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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2014,12:32   

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Today I was watching my 8-month old sleep and how perfectly formed her eyelashes are. I marveled that evolution could, supposedly, make her little eyelashes such an optimal shape and size to confer the slight advantage of having a little less dust in her eyes, but evolution is not powerful enough to cull things like homosexuality out of the population.


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What I find most noteworthy is that he'd read BA77's logorrhoea down to #4.

Between that and his implicit fear of his child growing up to be gay, I don't envy his experience.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2014,12:37   

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Heh heh. They wonder (rightly) why external testes should be in the list of 'bad design' on the grounds that it does, indeed, provide the optimal environment for sperm. They do not, however, explain why sperm should be so intolerant of the body's temperature, or conversely why the body's temperature needs to be of sperm-killing degree. Birds are even hotter, and they keep 'em on the inside.

I remember some idiot over there praising God's design as they noted the planet Jupiter's role in deflecting asteroids safely away from Earth.

Why there should be giant, fuck off, life-exterminating boulders zooming around up there in the first place completely escaped them.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2014,13:39   

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Heh heh. They wonder (rightly) why external testes should be in the list of 'bad design' on the grounds that it does, indeed, provide the optimal environment for sperm. They do not, however, explain why sperm should be so intolerant of the body's temperature, or conversely why the body's temperature needs to be of sperm-killing degree. Birds are even hotter, and they keep 'em on the inside.

I remember some idiot over there praising God's design as they noted the planet Jupiter's role in deflecting asteroids safely away from Earth.

Why there should be giant, fuck off, life-exterminating boulders zooming around up there in the first place completely escaped them.

For convenient smiting and the end times, of course....

http://www.foxnews.com/story....omorrah

http://bit.ly/1AsqkEe....1AsqkEe

  
Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 18 2014,14:11   

WJM to RDFish:

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One can bring up all sorts of philosophical, psychological possibilities and theories that would undermine all sorts of conventions we use in every day life and science. You are apply selective hyperskepticism here.


In the UD dictionary under "selective hyperskepticism" it says "Underhand Darwinist tactic of saying one or more of the following
1. 'We don't know the answer' (rather than accepting any unwarranted but absolutely definitely true assumption that an ID supporter can feel in their gut to be true).
2. 'This fact defeats your argument.'
3. 'How does this work as science?'

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2014,02:20   

WJM

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Unless RDFish answers UB’s pertinent, revealing question, I’d say RDFiush has been outed as a trollish fraud here.


Says the man who leaves many pertinent, revealing questions unanswered.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2014,02:25   

As do elephants (Werdelin L., Nilsonne Å., Fortelius M. (1999) Testicondy and ecological opportunism predict the rapid evolution of elephants. Evolutionary Theory 12: 39-45).

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2014,07:42   

KF, no doubt frustrated at the fact RDFish won't talk to him, presents the argument from incredulity and naive characterization of materialism...

...which then becomes an argument from diagrams:

 
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That is, we must never forget the GIGO-driven limitations of blindly mechanical cause-effect chains in computers:




 
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...and in neural networks alike.




... and then "it's obvious!":

 
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That is, it is quite evident that for cause, we can reasonably conclude that mechanical cause-effect chain based computation is categorically distinct from self-aware, self-moved responsible, rational contemplation.



I can't think why RDFish doesn't bother speaking to you anymore, Gordon.

If he does bite, it will be because KF does at least provide a definition of intelligence (from [Robert?] Sternberg):

 
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Intelligence is the cognitive ability of an individual to learn from experience, to reason well, to remember important information, and to cope with the demands of daily living.


Useless for a scientific theory of ID, of course, and as his favoured designer is supposed to be beyond learning, outside of time, and has a history of selectively forgetting important things, I wonder why he chose it.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2014,11:59   

KF's artwork is getting more and more Gaulinesque ...

Edited by sparc on Aug. 19 2014,11:59

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2014,12:22   

Quote (sparc @ Aug. 19 2014,11:59)
KF's artwork is getting more and more Gaulinesque ...

