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k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2009,23:04    Code Sample Poor guy. Yeah lucky he's not a dog. He'd be on a one way trip to the vet. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2009,23:14    tardilicious Quote 81 jerry 03/28/2009 10:39 pm “Do you have a better way of getting across the idea of accumulation of information through selection? If so, then out with it.” There is no accumulation of information through selection that I have ever seen so how could I present a better way to an example I am not aware of. Maybe you should present an/the instance. We would all be interested. It would be a first, since I am not aware of even Dawkins ever doing so. ....erm Jerry. The other information, remember? Function. Do you have a better way of getting across the idea of accumulation of information function through selection? If so, then out with it.” .....Multi tasking yur not doin it rite. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Thought Provoker Posts: 530 Joined: April 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 28 2009,23:38    FYI, I sent Joe a comment asking him once again about the "information content" of a rock compared to two rocks. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to all this attention.

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2009,18:10    Joe G on Oleg: Quote And that means by any measure I am his intellectual superior. HAR HAR -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 29 2009,23:41    Quote (Richardthughes @ Mar. 30 2009,02:10) Joe G on Oleg:   Quote And that means by any measure I am his intellectual superior. HAR HAR Yeah Joe G is a legend in his own basement. His contribution to global knowledge just on cake baking alone would win him an Honary Doctorate. *News update* Joe G awarded "Man of Flour and Literal Images" Honary Doctorate at Mrs. Phylis D. Finkmeister's Cake Skool for Retired Aircraft Mechanics Here is the award presentaton. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2009,11:10    BREAKING NEWS!!! JOEG MADE FOOLS OF US ALL!!! I knew something was fishy about his "cake" recipe, so I pulled out our copy of "The Joy of Specifically Complex Cooking" and did a little recipe research. You all thought, all this time, that his recipe was really for cake, didn't you? Didn't you??? Well, have I got news for you: it's really a recipe for (very eggy).... CORN BREAD!!!!!!shift-one!! Joe had us chasing down the rabbit hole of cake information, while he played us all like his little organ. (Seriously, here's what "The Joy of Cooking" has to say about cakes: "Because the same ingredients combined in a different order, mixed differently, or even used at different temperatures result in quite different cakes (or failures), good bakers are dedicated to the small things that produce beautiful cakes that taste heavenly." There's a lesson there, Joe - a delicious lesson.)

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2009,11:20    Quote (clamboy @ Mar. 31 2009,19:10) BREAKING NEWS!!! JOEG MADE FOOLS OF US ALL!!! I knew something was fishy about his "cake" recipe, so I pulled out our copy of "The Joy of Specifically Complex Cooking" and did a little recipe research. You all thought, all this time, that his recipe was really for cake, didn't you? Didn't you??? Well, have I got news for you: it's really a recipe for (very eggy).... CORN BREAD!!!!!!shift-one!! Joe had us chasing down the rabbit hole of cake information, while he played us all like his little organ. (Seriously, here's what "The Joy of Cooking" has to say about cakes: "Because the same ingredients combined in a different order, mixed differently, or even used at different temperatures result in quite different cakes (or failures), good bakers are dedicated to the small things that produce beautiful cakes that taste heavenly." There's a lesson there, Joe - a delicious lesson.) uh huh.. ...so what you are saying is that if the designer was say......French   Joe's blamange could be a crouton? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

clamboy Posts: 299 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2009,11:55    Quote (k.e.. @ Mar. 31 2009,11:20) Quote (clamboy @ Mar. 31 2009,19:10) BREAKING NEWS!!! JOEG MADE FOOLS OF US ALL!!! I knew something was fishy about his "cake" recipe, so I pulled out our copy of "The Joy of Specifically Complex Cooking" and did a little recipe research. You all thought, all this time, that his recipe was really for cake, didn't you? Didn't you??? Well, have I got news for you: it's really a recipe for (very eggy).... CORN BREAD!!!!!!shift-one!! Joe had us chasing down the rabbit hole of cake information, while he played us all like his little organ. (Seriously, here's what "The Joy of Cooking" has to say about cakes: "Because the same ingredients combined in a different order, mixed differently, or even used at different temperatures result in quite different cakes (or failures), good bakers are dedicated to the small things that produce beautiful cakes that taste heavenly." There's a lesson there, Joe - a delicious lesson.) uh huh.. ...so what you are saying is that if the designer was say......French   Joe's blamange could be a crouton? I'd say his creme caramel would be runny scrambled eggs.

