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Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2012,14:51    Quote (socle @ Feb. 25 2012,12:49)           Quote Prof FX Gumby: If you can measure it, and other people can measure it and get the same answer, then it's science. Joe:               Quote How can we measure evolution via blind and undirected processes? Funny how he's never at a loss when it comes to measuring bits in a fruitcake or whatever the hell else... Even if he has a hotkey for 'blind, undirected process', and 'BTW ID is not anti-evolution', and 'YOUR position has no evidence' and 'obvioulsy', why does he not get bored out of his tiny mind making the same point over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over? .... he's been unusually loquacious over at TSZ - even though they were just pastings from his blog, I'm impressed he managed to string a few extra sentences together in composing them originally. Then this straight-to-Guano return to form ...         Quote I know where I get my posts from, thanks. They are relevant and there isn't any need to re-invent what has already been said. What questions pertaining to ID have I answered? That there are delusional wankers like you who have nothing and can only spew ignorant nonsense. Yes we can look back through my blog and find a bunch of cowardly evos, like you. Hee hee! Edited by Soapy Sam on Feb. 25 2012,16:41 -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2012,16:47    Quote Joe G on February 25, 2012 at 8:30 pm said: Should move the my entire blog to guano... FTFY Joetard LMFAO he C&Ped a huge pile of horseshit at TSZ and the response was "wow i already read that horseshit before back at your own blog here is the link and it was bullshit then too" baaahahahaha -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

REC Posts: 638 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 25 2012,23:09    JUst got home from a depatmental party (took a cab_....some of the faculty were discussing some presubumission draft paper with some inexplicable results. Apparently is circulating far and wide seeking approval/comments before submussion-but the conversation got quiet on the details. Anyone know awht this is about? Have a copy?

Soapy Sam Posts: 659 Joined: Jan. 2012 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2012,02:50    Quote (REC @ Feb. 25 2012,23:09) JUst got home from a depatmental party (took a cab_....some of the faculty were discussing some presubumission draft paper with some inexplicable results. Apparently is circulating far and wide seeking approval/comments before submussion-but the conversation got quiet on the details. Anyone know awht this is about? Have a copy? Ummm ... you'll have to be a bit more specific! Inexplicable results ten-a-penny round here. Not faster-than-light neutrinos again? -------------- SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G BTW, when you make little jabs like “I thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,” you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2012,07:00    Quote (Soapy Sam @ Feb. 26 2012,10:50) Quote (REC @ Feb. 25 2012,23:09) JUst got home from a depatmental party (took a cab_....some of the faculty were discussing some presubumission draft paper with some inexplicable results. Apparently is circulating far and wide seeking approval/comments before submussion-but the conversation got quiet on the details. Anyone know awht this is about? Have a copy? Ummm ... you'll have to be a bit more specific! Inexplicable results ten-a-penny round here. Not faster-than-light neutrinos again? OK HOMO, SOME NUTRIMONOS TOOK A SHORT CUT ...THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED IN THIS DAY AND AGE. SERIOIUSLY I BLAME TEH CELL PHONE FOR THAT ONE. BUT GETTING BACK FROM A GRAND NIGHT OUT AND BEING CONFUSED? YOU'RE NOT GAY ARE YOU? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2012,08:42    Quote (REC @ Feb. 26 2012,00:09) JUst got home from a depatmental party (took a cab_....some of the faculty were discussing some presubumission draft paper with some inexplicable results. Apparently is circulating far and wide seeking approval/comments before submussion-but the conversation got quiet on the details. Anyone know awht this is about? Have a copy? No, but I'm pretty tight with my P.I. and he shed some light on it. Check your inbox. -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

sledgehammer Posts: 533 Joined: Sep. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2012,16:18    Quote (Lou FCD @ Feb. 26 2012,06:42) Quote (REC @ Feb. 26 2012,00:09) JUst got home from a depatmental party (took a cab_....some of the faculty were discussing some presubumission draft paper with some inexplicable results. Apparently is circulating far and wide seeking approval/comments before submussion-but the conversation got quiet on the details. Anyone know awht this is about? Have a copy? No, but I'm pretty tight with my P.I. and he shed some light on it. Check your inbox. Well, are you guys going to share, or do I need the secret handshake and decoder ring? -------------- The majority of the stupid is invincible and guaranteed for all time. The terror of their tyranny is alleviated by their lack of consistency. -A. Einstein  (H/T, JAD) If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. ?Think about that. -K. Hovind

