Ftk
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| Quote (OgreMkV @ Aug. 19 2011,15:54) | | Quote (Ftk @ Aug. 19 2011,15:17) | | Quote | | 'God would never do such a thing', why not? |
According to scripture, it doesn't follow that God would have us eat human babies.
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It doesn't matter. If God CAN, then he CAN. If he WOULD NOT, for whatever reason, then there is a higher moral authority than God.
This isn't apologetics or even scripture. It's simply the results of your statement.
If God can and he does and it becomes morally acceptable, then God is the ultimate source of morality.
If God can and he does not, then there is a reason. I would submit that the reason is that God feels that killing and eating babies is not morally acceptable, which means He is following a moral path that is not of His own making. (remember the first point?)
If God can't, then He's not who you think He is.
Of course, as OM mentioned, this is all a moot discussion because God doesn't exist as a real thing. He only exists in your mind and it is impossible for you (or anyone) to tell the difference between God talking to you, Satan talking to you, drug induced religious experience and ritual induced religious experience.
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You can pull text out of context, etc.. But, in the instance when God demanded the death of an entire city, we learn from history that the tradition of child sacrifice was alive and well among many other deplorable acts. Hence, it doesn't stand to reason that God would in an instance demand us to "eat human babies". This is kinda a ridiculous way to try to demand that God doesn't hold moral authority.
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Again, you are going AGAINST what God said and did. Think about what you said for example.
Those blood sacrifices that you find 'deplorable' were REQUIRED BY GOD. Therefore you find God deplorable.
Let me ask you... has God changed?
If he has, then he wasn't perfect to begin with. If he has not, then why do you worship a deplorable monster?
Are you beginning to see (hah!)?
ANY WAY you look at God, he is either useless, irrelevant, or a despicable monster. Why would you worship that?
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| Quote | | If God is all-powerful and the ultimate moral authority, then WHATEVER he does is moral and automatically correct, right? |
Uh, yeah.
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This just proves my point. Thanks.
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| Quote | | From wiping out nearly all life on the planet in a flood, to turning a woman into a pillar of salt for disobeying. Everything he does is right and correct. |
Uh, yeah.
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The rest of this is making excuses for God's behavior. You have stated that "Everything He does is right and correct."
Therefore, your proper response if God comes to you and says you must kill and eat human children is "Pass the ketchup". Any other response is going against God.
YOU are not the ultimate judge of moral authority in your world. God is.
So if a preacher claims that God said to 'kill the gays'... your first thought should be, 'where'd I put that ammunition'. Anything else is going against God. Remember, it's NOT what YOU think. You are mortal and fallible... it's what God wants.
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We weren't there and have no idea what all the circumstances were or why it was mandatory that these situations took place as they did. Men kill people of all gender, shape, size, color in war every single day. Does that make them immoral? No. We don't look at it in the same way as when someone commits a drive by shooting. You have to be able to wrap your head around that and the circumstance that took place in ancient history.
| Quote | | Then why couldn't he make a rule that says you have to eat human babies? |
Well, He could,
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and then killing and eating human babies would be the correct and moral thing to do... in your world.
Again, everything after this is what YOU think and YOUR interpretation.
Again, YOU don't matter. If God is the ultimate moral authority, then you have no place objecting to what he does.
If God says it, and you don't do it, you are rejecting God. It doesn't matter if he would or would not do this thing. The question is "IF" God does this, what would you do.
You either agree with God that this is now moral or you reject God because of that.
I believe, that you would reject a God that required you to eat babies. Why do you not reject a God that requires blood sacrifice? Why do you not reject a God that requires infinite punishment for finite crimes? Why do you not reject a God that approves of slavery, rape, child slavery, etc. etc. etc?
I think the simple reason is that you, like 99% of all Christians, really don't understand what their God is. They go to church, because that's what you do on Sunday's. It may even make you feel good. Well, you can get that same feeling in a quality yoga class or with a light application of psychotropic drugs.
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but doesn't follow from anything I've ever read that He ever would. As I said, there would have to be a damn good reason for it. I can't think of any due to the fact that human babies, as we know them, can't cause any detrimental harm. Could they be subject to death due to war? Sure. Should we be demanded to eat them? Nothing I've ever read would indicate that God would demand that.
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Doesn't matter. Either you follow God completely or you reject him. Again, I think you would reject him.
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| Quote | | If 'God would never do such a thing', it can only be because there is a moral authority that even God must follow.* Therefore he is not all-powerful. |
see above.
| Quote | | You have indeed acknowledged that God would never do something, there must be a reason and that reason is very simply, because it is wrong to eat human babies. Other species do it all the time, why don't humans? Oh wait, some humans DO eat babies and they are considered monsters. |
see above.
| Quote | | Here's a hint, it's not because of 'God' that eating babies is wrong. |
Cannibals don't think so. Know a guy from our church who worked in a cannibal village for many years. He worked at helping them understand that with God <as I know Him> eating people is immoral.
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No, he worked with the cannibals because HE believes that eating people is immoral.
Take a look in the Bible... there is nothing on cannibalism in there... except for that fact that you eat Jesus of Nazareth and drink his blood.
You see, God actually approves of cannibalism.
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| Quote | | * What, of course, is really interesting is how God's morality HAS changed over the course of the Bible and the course of history. After all, I think you would agree that slavery is wrong, yet your God set down rules for how one should beat one's slaves. See, even you disagree with God. |
God didn't give any mandates that people should have slaves. They had them...God set rules for how to treat them. People work for other people today too, and there are rules for how to treat their employers. Free will has always existed. At the time of Moses, God was trying to rein in on corruption and lead them to stay away from surrounding tribes that were carrying out abhorrent practices. |
Is it moral or not to hold slaves?
If it is immoral, then why didn't God say "let them go"? No, what he said was, "you can beat the shit out of them as long as they can walk three days later".
Great moral compass there.
Now that we've settled that...
How about that evidence of ID? How about showing that you actually have a clue about anything related to Biology?
I know you would rather talk about this kind of thing, but I don't think you should. You only think you have the high moral ground here. You don't.
All snarkiness and rudeness aside. I really encourage you to think about what I've said here.
If God says it, then either you agree with Him and follow Him or you don't. That's very clear in the Bible.
YOU, FtK, have a moral compass that is set by today's society and our culture. YOU know that eating babies, slavery, and other atrocities like that are wrong.
What you need to realize is that God is directly responsible for many of the atrocities that you think are wrong. And it's not interpretation or anything like that. It's stated very plainly as God's word in the Bible.
Now, again, if God doesn't exist, then YOU are correct and those things are indeed wrong. If God does exist, then he supported those practices in the past and he is supporting them today. Why do you think the chance of being a child molester is double in the priesthood than it is all other areas of our society?
Likewise, there are a lot of loud Christians that are VERY, VERY supportive of killing gay people and killing abortion doctors and denying women the right to control their own bodies. Some of the Christians have even killed people.
You ARE associated with them. These are your people. It doesn't matter if you think they aren't Christians. They are claiming that moral authority and they are doing it loudly to anyone who will listen. And other Christians are agreeing with them... even if only silently. Silence is agreement. If you aren't actively speaking out against this kind of thing, then you support it.
I'd think really carefully about who I support in this day and age. And I really suggest you make no claims about who you think I support.
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Wow, I totally missed this one...no clue where to even begin...sheesh.
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"Evolution is a creationism and just as illogical [as] the other pantheistic creation myths" -forastero
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