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Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,13:17    Plus la change, plus la meme chose. I haven't been keeping up, so just wondering - aside from a whine about Avalos, it looks like Dembski's been pretty quiet since his "Dawkins ain't got no publications" fiasco. He came pretty close to an admission of bias against the guy - did he issue any apology? Just wondering, considering all his Christ-talk and all...70 times 7 and all that...  ;) -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Alan Fox Posts: 1556 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,14:22    Quote Plus la change, plus la meme chose. [nitpick]Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.[/nitpick]

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,14:26    Quote (GCT @ June 01 2007,11:26) Quote (JohnW @ May 30 2007,13:39) bornagain77 gives us the hard stuff: pure, triple-distilled, illegal-in-27-states hardcore tard:     Quote The truth is that children have a much higher incidence of positive afterlife experiences than s do (+90% to -20%). So it would seem children are much closer to the truth than we are. Since after life experiences are indeed validated as authentic experiences by Van Lommel and a number of other studies, the question now becomes, Why do children have a much higher incidence of positive after-life experiences when temporarily deceased than s do? I think the answer is fairly straight forward. I believe that they have not been corrupted by many of the materialistic lies saying that this world is all there is. Another interesting fact is that other drastically different cultures,Hindu, Chinese,Japanese etc etc.. have a majority of afterlife experinces that are negative when compared to our Judeo-Christian society. This is truly a very facinating phenomena. I’ve got a short study that I’ve done on this and will send it to anyone via request. bornagain7777@hotmail.com P.S. It is in Pdf. format Pdf format = Pulled from arsehole, presumably. [emphasis in bornagain's original quote mine, other emphasis by JohnW] Well, I went ahead and asked for it and received it.  Is anyone interested in seeing it?  I haven't read it yet (haven't had the time and won't until later today or tomorrow). That sounds like it's going to be way over the lethal dose of tard.  To prevent harm to others, I think you ought to quarantine yourself for a while.  You could ask us again in a couple of months, if your central nervous system is still functioning. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

J-Dog Posts: 4402 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,14:30    Quote (GCT @ June 01 2007,11:26) Quote (JohnW @ May 30 2007,13:39) bornagain77 gives us the hard stuff: pure, triple-distilled, illegal-in-27-states hardcore tard:     Quote The truth is that children have a much higher incidence of positive afterlife experiences than s do (+90% to -20%). So it would seem children are much closer to the truth than we are. Since after life experiences are indeed validated as authentic experiences by Van Lommel and a number of other studies, the question now becomes, Why do children have a much higher incidence of positive after-life experiences when temporarily deceased than s do? I think the answer is fairly straight forward. I believe that they have not been corrupted by many of the materialistic lies saying that this world is all there is. Another interesting fact is that other drastically different cultures,Hindu, Chinese,Japanese etc etc.. have a majority of afterlife experinces that are negative when compared to our Judeo-Christian society. This is truly a very facinating phenomena. I’ve got a short study that I’ve done on this and will send it to anyone via request. bornagain7777@hotmail.com P.S. It is in Pdf. format Pdf format = Pulled from arsehole, presumably. [emphasis in bornagain's original quote mine, other emphasis by JohnW] Well, I went ahead and asked for it and received it.  Is anyone interested in seeing it?  I haven't read it yet (haven't had the time and won't until later today or tomorrow). Yeah - I say post it... It promises to be Tardariffic, but I won't read it till next week, unless my kid's baseball games get rained out. -------------- Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10 Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08 UD is an Unnatural Douchemagnet. - richardthughes 7/11