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2012,23:23    Barry Arrogant waves his little pee pee around again on the Do Materialists Believe Rape is Wrong? thread   Quote Asshat Arrington:  It looks like the Darwinists other than ThoughtSpark have been struck dumb. The fact is, most of them prefer to say nothing (or, like Jack, try to change the subject) when pressed to defend the moral logic of their worldview. Very few of them are like ThoughtSpark, willing candidly to admit the monstrous moral nihilism that worldview entails. It's easy to be the big talking tough guy when you've banned all those who would easily refute your idiocy.   Quote Asshat Arrington:  Nick Matzke, for example, has been posting here for the last two days. Anyone else notice he won’t touch this thread with a ten foot pole? Most people won't deliberately step in dogshit when they see it on the sidewalk either. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2012,23:27    Is anybody aware of the upcoming Marks, Behe, Dembski, Sandford book Biological Information: New Perspectives. I wonder what drove Springer to publish it. Maybe because the title of the conference was simolar to those organized by the Novartis Foundation New Perspective series. (ETA: my mistake, actually only on of the Novartis meeting titles contained "New Perspectives") You may want to reserve an online book review copy. Edited by sparc on Feb. 27 2012,23:06 -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2012,23:36    Quote (sparc @ Feb. 26 2012,23:27) Is anybody aware of the upcoming Marks, Behe, Dembski, Sandford book Biological Information: New Perspectives. I wonder what drove Springer to publish it. Maybe because the title of the conference was simolar to those organized by the Novartis Foundation New Perspective series. You may want to reserve an online book review copy. $179.00!! It will be a cold day in Hell...

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 26 2012,23:37    Quote (sparc @ Feb. 26 2012,23:27) Is anybody aware of the upcoming Marks, Behe, Dembski, Sandford book Biological Information: New Perspectives. I wonder what drove Springer to publish it. Maybe because the title of the conference was simolar to those organized by the Novartis Foundation New Perspective series. You may want to reserve an online book review copy. According to the site you linked to it sells for $179 a pop.  That's an awful lot of scratch for a collection of the same idiotic bullshit and lies they've been peddling for the last 15 years. You know there will be idiots willing to pay these clowns to see the circus again.  It will be like how after L. Ron Hubbard died the Scientologists took random chapters from his various books, combined them, and published them as brand new undiscovered works. ETA:  I'll bet a bottle of single malt scotch the clowns still don't define "biological information". -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,01:01    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 26 2012,23:23) Barry Arrogant waves his little pee pee around again on the Do Materialists Believe Rape is Wrong? thread   Quote Asshat Arrington:  It looks like the Darwinists other than ThoughtSpark have been struck dumb. The fact is, most of them prefer to say nothing (or, like Jack, try to change the subject) when pressed to defend the moral logic of their worldview. Very few of them are like ThoughtSpark, willing candidly to admit the monstrous moral nihilism that worldview entails. It's easy to be the big talking tough guy when you've banned all those who would easily refute your idiocy.     Quote Asshat Arrington:  Nick Matzke, for example, has been posting here for the last two days. Anyone else notice he won’t touch this thread with a ten foot pole? Most people won't deliberately step in dogshit when they see it on the sidewalk either. Oh let me play. Anyone notice that Barry wont touch any open forum with a 10 foot pole? -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

