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k.e..



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(Permalink) Posted: July 20 2014,08:54   

Life is a journey. Time is a river. The door is ajar and Gaulin's a bit.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 20 2014,08:58   

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I don't waste time on what is not needed, or matters.
Yes you do.  That's all you do.  You don't have valid definitions, standard usage of terms, comprehensible presentation, ideas that make sense, or supporting evidence that confirms the existence and efficacy of the controversial aspects of the phenomena that you assert, so your stuff is worthless.

     
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where it's standard practice to provide [a theory]
No it's not.  Although a theory can indeed result from a single publication (note, after general acceptance), standard scientific practice is (1) to provide logical operational definitions or follow standard usage, (2) to make and report new observations, and/or (3) to propose multiple working testable hypotheses, find ways to disproof them, obtain the required observations or run the required experiments as cleanly as possible, and (4) publish the results.  Theories emerge from that process.

     
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What someone else came up with for a definition is irrelevant to a theory of operation for a system being modeled. How that exact system works must be explained, not some other.
Wow, is that ever wrong (at least, when you lack adequate operational definitions).  Modelling on the basis of bad definitions means GIGO, castles built on sand.  As you show so often and so perfectly.

     
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Edgar's ideas might work for an Atheist looking for a religious view to feel intellectually fulfilled by, or someone looking for a strawman argument to use against the model and theory I use and defend.
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I write for people who need to know about David Heiserman's machine intelligence work, and what it's useful for.
OK, so you answered my third question by showing that you don't understand Postrado's claims either: thanks.  That aside, according to your own assertions and standards, since Heiserman's ideas and your own have been superseded by Postrado's more recent and broader "theory", it's now your responsibility to drop that and work on the new ideas, to accept Postrado's ideas until you can  disprove them or come up with a yet-better idea.  Again, according to you.

And how about poor old Bob Berenz?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 20 2014,21:18   

I found this (recommended by Bill Crofut) Lecture by Dr. Scott Minnich (UC Santa Barbara 2005) to be well worth the time studying:

Bacterial Flagella: A Paradigm for Design

That is an excellent example of the paradigm being properly used in science. It also helps explain why a biologically relevant Intelligence Design Lab model that self-learns (not left up to chance behavior) is something that can be taken seriously in science, while what some in this forum would rather dwell on only helps misrepresent serious science and scientists.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: July 20 2014,22:24   

You're invoking the flagellum?  Really?  One of ID's most notorious failures?  Yeah, go with that, GarGar.

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N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: July 20 2014,22:48   

Trying to distract and to move the goal posts again, hmmm?

So, how about Bob Berenz, and why don't your previous standards apply to Edgar Postrado's ideas?

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 20 2014,22:54   

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You're invoking the flagellum?  Really?  One of ID's most notorious failures?  Yeah, go with that, GarGar.

No I'm not "invoking the flagellum", dimiwit, we're studying switch sensors directly addressing DNA memory and other system biology related theory that you have no need for in religious politics.

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didymos



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(Permalink) Posted: July 20 2014,23:19   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 20 2014,20:54)
Quote (didymos @ July 20 2014,22:24)
You're invoking the flagellum?  Really?  One of ID's most notorious failures?  Yeah, go with that, GarGar.

No I'm not "invoking the flagellum", dimiwit, we're studying switch sensors directly addressing DNA memory and other system biology related theory that you have no need for in religious politics.

Gary, I'm beginning to think you're one of those feral children who didn't acquire language early enough.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,00:02   

Quote (N.Wells @ July 20 2014,22:48)
Trying to distract and to move the goal posts again, hmmm?

So, how about Bob Berenz, and why don't your previous standards apply to Edgar Postrado's ideas?

Your standards just elevated Edgar Postrado to new spokesperson for serious researchers, which in turn moved the goalposts to a field maybe in Japan none like Denis Noble even heard of, or would want to be at to discuss Atheism related issues.

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NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,06:51   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 20 2014,23:54)
Quote (didymos @ July 20 2014,22:24)
You're invoking the flagellum?  Really?  One of ID's most notorious failures?  Yeah, go with that, GarGar.

No I'm not "invoking the flagellum", dimiwit, we're studying switch sensors directly addressing DNA memory and other system biology related theory that you have no need for in religious politics.

False to fact in almost uncountably many ways.
DNA is not memory.
'Switch sensors' is incoherent.  Switches are not sensors and sensors are not switches.
Sensors in the biological sense do not directly address memory in any sense.  Least of all in the sense of RAM you so painfully abuse.
etc.