Has GaGa ever posted at UD?

Getting him and KF into a tard-fight would be highly entertaining!

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 19 2014,13:19   

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Intelligence is the cognitive ability of an individual to learn from experience, to reason well, to remember important information, and to cope with the demands of daily living.

Are you listening, Gaulin?

  
Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,05:27   

A lovely snippet of KF:

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The point is, that the dismissal of genuine responsible freedom saws off the branch on which we all must sit, rationality.

That is, it is a projection of grand delusion, which undercuts the power to choose to follow arguments based on insight into meaning, grounds and consequences, and it undercuts the power therefore to warrant belief, thence knowledge.

It is an appeal to general delusion.

Therefore it collapses in self referential and antisocial (even sometimes nihilistic)incoherence — sawing off the branch on which we all must sit.



Not quite a formal argumentum ad villanelle but close.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,09:57   

Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Aug. 19 2014,20:22)
Quote (sparc @ Aug. 19 2014,11:59)
KF's artwork is getting more and more Gaulinesque ...

Has GaGa ever posted at UD?

Getting him and KF into a tard-fight would be highly entertaining!

Have they ever been seen in the same room together?

Does Gaga really dress up as a woman and secretly inhabit a Caribbean volcanic island?

Ya gotta admit they're both bananas :]





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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,10:28   

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KF's artwork is getting more and more Gaulinesque ...

Has GaGa ever posted at UD?

Getting him and KF into a tard-fight would be highly entertaining!

Have they ever been seen in the same room together?

Does Gaga really dress up as a woman and secretly inhabit a Caribbean volcanic island?

Ya gotta admit they're both bananas :]

That's very Comforting.

BTW I didn't think you could secretly inhabit a volcanic island unless you had a white long-haired cat.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,11:13   

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KF's artwork is getting more and more Gaulinesque ...

Has GaGa ever posted at UD?

Getting him and KF into a tard-fight would be highly entertaining!

Have they ever been seen in the same room together?

Does Gaga really dress up as a woman and secretly inhabit a Caribbean volcanic island?

Ya gotta admit they're both bananas :]

That's very Comforting.

BTW I didn't think you could secretly inhabit a volcanic island unless you had a white long-haired cat.

And I can't imagine either Gary or Gordo doing anything in secret.  Neither one has the faintest clue how to shut up.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,11:22   

Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 20 2014,16:13)
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Quote (sparc @ Aug. 19 2014,11:59)
KF's artwork is getting more and more Gaulinesque ...

Has GaGa ever posted at UD?

Getting him and KF into a tard-fight would be highly entertaining!

Have they ever been seen in the same room together?

Does Gaga really dress up as a woman and secretly inhabit a Caribbean volcanic island?

Ya gotta admit they're both bananas :]

That's very Comforting.

BTW I didn't think you could secretly inhabit a volcanic island unless you had a white long-haired cat.

And I can't imagine either Gary or Gordo doing anything in secret.  Neither one has the faintest clue how to shut up.

The world's longest joke begins "Gary Gaulin, Gordon E Mullings, and Vincent Torley walk into a bar..."

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,13:32   

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The world's longest joke begins "Gary Gaulin, Gordon E Mullings, and Vincent Torley walk into a bar..."

And say "ouch"?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,13:33   

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Therefore it collapses in self referential and antisocial (even sometimes nihilistic)incoherence — sawing off the branch on which we all must sit.

So was he saying that we're all out on a limb?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,13:48   

Quote (Driver @ Aug. 20 2014,12:22)
The world's longest joke begins "Gary Gaulin, Gordon E Mullings, and Vincent Torley walk into a bar..."

The world's longest joke begins "Gary Gaulin, BatShit77, and Vincent Torley walk into a bar..."

   
Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,13:49   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 20 2014,18:32)
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The world's longest joke begins "Gary Gaulin, Gordon E Mullings, and Vincent Torley walk into a bar..."

