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Reluctant Cannibal



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2006,10:58   

Heads up, everyone -- dougp59 has posted his seven questions over in the rather inactive Intelligent Design forum. Lenny Flank has noticed them, but you might not if (like me) you generally just watch AtBC. I had a pop at one of the low-hanging fruit, because I'm not often first at the crime scene.

  
someotherguy



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2006,10:58   

AFDave is AtBC's resident Youn-Earth creationist.  His hilarious hijinx can be witnessed here.

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deadman_932



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2006,11:16   

Question 1: Can you show the transitional fossils that prove ANY of this?
***Note to Douglas Peterson: Science doesn't deal in absolute, immutable "truths". Math does. Ethanol deals with proof, too.  See this explanation: http://www.carlton.srsd119.ca/chemical/Proof/default.htm . Also, Douglas, just to anticipate your ignorant imminent response: your personal incredulity is meaningless in this, k?
Answer:  Yes, I can:
Fossils (hominid and other)
http://www.origins.org/articles/chien_explosionoflife.html (precambrian)
http://www.swcp.com/~diamond/trilobites.html (some precambrian)
http://www.dc.peachnet.edu/~pgore/geology/geo102/precamb.htm
http://www.tim-thompson.com/trans-fossils.html (transitionals)
http://www.holysmoke.org/tran-icr.htm (transitionals)
http://members.aol.com/darwinpage/transitionals.htm (transitionals)
http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/fossil_series.html (transitionals)
http://www.cmnh.org/dinoarch/2000Jul/msg00315.html (on the nature of transitions)

http://www.anth.ucsb.edu/links/pages/Physical_Anthropology/ (human)
http://www.indiana.edu/~origins/links/evolinks.html  
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/ances_start.html  
http://www.wsu.edu/gened....w1.html (human)  
http://www.stanford.edu/~harryg/protected/evolve5.htm (human)  
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/illustr.html (human)  
http://www.handprint.com/LS/ANC/evol.html (human)  
http://www.bioanth.org/ (human)  
http://doherty.ldgo.columbia.edu/~peter....ol.html (human)

http://intelligentdesign.edwardtbabinski.us/cow_evolution.html (cows and bats)
http://chem.tufts.edu/science/evolution/HorseEvolution.htm
http://darla.neoucom.edu/DEPTS/ANAT/whaleorigins.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_cetaceans
http://www.swcp.com/~diamond/trilobites.html
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Question 2 If we are prepared to say that an inference of intelligence detected from far away originating radio waves must be proof of intelligent life (the designer of the radio signal), then why is an inference of intelligence in complex living systems here on earth not proof of an intelligent designer of that complex system?
Answer See question 1 as to "proof" in science. Now, show me your evidence that led you to an inference and I'll weigh it in terms of logical justification. Got any, Douglas?
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Question 3 Given the large numbers of species in the fossil record extant in Cambrian fossil beds, explain why fossil beds beneath them are devoid of transitional fossils? What mechanism was responsible for this vast array of species suddenly appearing in the fossil record?
Answer: Obviously, you have no clue as to Vendian-Precambrian fossils, Douglas. Check the links I gave you above on the Precambrian and Ediacaran fauna as well as :http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/vendian/critters.html and http://www.palaeos.com/Ecology/Biota/Ediacara.html
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I'm already bored with this, Douglas.
You're typical of the simpletons that try to forward "ID" by attacking NeoDarwinian Evolution, Douglas,  as if your views are the default "answer"...even though you can't support ID with any actual evidence.
Shoo, Douglas, you're not even a good troll, you're just a lamentably average one. Shoo.

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stevestory



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2006,11:20   

Quote (Reluctant Cannibal @ Nov. 05 2006,16:58)
Heads up, everyone -- dougp59 has posted his seven questions over in the rather inactive Intelligent Design forum.

Where?

EDIT: Ah, I see.

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....=SF;f=2

And he was kind enough to create 8 new threads there for them. What a great guy.

   
Reluctant Cannibal



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2006,11:36   

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Where?

EDIT: Ah, I see.

http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin....=SF;f=2


My bad, I should have thought to do the link. Maybe I should have left the threads to die in peace. BTW, I think it's amusing that a YEC should naturally choose the "Intelligent Design" subforum for his ideas. Apparently he isn't fooled by the ID =/= creationism thing.

  
guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2006,11:48   

So whats this MArat-Sade then?  Please enlighten me.

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2006,11:57   

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So whats this MArat-Sade then?  Please enlighten me.


Ah, this is a job for Humanities Girl!

Marat-Sade (The Persecution and Assassination of Jean-Paul Marat As Performed By the Inmates Of The Asylum Of Charenton Under The Direction Of The Marquis De Sade) is a play by Peter Weiss (and a movie by Peter Brook). De Sade stages a play in the asylum in which he's been incarcerated of the French Revolution for a bunch of bourgeois hypocrites. Rent it and watch it--it's not to be missed. It's like Jean Genet on LSD.

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guthrie



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2006,13:30   

Ooooook, I could tell it was some kind of humanities cultural reference, but the only high culture I into is music- I was listening to some Rameau overtures this afternoon.  
I'm afraid it doesnt sound like anything I would want to watch, espcially since I dont know who Jean genet is either.

  
Kristine



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2006,16:49   

Whoa. Thanks for the link on AFDave, but I don't think I want to ride his bus all the way to his destination. Eeeeek.

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since I dont know who Jean genet is either


If you did, you wouldn't call it high culture! :D

Aw, come on, rent the movie. It's a scream, but ultimately political. It's got a young Glenda Jackson.

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Altabin



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 05 2006,20:58   

Quote (Kristine @ Nov. 06 2006,05:49)
Aw, come on, rent the movie. It's a scream, but ultimately political. It's got a young Glenda Jackson.

Funny, I've always imagined that in ID: The Movie, the middle-aged Glenda Jackson would play William Dembski.

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Henry J



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(Permalink) Posted: Nov. 06 2006,07:27   

Re "Science doesn't deal in absolute, immutable "truths". Math does. Ethanol deals with proof, too."

Of course, in math the proofs are relative to some set of axioms, which themselves were obtained by trial and error - i.e., experimentation (even if not physical experiment).

Re Ethanol "proof" - :p

  
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