DiEb Posts: 312 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,04:01    Quote DiEb February 27, 2012 at 3:40 am Your comment is awaiting moderation. It looks like the Darwinists other than ThoughtSpark have been struck dumb. I don’t think so – I assume that most of us believe that the question is just a provocation, and utterly malformed. But nevertheless, I will answer the question: Materialists generally believe that rape is wrong. Certainly there are various lines of reasoning to argue why materialists believe that rape is wrong, but there is no doubt that they believe it: there is no movement to promote rape in secular countries, rapists are despised and condemned in agnostic societies, etc.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,04:48    Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 26 2012,23:36) Quote (sparc @ Feb. 26 2012,23:27) Is anybody aware of the upcoming Marks, Behe, Dembski, Sandford book Biological Information: New Perspectives. I wonder what drove Springer to publish it. Maybe because the title of the conference was simolar to those organized by the Novartis Foundation New Perspective series. You may want to reserve an online book review copy. $179.00!! It will be a cold day in Hell... Yeah, Springer do tend to be expensive. The site is under maintenance at the moment, so once it's working again, I'm going to ask them why they are publishing a book about biology under "engineering". -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

DiEb Posts: 312 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,04:56    Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 27 2012,04:48) Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 26 2012,23:36) Quote (sparc @ Feb. 26 2012,23:27) Is anybody aware of the upcoming Marks, Behe, Dembski, Sandford book Biological Information: New Perspectives. I wonder what drove Springer to publish it. Maybe because the title of the conference was simolar to those organized by the Novartis Foundation New Perspective series. You may want to reserve an online book review copy. $179.00!! It will be a cold day in Hell... Yeah, Springer do tend to be expensive. The site is under maintenance at the moment, so once it's working again, I'm going to ask them why they are publishing a book about biology under "engineering". Quote In the spring of 2011, a diverse group of scientists gathered at Cornell University to discuss their research into the nature and origin of biological information. This symposium brought together experts in information theory, computer science, numerical simulation, thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, whole organism biology, developmental biology, molecular biology, genetics, physics, biophysics, mathematics, and linguistics. This volume presents new research by those invited to speak at the conference. Is there any coverage of this symposion?

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,05:21    Quote (DiEb @ Feb. 27 2012,12:56) Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 27 2012,04:48) Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 26 2012,23:36)   Quote (sparc @ Feb. 26 2012,23:27) Is anybody aware of the upcoming Marks, Behe, Dembski, Sandford book Biological Information: New Perspectives. I wonder what drove Springer to publish it. Maybe because the title of the conference was simolar to those organized by the Novartis Foundation New Perspective series. You may want to reserve an online book review copy. $179.00!! It will be a cold day in Hell... Yeah, Springer do tend to be expensive. The site is under maintenance at the moment, so once it's working again, I'm going to ask them why they are publishing a book about biology under "engineering". Quote In the spring of 2011, a diverse group of scientists gathered at Cornell University to discuss their research into the nature and origin of biological information. This symposium brought together experts in information theory, computer science, numerical simulation, thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, whole organism biology, developmental biology, molecular biology, genetics, physics, biophysics, mathematics, and linguistics. This volume presents new research by those invited to speak at the conference. Is there any coverage of this symposion? Teh Dirty Dozen science deniers? That symposium is being (re)constructed by a benefactor with tourettes. When we asked Howard A. Jr. why? ..... he told us to fuck off. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Jkrebs Posts: 590 Joined: Sep. 2004 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,06:55    Barry parenthetically added, on the rape thread, "or, like Jack, try to change the subject", but there is no Jack that has posted in the thread.  Any idea what this is about?  Did someone post and then get unposted???

utidjian Posts: 185 Joined: Oct. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,07:33    Quote (Jkrebs @ Feb. 27 2012,06:55) Barry parenthetically added, on the rape thread, "or, like Jack, try to change the subject", but there is no Jack that has posted in the thread.  Any idea what this is about?  Did someone post and then get unposted??? Probably. Also Dieb posted what appears to be the very first response to that thread (hard to tell with banninations and dissappearinations all over the place.) Dieb also has a very reasonable response that has not yet appeared (still in moderation.) I also have a response but it is also in moderation. Not like it is news but Barry's editing (by filtering responses and bans) of the responses unless it says what he wants is disingenuous and despicable. -DU- -------------- Being laughed at doesn't mean you're progressing along some line. It probably just means you're saying some stupid shit -stevestory

