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sparc Posts: 2088 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 16 2014,23:11    Does Edgar Postrado deserve his own thread? I only took notice of him because News displayed the following picture in one of her latest posts: He actually offers additional Kindle titles at Amazon     Quote The New Intelligent Design, Turning The Scientific World Upside Down Physics of Intelligent Design Philosophy Of Intelligent Design Atheism and Intelligent Design Intelligent Design must explain Psychology Of Intelligent Design He has some videos at youtube. In this one he explains what distinguishes his "new ID" from Behe's and Dembski's "old" ID. He says ID doesn't require IC or CSI because   Quote it is intelligent design . Looking forward to see his publications in Bio-Complexity soon. -------------- "[...] the type of information we find in living systems is beyond the creative means of purely material processes [...] Who or what is such an ultimate source of information? [...] from a theistic perspective, such an information source would presumably have to be God." - William Dembski -

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 16 2014,23:50    Byers breaks it down re: space: Quote There simply is nothing interesting to do in space anymore with present abilities. mars is too far and the sun too hot. what to do? Maybe the first woman on the moon or a colony on a asteroid?! Nothing too do and so to keep public money acoming maybe SPACE ALIENS search lights is the ticket. I can think of something interesting to do in space with a certain UD commenter.  Pretty sure you're not allowed to do that with the airlocks though. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

socle Posts: 322 Joined: July 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 16 2014,23:54    Quote (sparc @ July 16 2014,23:11) Does Edgar Postrado deserve his own thread? From his description for The New Intelligent Design, Turning The Scientific World Upside Down: Quote This is my public report to scientific community and to the world about my new discoveries in real intelligence and real Intelligent Design. This is probably an unconventional way of publishing scientific discoveries instead of peer-reviews in scientific journals. Though I tried submitting some articles twice and failed but most of the contents of his book were adversarially reviewed and severely criticized in many online scientific discussion forums by many resident scientists on that forums. Since the new discoveries are still unbeaten and unrefuted, thus, I have more confidence that my new discoveries are scientifically correct and sound, thus, I am publishing them here in this book. A book is a very logical answer for me to explain all of the details of my new discoveries. Thank you. How many other ID 'researchers' could tell the same story?

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2014,00:12    Quote (socle @ July 16 2014,23:54) Quote (sparc @ July 16 2014,23:11) Does Edgar Postrado deserve his own thread? From his description for The New Intelligent Design, Turning The Scientific World Upside Down:   Quote This is my public report to scientific community and to the world about my new discoveries in real intelligence and real Intelligent Design. This is probably an unconventional way of publishing scientific discoveries instead of peer-reviews in scientific journals. Though I tried submitting some articles twice and failed but most of the contents of his book were adversarially reviewed and severely criticized in many online scientific discussion forums by many resident scientists on that forums. Since the new discoveries are still unbeaten and unrefuted, thus, I have more confidence that my new discoveries are scientifically correct and sound, thus, I am publishing them here in this book. A book is a very logical answer for me to explain all of the details of my new discoveries. Thank you. How many other ID 'researchers' could tell the same story? Not only couldn't he get peer-review, he couldn't even get a proofreader. -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2014,00:48    You know who he needs to get in touch with... I love the smell of folie a deux in the morning. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

didymos Posts: 1828 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2014,01:22    Yeah, this guy is basically Gary Gaulin's doppelganger. -------------- I wouldn't be bothered reading about the selfish gene because it has never been identified. -- Denyse O'Leary, professional moron Again "how much". I don't think that's a good way to be quantitative.-- gpuccio

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2014,05:25    Edgar Postrado is a regular poster at the CARM Evolution and Intelligent Design board under the handle "winfield".  The guy is your typical internet crackpot - ignorant as a sack of doorknobs, arrogant and insulting, constantly pimping his book.  Think of a cross between Byers and "human shitstain" Sal Cordova. No link provided since CARM requires you to be a registered member to view their Secular boards.  They have quite a collection of YEC shameless liars and assholes who have free run of the board while pro-science folks get censored or suspended regularly.  Apparently CARM management doesn't want any casual lurkers to see just how hypocritical their Mods are. -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

