'm happy to report that Casey has been accounted for.  He's been fighting little green men at a local library.         Quote Recently I went to a public library to do some work, and I saw a book featured on top of a reference desk titled Life on Other Planets (by Rhonda Lucas Donald, Watts Library, 2003). The title page featured little green men with big alien bug-eyes, the kind of picture you might see on some nutty UFO website. The book and its display were clearly aimed at students — perhaps junior high or high school-aged. Fun and silly pictures don’t bother me if they get kids interested in reading about science. The problem here was that when I opened the book, what I found was not science, but science-fiction. I am not making it up. Epic Fail Again For Casey What an idiot! Casey finishes up his screed with what for him is a blistering comment, and to all normal people is a whiny little chirp...about how the book should be filed as fiction in the 800s. Well, Casey, you Ignoramus, the Dewey Decimal system does not classify fiction as "800".  Fiction is not affected by the Dewey System, fiction is alphabetized by author's last name. The "800s" for Dewey is Literature. - see the link Casey Fails Again Maybe he can come here again and apologize for insulting librarians and libraries all over the country. You know, I seem to recall stories about the Library Of Alexandria being burned by Christians, so maybe Casey is just living up to his traditions. Sorry to correct you J-Dog, but fiction is classified under Dewey - it's just that most libraries create a separate fiction section for various reasons, including ease of use and space (the 800s can get awfully long). Of course, Casey is an idiot for wanting to shelve it in "childrens literature" if he's upset that it's aimed for kids. Disco Decimal System? -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 02 2008,23:41    Quote (olegt @ Dec. 02 2008,17:33) The funniest thing is this: Casey thinks that the book is "aimed at students — perhaps junior high or high school-aged."  The publisher recommends it for ages 9-12. Casey was a late bloomer. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2008,02:07    Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 02 2008,22:46) Of course, Casey is an idiot for wanting to shelve it in "childrens literature" if he's upset that it's aimed for kids. Well, that is the thing, isn't it?  His real issue is that they are working what he thought was his side of the street.  And even though ID doesn't speculate to the identity of Teh Designer and is open to the possibility that he/she/it may be a space alien ( wink! wink!), Casey doesn't want anything out there that might actually lead someone to the conclusion that it is.  That will not do. No sir, that will not do at all. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2008,07:29    Quote (keiths @ Dec. 03 2008,07:41) Quote (olegt @ Dec. 02 2008,17:33) The funniest thing is this: Casey thinks that the book is "aimed at students — perhaps junior high or high school-aged."  The publisher recommends it for ages 9-12. Casey was a late bloomer. Yeah a late bloomer that grew hair all over his body  at 8 years old. When all his mothers friends offered to take him under the bleachers he weaseled his way out. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 03 2008,08:10    Quote (Kristine @ Dec. 02 2008,22:46) Sorry to correct you J-Dog, but fiction is classified under Dewey - it's just that most libraries create a separate fiction section for various reasons, including ease of use and space (the 800s can get awfully long). Of course, Casey is an idiot for wanting to shelve it in "childrens literature" if he's upset that it's aimed for kids. Disco Decimal System? NOES!!!!!! Do you think I have to actually apologize to Casey????? Dear Lacey Buskin, I am sorry that I thought you were wrong once and that I thought you were a doo-doo head. However, I currently hold the view that you are a lying disingenuous sack of shit, and for this I offer no apologies, only proof. Sincerely, J-Dog -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Dec. 22 2008,20:42    Awww, Casey's dream is dead. I'm sure there is a lolcat out there somewhere that is appropriate for the occasion. -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

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