And say "ouch"?

Nothing so meaningful.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,14:06   

Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 20 2014,13:32)
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The world's longest joke begins "Gary Gaulin, Gordon E Mullings, and Vincent Torley walk into a bar..."

And say "ouch"?

And declare this proof of design.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,21:13   

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The world's longest joke begins "Gary Gaulin, Gordon E Mullings, and Vincent Torley walk into a bar..."

And say "ouch"?

And declare this proof of design.

Can you imagine what they would order?

GG: Make mine a.... pats pockets.... I home seem to have left my wallet. ...looks around for someone to blame

KF: I 'n I is 'aving an eye-anan Daiquiri wit Magenta tickle Mon. I and my god will have a Bananna Daiquiri with a dash of Parfait d'Amour please Mister

VT: blah blah blah blah blah........lemonade.....blah blah blah blah

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 20 2014,22:37   

Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 20 2014,21:13)
Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 20 2014,22:06)
 
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 20 2014,13:32)
 
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The world's longest joke begins "Gary Gaulin, Gordon E Mullings, and Vincent Torley walk into a bar..."

And say "ouch"?

And declare this proof of design.

Can you imagine what they would order?

GG: Make mine a.... pats pockets.... I home seem to have left my wallet. ...looks around for someone to blame

KF: I 'n I is 'aving an eye-anan Daiquiri wit Magenta tickle Mon. I and my god will have a Bananna Daiquiri with a dash of Parfait d'Amour please Mister

VT: blah blah blah blah blah........lemonade.....blah blah blah blah

Reminds me of a joke (liberally interpreted for the audience).

Myself and KF walk into a bar. I sit and, wanting to impress KF, say "I'll have some H two O."

KF, wanting to show how smart he is, says, "I'll have some H two O too."

End of KF problem.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2014,03:13   

Quote (k.e.. @ Aug. 20 2014,21:13)
 
Quote (Texas Teach @ Aug. 20 2014,22:06)
   
Quote (Henry J @ Aug. 20 2014,13:32)
   
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The world's longest joke begins "Gary Gaulin, Gordon E Mullings, and Vincent Torley walk into a bar..."

And say "ouch"?

And declare this proof of design.

Can you imagine what they would order?

GG: Make mine a.... pats pockets.... I home seem to have left my wallet. ...looks around for someone to blame

KF: I 'n I is 'aving an eye-anan Daiquiri wit Magenta tickle Mon. I and my god will have a Bananna Daiquiri with a dash of Parfait d'Amour please Mister

VT: blah blah blah blah blah........lemonade.....blah blah blah blah

Humor is funny...

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2014,05:22   

Quote (Driver @ Aug. 20 2014,11:22)
The world's longest joke begins "Gary Gaulin, Gordon E Mullings, and Vincent Torley walk into a bar..."

You're not going to get to the punchline before the bar closes....

  
Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2014,10:33   

First up, Dr Moose's

Appeal to the failure of Windows 8 to improve itself.



 
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"if you have information that is copied with variation and selection then you must get (as Dan Dennett p50 puts it) 'Design out of chaos without the aid of mind'."

This, I see, as the first tenet of neo-Darwinism. If this statement is true, then neo-Darwinism is very credible. If this statement is false, then neo-Darwinism is, well, wrong.

As a software developer, I would love to see software that results from a world where this statement is true. We have information. Every time a piece of data is loaded off of a hard drive, and into active memory, we have duplication. All too often we have computers making copy errors — much more so 30 years ago than today. We even have selection, it is called "operators cursing computers". Yet with these three principles plugged together, the only improvement we have seen is that the intelligent designers have worked really hard to reduce copy errors.



Stick that in your analogy pipe and smoke it, evolutionists!

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2014,10:41   

We also have UB's

Fucking acoustics - how do they work?

We'll skip the description of how a music box works...

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Question: Can the pin determine that middle C rings out?
Answer: No. The pin can neither cause the tone nor determine its pitch. That is accomplished solely by the vibration of the tine, tuned to specified frequency.