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,07:55    Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 27 2012,04:48) Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 26 2012,23:36) Quote (sparc @ Feb. 26 2012,23:27) Is anybody aware of the upcoming Marks, Behe, Dembski, Sandford book Biological Information: New Perspectives. I wonder what drove Springer to publish it. Maybe because the title of the conference was simolar to those organized by the Novartis Foundation New Perspective series. You may want to reserve an online book review copy. $179.00!! It will be a cold day in Hell... Yeah, Springer do tend to be expensive. The site is under maintenance at the moment, so once it's working again, I'm going to ask them why they are publishing a book about biology under "engineering". Bob, if it has gone to press it may be too late.  Besides, this will be nothing new, let ID have its little victory and concentrate on the more important thing (if rumors are to be believed). -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,08:32    Quote (DiEb @ Feb. 27 2012,04:56)   Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 27 2012,04:48)   Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 26 2012,23:36)     Quote (sparc @ Feb. 26 2012,23:27) Is anybody aware of the upcoming Marks, Behe, Dembski, Sandford book Biological Information: New Perspectives. I wonder what drove Springer to publish it. Maybe because the title of the conference was simolar to those organized by the Novartis Foundation New Perspective series. You may want to reserve an online book review copy. $179.00!! It will be a cold day in Hell... Yeah, Springer do tend to be expensive. The site is under maintenance at the moment, so once it's working again, I'm going to ask them why they are publishing a book about biology under "engineering".   Quote In the spring of 2011, a diverse group of scientists gathered at Cornell University to discuss their research into the nature and origin of biological information. This symposium brought together experts in information theory, computer science, numerical simulation, thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, whole organism biology, developmental biology, molecular biology, genetics, physics, biophysics, mathematics, and linguistics. This volume presents new research by those invited to speak at the conference. Is there any coverage of this symposion? I notice the assclown are still trying to paint the picture that this meeting was sponsored by Cornell, one of the top engineering schools in the country.  In fact the conference had zero to do with the school.  The IDiots merely rented some publicly available hall space there. With liars like that it's all about appearance, not substance. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,08:48    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 27 2012,08:32) Quote (DiEb @ Feb. 27 2012,04:56)   Quote (Bob O'H @ Feb. 27 2012,04:48)     Quote (CeilingCat @ Feb. 26 2012,23:36)     Quote (sparc @ Feb. 26 2012,23:27) Is anybody aware of the upcoming Marks, Behe, Dembski, Sandford book Biological Information: New Perspectives. I wonder what drove Springer to publish it. Maybe because the title of the conference was simolar to those organized by the Novartis Foundation New Perspective series. You may want to reserve an online book review copy. $179.00!! It will be a cold day in Hell... Yeah, Springer do tend to be expensive. The site is under maintenance at the moment, so once it's working again, I'm going to ask them why they are publishing a book about biology under "engineering".     Quote In the spring of 2011, a diverse group of scientists gathered at Cornell University to discuss their research into the nature and origin of biological information. This symposium brought together experts in information theory, computer science, numerical simulation, thermodynamics, evolutionary theory, whole organism biology, developmental biology, molecular biology, genetics, physics, biophysics, mathematics, and linguistics. This volume presents new research by those invited to speak at the conference. Is there any coverage of this symposion? I notice the assclown are still trying to paint the picture that this meeting was sponsored by Cornell, one of the top engineering schools in the country.  In fact the conference had zero to do with the school.  The IDiots merely rented some publicly available hall space there. With liars like that it's all about appearance, not substance. And I don't believe Cornell is near any of them. Church basements are also way cheaper. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