timothya Posts: 280 Joined: April 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2014,06:57    DavidD: Quote Graham2 – “I may find it convenient to eat babies, but this will kill off my genes.” You could always consider practicing another evolutionary strategy for spreading one’s DNA, try rape. But make sure you perform the strategy well outside of your natural habitat like in a foreign country. If caught and arrested, in court you could always cite the scientific literature which actually extends all the way back to the 1990s. Claim you were a under privileged male of low social status and couldn’t help yourself because your selfish genes made you do it. Perhaps you could try this in a more progressive enlightened country like secularist Norway where a mass murder of 84 innocent people got only 21 years for something that really was beyond his control. Yup. He is is shaping up in the tard stakes. -------------- "In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread." Anatole France

fusilier Posts: 252 Joined: Feb. 2003 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2014,09:46    Quote (Occam's Aftershave @ July 17 2014,06:25) Edgar Postrado is a regular poster at the CARM Evolution and Intelligent Design board under the handle "winfield".  The guy is your typical internet crackpot - ignorant as a sack of doorknobs, arrogant and insulting, constantly pimping his book.  Think of a cross between Byers and "human shitstain" Sal Cordova. No link provided since CARM requires you to be a registered member to view their Secular boards.  They have quite a collection of YEC shameless liars and assholes who have free run of the board while pro-science folks get censored or suspended regularly.  Apparently CARM management doesn't want any casual lurkers to see just how hypocritical their Mods are. What Occam's Aftershave Said. He's posted as "winner" and "winfield."  Some of his ...exercises... involve poking rats with peanut-butter-coated sticks, or dropping raw eggs onto layers of toilet paper. Therefore Jesus. To be fair, I don't think that he's anywhere near Sal on the Nasty Bastard scale. -------------- fusilier James 2:24

Woodbine Posts: 1218 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2014,10:14    He's definitely got the face for a newsflash. As already noted his Amazon autobiography demonstrates Gaulinesque levels of delusion. I think a collaboration is in order!

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 17 2014,10:15    Quote Psychology Of Intelligent Design They could use some professional help on that one! Where's Bob Newhart when you need him? Quote Intelligent Design must explain Yeah, it must, but don't hold your breath!

Texas Teach Posts: 2084 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,00:57    Quote (Woodbine @ July 17 2014,10:14) He's definitely got the face for a newsflash. As already noted his Amazon autobiography demonstrates Gaulinesque levels of delusion. I think a collaboration is in order! He was born with a Civil Engineering degree? -------------- "Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr "I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

DaveH Posts: 49 Joined: July 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,02:42    Quote (Texas Teach @ July 18 2014,00:57) He was born with a Civil Engineering degree? Well, it was pre-loaded into his DNA. Checkmate! etc

BillB Posts: 388 Joined: Aug. 2009 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,05:24    Quote (DaveH @ July 18 2014,08:42) Quote (Texas Teach @ July 18 2014,00:57) He was born with a Civil Engineering degree? Well, it was pre-loaded into his DNA. Checkmate! etc It is an inherited condition.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,08:25    Quote (BillB @ July 18 2014,13:24) Quote (DaveH @ July 18 2014,08:42) Quote (Texas Teach @ July 18 2014,00:57) He was born with a Civil Engineering degree? Well, it was pre-loaded into his DNA. Checkmate! etc It is an inherited condition. He designs roads to nowhere. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,11:25    Quote (k.e.. @ July 18 2014,06:25) Quote (BillB @ July 18 2014,13:24) Quote (DaveH @ July 18 2014,08:42)   Quote (Texas Teach @ July 18 2014,00:57) He was born with a Civil Engineering degree? Well, it was pre-loaded into his DNA. Checkmate! etc It is an inherited condition. He designs roads to nowhere. So just another talking head, then. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Kantian Naturalist Posts: 72 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,11:26    Have any of you noticed the massive amount of nonsense from Barry Arrington lately on "metaphysical naturalism," including a grotesque misreading of Nietzsche and loudly appealing to Barry's own five minutes of fame for his involvement in aftermath of the Columbine shooting?   After sixty posts of bullshit, Reciprocating Bill decides he's had enough and lays it all down.  It's a thing of beauty to be read here.