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,06:53   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2014,01:02)
Quote (N.Wells @ July 20 2014,22:48)
Trying to distract and to move the goal posts again, hmmm?

So, how about Bob Berenz, and why don't your previous standards apply to Edgar Postrado's ideas?

Your standards just elevated Edgar Postrado to new spokesperson for serious researchers, which in turn moved the goalposts to a field maybe in Japan none like Denis Noble even heard of, or would want to be at to discuss Atheism related issues.

No, I rather think you've just done that.
Finally found the 'right' response to someone with a newer "theory" than yours, more publications, equally incoherent prose, and the ultimate answer to one of your more absurd 'challenges'.

The goal posts remain firmly fixed where they always have been.  You're playing jump rope while whining about the placement of goalposts.
And you continually get your feet tangled in the ropes, raising your ire against those pesky goalposts.
You're a lunatic, Gary.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,08:16   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2014,00:02)
 
Quote (N.Wells @ July 20 2014,22:48)
Trying to distract and to move the goal posts again, hmmm?

So, how about Bob Berenz, and why don't your previous standards apply to Edgar Postrado's ideas?

Your standards just elevated Edgar Postrado to new spokesperson for serious researchers, which in turn moved the goalposts to a field maybe in Japan none like Denis Noble even heard of, or would want to be at to discuss Atheism related issues.

Hogwash.  MY standards justify dismissing Edgar for exactly the same reasons that they justify dismissing you.  It's YOUR standards that cause a problem, FOR YOU.  My standards make Edgar into a mirror for you, if you had the wit to look.

And what's your advice for poor old Bob?

  
NoName



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,08:28   

We should perhaps be more directly helpful to Gary in his time of woe.

Take a couple of free hints Gary.  You should look for work as a goal-post mover, or as a washer of hogs.
You lack the eloquence to be a paid political hack, although you score high marks in dissembling and dishonesty.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,10:07   

On Behe & the flagellum:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archive....si.html

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,17:06   

Quote (N.Wells @ July 21 2014,10:07)
On Behe & the flagellum:
http://www.pandasthumb.org/archive....si.html

The goalposts are at:

Bacterial Flagella: A Paradigm for Design

Stop moving them please.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,17:26   

Quote (N.Wells @ July 20 2014,08:58)
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where it's standard practice to provide [a theory]
No it's not.  Although a theory can indeed result from a single publication (note, after general acceptance), standard scientific practice is (1) to provide logical operational definitions or follow standard usage, (2) to make and report new observations, and/or (3) to propose multiple working testable hypotheses, find ways to disproof them, obtain the required observations or run the required experiments as cleanly as possible, and (4) publish the results.  Theories emerge from that process.

N.Wells is simply trying to change the scientific use of the word "theory" so that the goalposts are no longer in science and engineering:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki....eration

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,17:33   

No, Gary.  That's you again.  You've gone definition shopping and found something you think supports you.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
GaryGaulin



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,17:40   

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No, Gary.  That's you again.  You've gone definition shopping and found something you think supports you.

Explain what a Theory Of Operation is, what it is for, and where you find them published.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,17:55   

(In a David Attenborough voice)

And here we see the Gaulin exhibiting the tell-tale behaviour of a creature that has no idea what 'moving the goalposts' means, and yet is tragically unable to resist employing the baffling idiom as a chimpanzee might wield an electric razor.

  
N.Wells



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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,18:15   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2014,17:26)
     
Quote (N.Wells @ July 20 2014,08:58)
       
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where it's standard practice to provide [a theory]
No it's not.  Although a theory can indeed result from a single publication (note, after general acceptance), standard scientific practice is (1) to provide logical operational definitions or follow standard usage, (2) to make and report new observations, and/or (3) to propose multiple working testable hypotheses, find ways to disproof them, obtain the required observations or run the required experiments as cleanly as possible, and (4) publish the results.  Theories emerge from that process.

N.Wells is simply trying to change the scientific use of the word "theory" so that the goalposts are no longer in science and engineering:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki.......eration

A) That doesn't change what standard practice is.
B)  Hogwash.  (Again.)  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki......._theory for scientific use of the word "theory" (the entry is for "scientific theory")
C) How about poor old Bob?