Joe G Posts: 12011 Joined: July 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,09:02    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 26 2012,23:37) Quote (sparc @ Feb. 26 2012,23:27) Is anybody aware of the upcoming Marks, Behe, Dembski, Sandford book Biological Information: New Perspectives. I wonder what drove Springer to publish it. Maybe because the title of the conference was simolar to those organized by the Novartis Foundation New Perspective series. You may want to reserve an online book review copy. According to the site you linked to it sells for $179 a pop.  That's an awful lot of scratch for a collection of the same idiotic bullshit and lies they've been peddling for the last 15 years. You know there will be idiots willing to pay these clowns to see the circus again.  It will be like how after L. Ron Hubbard died the Scientologists took random chapters from his various books, combined them, and published them as brand new undiscovered works. ETA:  I'll bet a bottle of single malt scotch the clowns still don't define "biological information". Biological information has been defined: Quote Biological specification always refers to function. An organism is a functional system comprising many functional subsystems. In virtue of their function, these systems embody patterns that are objectively given and can be identified independently of the systems that embody them. Hence these systems are specified in the same sense required by the complexity-specification criterion (see sections 1.3 and 2.5). The specification of organisms can be crashed out in any number of ways. Arno Wouters cashes it out globally in terms of the viability of whole organisms. Michael Behe cashes it out in terms of minimal function of biochemical systems.- Wm. Dembski page 148 of NFL In the preceding and proceeding paragraphs William Dembski makes it clear that biological specification is CSI- complex specified information. In the paper "The origin of biological information and the higher taxonomic categories", Stephen C. Meyer wrote: Quote Dembski (2002) has used the term “complex specified information” (CSI) as a synonym for “specified complexity” to help distinguish functional biological information from mere Shannon information--that is, specified complexity from mere complexity. This review will use this term as well. -------------- "Facts are Stupid"- Timothy Horton aka Occam's Afterbirth "Genetic mutations aren't mistakes"-ID and Timothy Horton Whales do not have tails. Water turns to ice via a molecular code-  Acartia bogart, TARD YEC is more coherent than materialism and it's bastard child, evolutionism

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,09:11    That's not a definition of 'biological information' JoeTard. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,09:15    [quote=Richardthughes,Feb. 27 2012,08:48] Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 27 2012,08:32) And I don't believe Cornell is near any of them. Church basements are also way cheaper. Sandford is the Cornell link: he's a "Courtesy Associate Professor". This does not rule out the the symposium having been run in a church basement. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,09:47    Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ Feb. 27 2012,07:55) [quote=Bob O'H,Feb. 27 2012,04:48] Bob, if it has gone to press it may be too late.  Besides, this will be nothing new, let ID have its little victory and concentrate on the more important thing (if rumors are to be believed). I don't want to stop it from being published, but there is the obvious suspicion that Springer are being duped (or worse), so it would be good to get the story straight. Mind you, this might be a good few months to bury news. -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,10:00    Quote (DiEb @ Feb. 25 2012,01:43) Do Materialists Believe Rape is Wrong? Short answer: yes, rape is wrong. Long answer: Barry, you disgusting prick, rape is wrong. Hard for his "materialist friends" to answer considering a) he doesn't have any and b) he's banned the materialists who would actually argue with him. -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