JohnW Posts: 3217 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,11:45    Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ July 18 2014,09:26) Have any of you noticed the massive amount of nonsense from Barry Arrington lately on "metaphysical naturalism," including a grotesque misreading of Nietzsche and loudly appealing to Barry's own five minutes of fame for his involvement in aftermath of the Columbine shooting?   After sixty posts of bullshit, Reciprocating Bill decides he's had enough and lays it all down.  It's a thing of beauty to be read here. Barry's been banging the "without the fear of divine punishment, we'd all be psychopaths" drum for years.  I'm willing to accept that it's true for Barry. -------------- Math is just a language of reality. Its a waste of time to know it. - Robert Byers There isn't any probability that the letter d is in the word "mathematics"...  The correct answer would be "not even 0" - JoeG

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,12:22    Quote (JohnW @ July 18 2014,11:45) Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ July 18 2014,09:26) Have any of you noticed the massive amount of nonsense from Barry Arrington lately on "metaphysical naturalism," including a grotesque misreading of Nietzsche and loudly appealing to Barry's own five minutes of fame for his involvement in aftermath of the Columbine shooting?   After sixty posts of bullshit, Reciprocating Bill decides he's had enough and lays it all down.  It's a thing of beauty to be read here. Barry's been banging the "without the fear of divine punishment, we'd all be psychopaths" drum for years.  I'm willing to accept that it's true for Barry. I think this argument is diagnostic of psychopathy. No one capable of empathy would see any merit in this argument. But then, Barry is a lawyer and bill collector, so this is all redundant. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Kantian Naturalist Posts: 72 Joined: Mar. 2013 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,14:15    Thing is, the question as to why we should not desensitize ourselves to empathetic connections is actually not a bad question.  It's a very deep and important question, in fact.   There's been some recent literature suggesting that sociopaths are more likely to rise to positions of power and affluence than others.   As for deliberately inducing sociopathy - well, the SS were notorious for their techniques of quashing feelings of empathy -- Himmler's Posen speeches are a nice example of this kind of rhetoric.  But I don't think anyone at UD has enough basic grasp of psychology, sociology, political science and history to even begin thinking about the question in a helpful way.   Their grasp of the social sciences is about as strong as their grasp of the natural sciences, which is why every thread eventually devolves into the minutiae of Biblical hermeneutics.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,14:20    He's on a very boring, points scoring exercise. He doesn't want to discuss the issues, just beat you down with age old apologetic soundbites. Worst kind of lawyering. -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,14:27    Quote (Kantian Naturalist @ July 18 2014,14:15) Thing is, the question as to why we should not desensitize ourselves to empathetic connections is actually not a bad question.  It's a very deep and important question, in fact.   There's been some recent literature suggesting that sociopaths are more likely to rise to positions of power and affluence than others.   As for deliberately inducing sociopathy - well, the SS were notorious for their techniques of quashing feelings of empathy -- Himmler's Posen speeches are a nice example of this kind of rhetoric.  But I don't think anyone at UD has enough basic grasp of psychology, sociology, political science and history to even begin thinking about the question in a helpful way.   Their grasp of the social sciences is about as strong as their grasp of the natural sciences, which is why every thread eventually devolves into the minutiae of Biblical hermeneutics. MDs have to desensitize themselves to suffering. Particularly surgeons. You can't be an effective doctor if you are personally crushed by other people's pain. But that assumes a reduction in something that was there, not the absence of the ability to empathize. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,15:27    Quote MDs have to desensitize themselves to suffering. Particularly surgeons. Which is kind of ironic, considering that a primary goal of their profession is to minimize suffering, especially in the long term.

midwifetoad Posts: 4003 Joined: Mar. 2008 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,15:36    Quote (Henry J @ July 18 2014,15:27) Quote MDs have to desensitize themselves to suffering. Particularly surgeons. Which is kind of ironic, considering that a primary goal of their profession is to minimize suffering, especially in the long term. Ironic, maybe, but not really an special case. Parents have to desensitize themselves to things like tantrums in order not to raise manipulative kids. There are lots of things about human behavior that are counterintuitive. -------------- Any version of ID consistent with all the evidence is indistinguishable from evolution.

Driver Posts: 649 Joined: June 2011 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,17:57    Quote (fnxtr @ July 18 2014,16:25) Quote (k.e.. @ July 18 2014,06:25) Quote (BillB @ July 18 2014,13:24)   Quote (DaveH @ July 18 2014,08:42)   Quote (Texas Teach @ July 18 2014,00:57) He was born with a Civil Engineering degree? Well, it was pre-loaded into his DNA. Checkmate! etc It is an inherited condition. He designs roads to nowhere. So just another talking head, then. He's got puzzlin evidence. -------------- Why would I concern myself with evidence, when IMO "evidence" is only the mind arranging thought and matter to support what one already wishes to believe? - William J Murray [A]t this time a forum like this one is nothing less than a national security risk. - Gary Gaulin