(However, yes, I did shift goal posts a little by shifting from bacterial flagella to the very different eukaryotic flagella that Behe discussed.  Nonetheless, this is a tiny shift relative to what you did in trying to bring in discussion of flagella in order to evade your failings as mirrored by Postrado and Berenz, plus your errors regarding standard practice, scientific theories, and so on and so forth.)

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,18:20   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2014,17:40)
Quote (didymos @ July 21 2014,17:33)
No, Gary.  That's you again.  You've gone definition shopping and found something you think supports you.

Explain what a Theory Of Operation is, what it is for, and where you find them published.

"Theory" has different meanings in different contexts.  Do think that it means the same the same thing in the phrase "music theory" as it does in the phrase "germ theory of disease"?

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,19:50   

Quote (Jim_Wynne @ July 21 2014,18:20)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2014,17:40)
 
Quote (didymos @ July 21 2014,17:33)
No, Gary.  That's you again.  You've gone definition shopping and found something you think supports you.

Explain what a Theory Of Operation is, what it is for, and where you find them published.

"Theory" has different meanings in different contexts.  Do think that it means the same the same thing in the phrase "music theory" as it does in the phrase "germ theory of disease"?

'When I use a word,' Gary said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,20:24   

If that were true, it might actually be an improvement over the present situation, where Gary's inconsistencies with English have beaten his thinking to a senseless pulp.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,20:30   

The theory I write is a privilege reserved for working systems that are ready for use. That is being denied by goalposts constantly being moved to theory where there is no working system ready for use, and by changing the subject to strawman arguments that ignore the fact that a model that proved it works already exist.

Not being able to follow standard practice is a symptom of science being sabotaged by religious politics, that stem from the theory in question being for a computer model of a system able to demonstrate how the phenomenon of "intelligent cause" works.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,21:54   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2014,20:30)
The theory I write is a privilege reserved for working systems that are ready for use. That is being denied by goalposts constantly being moved to theory where there is no working system ready for use, and by changing the subject to strawman arguments that ignore the fact that a model that proved it works already exist.

Not being able to follow standard practice is a symptom of science being sabotaged by religious politics, that stem from the theory in question being for a computer model of a system able to demonstrate how the phenomenon of "intelligent cause" works.

Case in point.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,22:11   

Quote (Woodbine @ July 21 2014,15:55)
(In a David Attenborough voice)

And here we see the Gaulin exhibiting the tell-tale behaviour of a creature that has no idea what 'moving the goalposts' means, and yet is tragically unable to resist employing the baffling idiom as a chimpanzee might wield an electric razor.

Canuck version:

BG: "Hinterland Who's Who" theme

Narrator: For a more complete story on the Pencil-Necked Geek, why not contact the Canadian Wildlife Service in Ottawa.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,22:14   

Quote (Texas Teach @ July 21 2014,17:50)
Quote (Jim_Wynne @ July 21 2014,18:20)
Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2014,17:40)
 
Quote (didymos @ July 21 2014,17:33)
No, Gary.  That's you again.  You've gone definition shopping and found something you think supports you.

Explain what a Theory Of Operation is, what it is for, and where you find them published.

"Theory" has different meanings in different contexts.  Do think that it means the same the same thing in the phrase "music theory" as it does in the phrase "germ theory of disease"?

'When I use a word,' Gary said in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.'

Humpty Dumpty was actually pretty clever, though.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,22:48   

After producing no evidence at all of a problem with the model and theory the critics resort to snotty insults.

Scientifically unethical behavior is normal for this forum. But that's what happens when science is this totally against them.

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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,23:10   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 21 2014,20:48)
After producing no evidence at all of a problem with the model and theory the critics resort to snotty insults.

Scientifically unethical behavior is normal for this forum. But that's what happens when science is this totally against them.

Gary, you're not supposed to keep playing "Pretend" all your life.

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I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron
Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 21 2014,23:42   

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After producing no evidence at all of a problem with the model and theory .... science is this totally against them.

Being in denial and delusional make for a particularly toxic stew - you have yet to respond adequately to any of the problems documented in your rubbish over the hundreds of pages of this thread.

  
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(Permalink) Posted: July 22 2014,06:42   

Quote (GaryGaulin @ July 22 2014,04:48)
After producing no evidence at all of a problem with the model and theory the critics resort to snotty insults.

Absolutely, Gary.

The preceding 8 years of everybody, everywhere flagging up exactly the same problems with your 'theory' was just a strange dream.

Next stop Stockholm!

  
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