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,14:31    Quote (Alan Fox @ June 01 2007,14:22) Quote Plus la change, plus la meme chose. [nitpick]Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.[/nitpick] Only Darwinist homoes know how to spell Frinch correctly. You homoe. -dt -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,14:34    Conspirator talks about John Derbyshire talking about Sam Brownback talking about evolution. I was curious (since Derb is the tough guy who said that the British marines captured by Iran should have been much more Kamikaze and much more manly like Derb would have been and that the kids at Va Tech should have rushed the guy standing in the doorway with two pistols blazing) to see what old Derb had to say. I can't say that I have ever read NRO, and now that I have, I have to say that these people are definitely living in some sort of alternate reality. For example: Jonah Goldberg, yes that one. (What a joke of a writer.) posts this:     Quote More proof of the existence of God, from a reader:    Circumcision:  No man would ever think about having it done, and no man would ever accede to the demand of a woman that it be done.  Therefore, the order to do so came neither from man nor from woman, but from God.   Yeah, that's the ticket. I guess female genital mutilation is also ordered by God, along with putting that big clay plate into a hole in your bottom lip. mm hmm. and others post things like http://corner.nationalreview.com/post....jA2ODU=     Quote Re: Cousin Marriage   [Stanley Kurtz] Jonah, there is a greater likelihood of birth defects in cases of cousin marriage. That is an argument against the practice, but it may not be a decisive one, because the effect is not massive. But I will give Derb some credit for this:     Quote Here is Sam Brownback talking about evolutionary biology. That's a bit like saying: "Here's Paris Hilton talking about partial differential equations" bornagain disagrees: Quote It is good to see that Sam Brownback has a good grasp of the situation. -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,14:47    Quote (Alan Fox @ June 01 2007,13:22)   Quote Plus la change, plus la meme chose. [nitpick]Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.[/nitpick] Ah, an educational moment! *Kristine seizes the opportunity to show the Dembster how it is done!* I'M SORRY, ALAN!!!! Now see that didn't kill me Bill. Now it's your turn. -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,14:59    Quote (J-Dog @ June 01 2007,11:24) They guy is TOTALLY loonie!  the biplanes are not made up and I attach proof for all you haters out there: Plus, it's even in the bible!  Didn't the First IDer even say something about a rich man and a Camel in one of his whiney lectures? I'll give you a Sopwith Camel of science versus ID's multi-winged monstrosity any day.  I'm thinking of that one which had about 8 wings and crashed when they tried to take off. (I suppose I'm a geek as well.  I looked closely at the picture and identified it as a Camel long before I checked the url and found it was one.  My excuse is Biggles books, what's yours?)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,15:05    Quote (guthrie @ June 01 2007,14:59) (I suppose I'm a geek as well.  I looked closely at the picture and identified it as a Camel long before I checked the url and found it was one.  My excuse is Biggles books, what's yours?) You mean this guy? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

phonon Posts: 396 Joined: Nov. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,15:15    I mean, 10-15 years after the invention of the airplane, you'd think they'd start rushing around naming all the planes with the coolest, fiercest, fastest, most powerful names they could come up with and would use up most of the really impressive names for planes, but... The Camel?   -------------- With most men, unbelief in one thing springs from blind belief in another. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg To do just the opposite is also a form of imitation. - Georg Christoph Lichtenberg

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,15:32    Ahhh, clearly you were deprived as a child.  This particular species of camel got its name from its hump. Which housed the twin machine guns.   It could also be rather tricky to handle.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,15:58    Quote (guthrie @ June 01 2007,15:32) Ahhh, clearly you were deprived as a child.  This particular species of camel got its name from its hump. Which housed the twin machine guns.   It could also be rather tricky to handle. I have a camel with three humps. He's called... ........ "no she went of her own accord!" -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

guthrie Posts: 696 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,17:05    Your camel was not called Alice? I thought all camels with many humps were called Alice.

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,17:27    Quote (Richardthughes @ June 01 2007,15:58) I have a camel with three humps. HAR HAR HAR. THIS IS YOU: -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Arden Chatfield Posts: 6657 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,17:29    Quote (carlsonjok @ June 01 2007,17:27) Quote (Richardthughes @ June 01 2007,15:58) I have a camel with three humps. HAR HAR HAR. THIS IS YOU: Who is that holding Richard's ears? -------------- "Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,18:07    Quote (phonon @ June 01 2007,15:15) I mean, 10-15 years after the invention of the airplane, you'd think they'd start rushing around naming all the planes with the coolest, fiercest, fastest, most powerful names they could come up with and would use up most of the really impressive names for planes, but... The Camel?  ??? :) Hmmm, I can't think offhand of any aircraft manufacturer of the time other than Sopwith whose aircraft actually bore NAMES.  The Camel, the Pup, the Snipe, the Dolphin, the Salamander . . . No Fokker anything.  No Airco.  No Bristol.  No Pfaltz.  No SPAD.  E-III, DH-2, SE5a, Dr-1, D-VII . . . .  just boring letters and numbers. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