fnxtr Posts: 3504 Joined: June 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 18 2014,18:07    Quote (Driver @ July 18 2014,15:57) Quote (fnxtr @ July 18 2014,16:25) Quote (k.e.. @ July 18 2014,06:25)   Quote (BillB @ July 18 2014,13:24)   Quote (DaveH @ July 18 2014,08:42)     Quote (Texas Teach @ July 18 2014,00:57) He was born with a Civil Engineering degree? Well, it was pre-loaded into his DNA. Checkmate! etc It is an inherited condition. He designs roads to nowhere. So just another talking head, then. He's got puzzlin evidence. Same as it ever was. -------------- "[A] book said there were 5 trillion witnesses. Who am I supposed to believe, 5 trillion witnesses or you? That shit's, like, ironclad. " -- stevestory "Wow, you must be retarded. I said that CO2 does not trap heat. If it did then it would not cool down at night."  Joe G

Lou FCD Posts: 5455 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 19 2014,07:30    Quote (fnxtr @ July 18 2014,19:07) Quote (Driver @ July 18 2014,15:57) Quote (fnxtr @ July 18 2014,16:25)   Quote (k.e.. @ July 18 2014,06:25)   Quote (BillB @ July 18 2014,13:24)     Quote (DaveH @ July 18 2014,08:42)     Quote (Texas Teach @ July 18 2014,00:57) He was born with a Civil Engineering degree? Well, it was pre-loaded into his DNA. Checkmate! etc It is an inherited condition. He designs roads to nowhere. So just another talking head, then. He's got puzzlin evidence. Same as it ever was. I wonder if he asks himself, "Well...How did I get here?" -------------- “Why do creationists have such a hard time with commas? Linky“. ~ Steve Story, Legend

N.Wells Posts: 1836 Joined: Oct. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: July 19 2014,12:44    Back to Edgar Postrada for a moment: according to him, the contributions that he and his ideas on intelligent design make to physics alone are quite impressive:     Quote The world needs a new science new and explanations. This is it! This is the book that will settle most, if not all, unsolved mysteries in Physics, Quantum Mechanics, Astronomy, Cosmology and their related fields, as seen from the side of Intelligent Design and from reality. The Intelligent Design that you will be reading here, that will explain many unsolved mysteries in Physics, is the new Intelligent Design that is too far different from the old Intelligent Design (ID). The big difference is that the old ID has no definition of the real intelligence and no categorization method to differentiate between a naturally made object (naturen) to intelligently designed object (intellen). (The old ID talks about “complexity”, “information”, “specified complexity”, “irreducible complexity” and “complex specified information” and the old ID did not even touch “intelligence”). (From http://www.amazon.com/Physics....GZCZYJY ) Unfortunately for him, there's an interesting review of that particular book at http://www.amazon.com/Physics....oints=1

Occam's Aftershave Posts: 5287 Joined: Feb. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: July 19 2014,14:43    Quote (N.Wells @ July 19 2014,12:44) Back to Edgar Postrada for a moment: according to him, the contributions that he and his ideas on intelligent design make to physics alone are quite impressive:         Quote The world needs a new science new and explanations. This is it! This is the book that will settle most, if not all, unsolved mysteries in Physics, Quantum Mechanics, Astronomy, Cosmology and their related fields, as seen from the side of Intelligent Design and from reality. The Intelligent Design that you will be reading here, that will explain many unsolved mysteries in Physics, is the new Intelligent Design that is too far different from the old Intelligent Design (ID). The big difference is that the old ID has no definition of the real intelligence and no categorization method to differentiate between a naturally made object (naturen) to intelligently designed object (intellen). (The old ID talks about “complexity”, “information”, “specified complexity”, “irreducible complexity” and “complex specified information” and the old ID did not even touch “intelligence”). (From http://www.amazon.com/Physics....GZCZYJY ) Unfortunately for him, there's an interesting review of that particular book at http://www.amazon.com/Physics....oints=1 What's really funny is that he's cut the price on the Kindle Edition of all his "<id>" books to $0.00 and still hasn't sold any. He can't even give the idiot thing away.         -------------- "CO2 can't re-emit any trapped heat unless all the molecules point the right way" "All the evidence supports Creation baraminology" "If it required a mind, planning and design, it isn't materialistic." "Jews and Christians are Muslims." - Joke "Sharon" Gallien, world's dumbest YEC.

CeilingCat Posts: 2363 Joined: Dec. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: July 19 2014,21:47    $0.00 is the price you pay if you subscribe to the new KindleUnlimited service for $9.99 a month.  That ten-spot gives you free access to "over 600,000" books. If this is an example of those books, Amazon is not going to sell very many KindleUnlimited memberships.

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