Robin Posts: 1431 Joined: Sep. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,10:15    Quote (DiEb @ Feb. 27 2012,04:01)   Quote DiEb February 27, 2012 at 3:40 am Your comment is awaiting moderation. It looks like the Darwinists other than ThoughtSpark have been struck dumb. I don’t think so – I assume that most of us believe that the question is just a provocation, and utterly malformed. But nevertheless, I will answer the question: Materialists generally believe that rape is wrong. Certainly there are various lines of reasoning to argue why materialists believe that rape is wrong, but there is no doubt that they believe it: there is no movement to promote rape in secular countries, rapists are despised and condemned in agnostic societies, etc. Sure. It's easy for a materialist to note rape is wrong. All a materialist has to note is that we feel empathy and do not <i>enjoy</i> making someone else feel the way rape makes a victim feel. It's that simple Barry. Oh...and because you're a dimbulb, we do indeed care about how others feel because we care about how we feel ourselves. See the definition of the word empathy dipbean. And no, it does not require some external source to feel empathy; it merely requires the mental perspective ability to place yourself in someone else's shoes, which most people learn as part of adolescence. ETA: Oh...and to answer Barry's question - that's easy too. Humans have the capacity to empathize about other humans; cross-species empathy is difficult if not impossible. Why? Because assigning human emotions, thoughts, and social perspectives to other species has been demonstrated to be inaccurate at best and outright erroneous at worst. Edited by Robin on Feb. 27 2012,10:26 -------------- we IDists rule in design for the flagellum and cilium largely because they do look designed.  Bilbo The only reason you reject Thor is because, like a cushion, you bear the imprint of the biggest arse that sat on you. Louis

Patrick Posts: 666 Joined: July 2011 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,10:37    Quote (Joe G @ Feb. 27 2012,10:14) Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ Feb. 27 2012,09:11) That's not a definition of 'biological information' JoeTard. Of course it is you fucking moron. I'm sure that Barry likes you to talk dirty when you're pitching to him, but we're trying to have a conversation here, dude.

DiEb Posts: 312 Joined: May 2008 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,10:42    That's the only description of the Cornell Symposium which I could find: http://www.soulcare.org/gsinew_....ce.html

Bob O'H Posts: 2564 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: Feb. 27 2012,10:56    Quote (DiEb @ Feb. 27 2012,10:42) That's the only description of the Cornell Symposium which I could find: http://www.soulcare.org/gsinew_....ce.html Hmm, I wonder who gave Presentation 2. And 5: Quote Session One May 31:  INFORMATION THEORY & BIOLOGY Presentation 1 - Biological information: what is it? Presentation 2 - A second look at the second law of thermodynamics Presentation 3 - Biological information and thermodynamics Presentation 4 - Multiple overlapping codes profoundly reduce the probability of beneficial mutation Presentation 5 - A General theory of information cost incurred by successful search Presentation 6 - Pragmatic information Presentation 7 - Limits of chaos and progress in evolutionary dynamics Presentation 8 - Tierra: the character of adaptation Session Two June 1:  BIOLOGICAL INFORMATION & GENETIC THEORY (Each presentation was followed by a time of Questions and Answers) Presentation   9 - Not Junk after all: non-protein-coding DNA carries extensive biological information Presentation 10 - Can biological information be sustained by purifying natural selection? Presentation 11 - Selection threshold severely constrains capture of beneficial mutations Presentation 12 - Computational evolution experiments reveal a net loss of  information despite selection Presentation 13 - Using numerical simulation to test the "mutation-count" hypothesis Presentation 14 - Can synergistic epistasis halt mutation accumulation?  Results from numerical simulation Presentation 15 - Striking architectural similarities between higher genomes and computer executable code Presentation 16 - Biocybernetics and biosemiosis Presentation 17 - Computer-like systems in the cell Session Three June 2:  THEORETICAL MOLECULAR BIOLOGY (Each presentation was followed by a time of Questions and Answers) Presentation 18 - Can genetic information be traced to a last universal common ancestor? Presentation 19 - A new model of intracellular communication based on coherent, high-frequency vibrations in biomolecules Presentation 20 - A multiplicity of memories: the semiotics of evolutionary adaptation Presentation 21 - The cost of substitution during concurrent substitutions and the Absent-Optimal Effect Presentation 22 - The membrane code: a carrier of essential information that is not specified by DNA and is inherited apart from it Presentation 23 - Measuring and analyzing functional information in proteins Presentation 24 - Getting there first: an evolutionary rate advantage for adaptive loss-of-function mutations -------------- It is fun to dip into the various threads to watch cluelessness at work in the hands of the confident exponent. - Soapy Sam (so say we all)

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