C.J.O'Brien Posts: 395 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,18:13    Hoo boy. bornagain77 says "theism" predicted the big bang. Here's his um... "evidence." Quote Job 38:4-11 “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched a line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Or who shut in the sea with doors, when it burst forth and issued from the womb; When I made the clouds its garment, and thick darkness its swaddling band; When I fixed my limit for it, and set bars and doors; When I said, ‘This far you may come but no farther, and here your proud waves must stop!’ Yeah, Job. Were you there? ...and then he gets huffy: Quote For you to deny Job 38:4-11, which was written 1000’s of years ago, has any connection whatsoever to details of Big Bang Cosmology, that were revealed just last year, is just plain hard headedness on your part. If you can’t see the stunning similarity between recent scientific observations and these scriptures there is no point in me debating any of the other points with you for you are beyond my feeble powers of persuasion. Excuse me if I sound rude but, I truly don’t understand how anyone like you can be so blind in their mind. Though the scripture is indeed ancient, it truly reads like a daily newspaper account of very recent observations. I’ve debated several people like you and it truly is like talking to a brick wall for me. I’m sorry if this offends you but I can think of no other way to put the way I feel. Uhh... yeah. -------------- The is the beauty of being me- anything that any man does I can understand. --Joe G

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,18:22    funny, I often use Job to point out exactly that the creationists are making the assumptions warned against in that very book. so much projection, so little time. *sigh* -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,18:40    Quote (Born Defective 77 Times and Counting @ June 01 2007,sometime today) ... details of Big Bang Cosmology, that were revealed just last year ... Doesn't get out much does he?  Maybe if he spent a little less time reading the tripe at UD and a little more... Oh to hell with it.  Why bother? -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,18:46    Quote (C.J.O'Brien @ June 01 2007,19:13) Quote For you to deny Job 38:4-11, which was written 1000’s of years ago, has any connection whatsoever to details of Big Bang Cosmology, that were revealed just last year, They must not have been revealed by an IDer, then, because IDers didn't publish anything in their journal last year.

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,18:52    I followed Phonons link, and sakes alive, bornagain77 is not the sharpest knife in the drawer: Quote I believe the ID concept of “front loading” explains the adaptability to varying climates and selection pressures a lot better than the RM/NS scenario does. In fact the concept of “Front Loading” explains all lines of adaptation I have examined, including the fact that reproductive isolation of sub-species appears to be the result of the loss of genetic information. The popularizing of this one point should be the final blow to evolution. Oh no! Our deathblow! It will probably take place at our Waterloo!!111

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,18:55    front loading is an ID concept now? man, just how big can that tent get before it blows up? -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,19:07    Quote (Born Defective 77 Times and Counting @ 05/31/2007, 4:11 pm) I believe the ID concept of “front loading” explains the adaptability to varying climates and selection pressures a lot better than the RM/NS scenario does. Well, I for one feel much better about global climate change, then.  We've been front-loaded to adapt, so why worry? I'm buyin' a big honkin' SUV tomorrow morning. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

stevestory Posts: 13407 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,19:16    Quote (stevestory @ June 01 2007,19:52) Quote I believe the ID concept of “front loading” explains the adaptability to varying climates and selection pressures a lot better than the RM/NS scenario does. In fact the concept of “Front Loading” explains all lines of adaptation I have examined, including the fact that reproductive isolation of sub-species appears to be the result of the loss of genetic information. The popularizing of this one point should be the final blow to evolution. "All right guard, begin the unnecessarily slow-moving dipping mechanism!"