keiths Posts: 2195 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2009,12:00    Quote (clamboy @ Mar. 31 2009,09:55) I'd say his creme caramel would be runny scrambled eggs. That's a rather clamboyant statement. -------------- And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G Please stop putting words into my mouth that don't belong there and thoughts into my mind that don't belong there. -- KF

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: Mar. 31 2009,16:42    They're coming to take Joe away, ha ha! Joe makes cakes of all his little friends who worship his superior intellect (and his big, huge "evidence"). Oh, God, you are so huge! Gee, we're really impressed down here! -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

carlsonjok Posts: 3326 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2009,09:19    Did you know that Jospeh Gallien is only a pseudonym? Neither did I until I came across this media commentary.  Joe's real name is Edwin Wiersbicki. See here. -------------- It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it.  We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Reciprocating Bill Posts: 4265 Joined: Oct. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2009,11:09    Quote (Thought Provoker @ Mar. 29 2009,00:38) FYI, I sent Joe a comment asking him once again about the "information content" of a rock compared to two rocks. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to all this attention. The relevant question for Joe G. is the information content of a box of rocks. -------------- Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be. "The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you." - David Foster Wallace "Here’s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down." - Barry Arrington

KCdgw Posts: 376 Joined: Sep. 2002 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2009,15:09    Quote (Reciprocating Bill @ April 01 2009,11:09) Quote (Thought Provoker @ Mar. 29 2009,00:38) FYI, I sent Joe a comment asking him once again about the "information content" of a rock compared to two rocks. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to all this attention. The relevant question for Joe G. is the information content of a box of rocks. Or a bag of rock hammers. KC -------------- Those who know the truth are not equal to those who love it-- Confucius

Richardthughes Posts: 11178 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2009,17:22    latest: http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html -------------- "Richardthughes, you magnificent bastard, I stand in awe of you..." : Arden Chatfield "You magnificent bastard! " : Louis "ATBC poster child", "I have to agree with Rich.." : DaveTard "I bow to your superior skills" : deadman_932 "...it was Richardthughes making me lie in bed.." : Kristine

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2009,17:39    Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2009,01:22) latest: http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html Holy FUCK!!! He fell for the two rocks contain more information... ..... no ...no... no ....no folks not just any old information but Shannon Information. What a frikken turkey. He wouldn't know <k.e.. rolls eyes> "Shannon" Information if one bit his both his arses. Hey Joe Rocks contain Rock OK? -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

tsig Posts: 339 Joined: Aug. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 01 2009,18:09    Quote (k.e.. @ April 01 2009,17:39) Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2009,01:22) latest: http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html Holy FUCK!!! He fell for the two rocks contain more information... ..... no ...no... no ....no folks not just any old information but Shannon Information. What a frikken turkey. He wouldn't know <k.e.. rolls eyes> "Shannon" Information if one bit his both his arses. Hey Joe Rocks contain Rock OK? Joe has smart rocks.

