Dr. Jammer
Posts: 37 Joined: Feb. 2012
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Quote (JLT @ June 14 2012,02:46) | Quote | 1 ForJah
This article is really foul…and I don’t mean what Matheson said, I mean how irrelevant it is to any scientific argument. I know you acknowledged this at the bottom but still leave the ad hominems for the Darwinists. The high level of intellectual discussions based on actual arguments are what drew me to this site. This is a crap article and should not have been posted. |
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ForJah seems confused. His first complaint is irrelevant; Sal never claimed the entry was any sort of a scientific rebuttal to Matheson (there's a recent entry for that).
His second complaint, that U.D. should be limited to scientific discussions, is nothing more than an opinion with little-to-no supporting argument.
Personally, I disagree with his opinion. I believe U.D. should be devoted to any subject relevant to I.D. in any way, including exposing the appalling behavior of those who fight against I.D.
Don't just expose their weak arguments and evidence; expose their weak moral fiber. Make it clear that I.D.'s battle isn't against science, but against a group of sleaze buckets who have corrupted science. That sounds like a winning strategy to me.
Quote (JLT @ June 14 2012,02:46) | Quote | 3 Starbuck
Uncommon Descent has hit bottom with this post. |
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Judging by her YouTube account (linked to in all of her U.D. comments), I'd say there's a strong possibility that Starbuck is, in fact, a degenerate (as well as Steve Matheson's kinda girl).
Quote (JLT @ June 14 2012,02:46) | Quote | 10 Timaeus
Scordova:
I’ve often enjoyed your contributions to UD on biological matters, so I write out of respect for your past entries, but I must say, this is one column that I wish you hadn’t written.
I take into account your explanation of your motives, and your sincere expressions of sympathy for Matheson’s personal situation. And I understand the frustration you feel with Matheson’s constant accusations of dishonesty against fine Christian ID people like Behe and Meyer.
Nonetheless, I think that Matheson’s (real or alleged) moral failings are not something that UD should be devoting columns to. Even if he is guilty of a form of personal dishonesty himself, and even if it is somewhat inconsistent of him to lecture others on personal dishonesty given that fact, I still think we should let the subject go. Certain wrong acts carry their own “natural punishment,” and I imagine that Matheson has suffered enough of this without us “piling on.”
I don’t take your motivation here as malicious or spiteful, but I think perhaps a certain overzealousness has overtaken your judgment. It’s not for me to tell you what to do, but I would recommend that you seriously consider removing this column from the site. As author, I believe you have the right and the power to do that.
Steve is not one of my favorite TEs — his abrasive manner of arguing puts me off. But I think it would be the high road for us not to seek the slightest rhetorical advantage over him due to his personal actions in the non-scientific sphere. |
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Timaeus is brilliant, and, while I disagree with him, his reasoning for disapproving of Sal's article is respectable. Notice, also, that he's not making Sal out to be a bad guy, but a well-meaning individual who simply become overzealous.
That's a sharp contrast from the degenerates here who are trying to make Sal out to be a bad guy, while deflecting from Steve Matheson's disgusting (alleged) behavior.
Quote (JLT @ June 14 2012,02:46) | Quote | 16 scordova
[...] I came close to retracting this thread, but you know, I want to keep it. It shows that despite me, there are some really good guys here at UD. Their comments on this thread are evidence. |
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Sal's a wonderful human being. Had the roles been reversed, had Sal been exposed for comitting highly dubious behavior, I have no doubt that Darwinists, including Steve Matheson, would've picked his ones dry.
Quote (JLT @ June 14 2012,02:46) | I'm sure you'll now proceed to tell ForJah, Starbuck, and Timaeus that they're degenerates, too. |
ForJah: You're confused. Timaeus: You're brilliant. Keep up the good work. Starbuck: You're probably a degenerate.
Happy?
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