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,19:26    Quote explains the adaptability now, all he has to do is have it explain the actual lack of adaptability as well, the massive shifts in populations of amphibians, for example, and his theory will be complete! talk about armchair biology. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,21:03    Quote ("Rev Dr" Lenny Flank @ June 01 2007,18:07) Hmmm, I can't think offhand of any aircraft manufacturer of the time other than Sopwith whose aircraft actually bore NAMES.  The Camel, the Pup, the Snipe, the Dolphin, the Salamander . . . No Fokker anything.  No Airco.  No Bristol.  No Pfaltz.  No SPAD.  E-III, DH-2, SE5a, Dr-1, D-VII . . . .  just boring letters and numbers. Although the Fokker D-7 has to be one of the most beautiful aircraft of any era...name or no name.  Also the SE5a. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

GCT Posts: 1001 Joined: Aug. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,21:29    Quote (J-Dog @ June 01 2007,15:30) Quote (GCT @ June 01 2007,11:26) Quote (JohnW @ May 30 2007,13:39) bornagain77 gives us the hard stuff: pure, triple-distilled, illegal-in-27-states hardcore tard:     Quote The truth is that children have a much higher incidence of positive afterlife experiences than s do (+90% to -20%). So it would seem children are much closer to the truth than we are. Since after life experiences are indeed validated as authentic experiences by Van Lommel and a number of other studies, the question now becomes, Why do children have a much higher incidence of positive after-life experiences when temporarily deceased than s do? I think the answer is fairly straight forward. I believe that they have not been corrupted by many of the materialistic lies saying that this world is all there is. Another interesting fact is that other drastically different cultures,Hindu, Chinese,Japanese etc etc.. have a majority of afterlife experinces that are negative when compared to our Judeo-Christian society. This is truly a very facinating phenomena. I’ve got a short study that I’ve done on this and will send it to anyone via request. bornagain7777@hotmail.com P.S. It is in Pdf. format Pdf format = Pulled from arsehole, presumably. [emphasis in bornagain's original quote mine, other emphasis by JohnW] Well, I went ahead and asked for it and received it.  Is anyone interested in seeing it?  I haven't read it yet (haven't had the time and won't until later today or tomorrow). Yeah - I say post it... It promises to be Tardariffic, but I won't read it till next week, unless my kid's baseball games get rained out. I've gotten through the first couple pages of the first file he sent (there's 2.)  It is indeed tard-filled.  It might be too much for one person to handle.  I might indeed need to be quarantined as JohnW suggested.  If I do post it, maybe I'll make it a separate thread.  Both files are pretty long though (50+ pages).

Ichthyic Posts: 3325 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,21:42    Quote Although the Fokker D-7 has to be one of the most beautiful aircraft of any era. agreed, even though I've only seen one and flown one in computer simulations, if those simulations were in any way accurate, it was perhaps the best aircraft of the WWI era. I almost always chose to fly it when running any WWI air combat game. love to see one "in the flesh" sometime. -------------- "And the sea will grant each man new hope..." -CC

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,22:16    Now celebrating 12 guaranteed fib-free days at Overwhelming Evidence: Quote # marketing? 1 week 5 days ago # Wiki Bias 1 week 6 days ago # content 2 weeks 11 hours ago # Huh, odd. There "should" be 2 weeks 12 hours ago # and the real posters too... 2 weeks 1 day ago # Sorry To Hear That 4 weeks 2 days ago

"Rev Dr" Lenny Flank Posts: 2560 Joined: Feb. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: June 01 2007,22:17    Quote (Ichthyic @ June 01 2007,21:42) Quote Although the Fokker D-7 has to be one of the most beautiful aircraft of any era. agreed, even though I've only seen one and flown one in computer simulations, if those simulations were in any way accurate, it was perhaps the best aircraft of the WWI era. I almost always chose to fly it when running any WWI air combat game. love to see one "in the flesh" sometime. Yes, it was the best aircraft of its time. It was specifically built to outperform the Camel, SE5a, and Spad 13. But, like the Me-262, it came too little, too late, to make any difference. -------------- Editor, Red and Black Publishers www.RedandBlackPublishers.com

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