Why is he asking this question? Did he run out of glue to huff? Where is he going with this?

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Why does RD think that the pin on a cylinder is physically continuous with air pressure fluctuating at ~261Hz at a specific point in time?


Because acoustics are not a religious mystery?



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He can’t get from one to the other without the protocol in the system. And from the material make-up of the system itself, any number of descriptions can be made, but absolutely none of them will explain why a particular pin is mapped to a particular note on the music scale. Yet, without this mapping (i.e. specification), the function of the system would not be possible.




As far as I can tell, having recognized that middle C is reducible to 261Hz (taking his word for the value), he decided he had made too much effort to scrap the whole thing and so had a little waffle here.


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RD says he’s “refuted [my] argument by pointing out robots are physically reducible without remainder”. In any instance where information is translated into a functional effect, he is simply wrong. Not only is his claim false, but it doesn’t even address the issue.



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I think what he is trying to say is that Middle C is a human construct, but why he thinks this creates a "physical discontinuity" in the music box itself I don't know.
And by "physical discontinuity" I can only think that he means Yahweh makes music boxes work.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2014,10:49   

Ah. It's a *CODE* isn't it, so therefore oogly boogly.

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Driver



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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2014,10:54   

I'm just not as well tuned in to the creationist mind as I could be.

ETA: From the Jacquard loom to music boxes to chess machines to modern computers... They only work because of oogly boogly.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2014,11:29   

Quote (Driver @ Aug. 21 2014,16:33)
First up, Dr Moose's

Appeal to the failure of Windows 8 to improve itself.



     
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"if you have information that is copied with variation and selection then you must get (as Dan Dennett p50 puts it) 'Design out of chaos without the aid of mind'."

This, I see, as the first tenet of neo-Darwinism. If this statement is true, then neo-Darwinism is very credible. If this statement is false, then neo-Darwinism is, well, wrong.

As a software developer, I would love to see software that results from a world where this statement is true. We have information. Every time a piece of data is loaded off of a hard drive, and into active memory, we have duplication. All too often we have computers making copy errors — much more so 30 years ago than today. We even have selection, it is called "operators cursing computers". Yet with these three principles plugged together, the only improvement we have seen is that the intelligent designers have worked really hard to reduce copy errors.



Stick that in your analogy pipe and smoke it, evolutionists!

Fucking software developers. (Hang on, I'm a software developer!). Tierra? Avida? Eureka? What in hell are they then, if not successfully replicated with random errors? I hope he's not really entitled to use 'Dr' - it would be twattish in the extreme to include it in a webbyname if so.

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(Permalink) Posted: Aug. 21 2014,11:58   

Quote (Soapy Sam @ Aug. 21 2014,09:29)
Quote (Driver @ Aug. 21 2014,16:33)
First up, Dr Moose's

Appeal to the failure of Windows 8 to improve itself.



       
Quote

"if you have information that is copied with variation and selection then you must get (as Dan Dennett p50 puts it) 'Design out of chaos without the aid of mind'."

This, I see, as the first tenet of neo-Darwinism. If this statement is true, then neo-Darwinism is very credible. If this statement is false, then neo-Darwinism is, well, wrong.

As a software developer, I would love to see software that results from a world where this statement is true. We have information. Every time a piece of data is loaded off of a hard drive, and into active memory, we have duplication. All too often we have computers making copy errors — much more so 30 years ago than today. We even have selection, it is called "operators cursing computers". Yet with these three principles plugged together, the only improvement we have seen is that the intelligent designers have worked really hard to reduce copy errors.



Stick that in your analogy pipe and smoke it, evolutionists!

Fucking software developers. (Hang on, I'm a software developer!). Tierra? Avida? Eureka? What in hell are they then, if not successfully replicated with random errors? I hope he's not really entitled to use 'Dr' - it would be twattish in the extreme to include it in a webbyname if so.

I hope he's really a moose.

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