Kristine Posts: 3061 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 02 2009,09:05    Quote (tsig @ April 01 2009,18:09)   Quote (k.e.. @ April 01 2009,17:39)     Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2009,01:22) latest: http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html Holy FUCK!!! He fell for the two rocks contain more information... ..... no ...no... no ....no folks not just any old information but Shannon Information. What a frikken turkey. He wouldn't know <k.e.. rolls eyes> "Shannon" Information if one bit his both his arses. Hey Joe Rocks contain Rock OK? Joe has smart rocks. Shannon is gone I heard - She's drifting out to sea. I wonder if two bags of hammers has more Shan-fo than one bag of hammers. ETA - Joe is the Shan-wow guy. Edited by Kristine on April 02 2009,09:09 -------------- Which came first: the shimmy, or the hip? AtBC Poet Laureate "I happen to think that this prerequisite criterion of empirical evidence is itself not empirical." - Clive "Damn you. This means a trip to the library. Again." -- fnxtr

Tracy P. Hamilton Posts: 1239 Joined: May 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 02 2009,13:44    Quote (Kristine @ April 02 2009,09:05) Quote (tsig @ April 01 2009,18:09)     Quote (k.e.. @ April 01 2009,17:39)     Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2009,01:22) latest: http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html Holy FUCK!!! He fell for the two rocks contain more information... ..... no ...no... no ....no folks not just any old information but Shannon Information. What a frikken turkey. He wouldn't know <k.e.. rolls eyes> "Shannon" Information if one bit his both his arses. Hey Joe Rocks contain Rock OK? Joe has smart rocks. Shannon is gone I heard - She's drifting out to sea. I wonder if two bags of hammers has more Shan-fo than one bag of hammers. :) ETA - Joe is the Shan-wow guy. :p I have a new theory of information for Joe, illustrated by the game "Rock, Paper, Hammer".  It seems to unify many of his "thoughts". Rock holds down paper.  Rock > paper, so has more information.  Two rocks hold the paper down even better, so even more information is in the rocks.  Especially if the rocks are shaped like a face. Paper covers hammer.  Paper > hammer, so paper has more information, especially if the paper has a cake recipe written on it.  Super especially if the recipe is for rock cakes.  Two sheets of paper have double secret super special information. Hammer breaks rock.  Unless wielded with Joe-like skill, in which case rock defeats hammers, and the primacy of cake recipe information is not in danger of disappearing because of the transitive property. QED (Quod Erratum Demonstrandumb) -------------- "Following what I just wrote about fitness, you’re taking refuge in what we see in the world."  PaV "The simple equation F = MA leads to the concept of four-dimensional space." GilDodgen "We have no brain, I don't, for thinking." Robert Byers

Amadan Posts: 1337 Joined: Jan. 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 02 2009,15:53    But you forgot the scissors! If you cut in half the sheet of paper with the cake recipe, it will make twice as many cakes. Especially if they're rock cakes. Or maybe not: seeing that we're dealing with Shannon information here, it would probably have to be a log2 cake. -------------- "People are always looking for natural selection to generate random mutations" - Densye  4-4-2011 JoeG BTW dumbass- some variations help ensure reproductive fitness so they cannot be random wrt it.

Timothy McDougald Posts: 1036 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 02 2009,22:30    Quote (Tracy P. Hamilton @ April 02 2009,13:44) Quote (Kristine @ April 02 2009,09:05) Quote (tsig @ April 01 2009,18:09)     Quote (k.e.. @ April 01 2009,17:39)       Quote (Richardthughes @ April 02 2009,01:22) latest: http://intelligentreasoning.blogspot.com/2009....ns.html Holy FUCK!!! He fell for the two rocks contain more information... ..... no ...no... no ....no folks not just any old information but Shannon Information. What a frikken turkey. He wouldn't know <k.e.. rolls eyes> "Shannon" Information if one bit his both his arses. Hey Joe Rocks contain Rock OK? Joe has smart rocks. Shannon is gone I heard - She's drifting out to sea. I wonder if two bags of hammers has more Shan-fo than one bag of hammers. ETA - Joe is the Shan-wow guy. I have a new theory of information for Joe, illustrated by the game "Rock, Paper, Hammer".  It seems to unify many of his "thoughts". Rock holds down paper.  Rock > paper, so has more information.  Two rocks hold the paper down even better, so even more information is in the rocks.  Especially if the rocks are shaped like a face. Paper covers hammer.  Paper > hammer, so paper has more information, especially if the paper has a cake recipe written on it.  Super especially if the recipe is for rock cakes.  Two sheets of paper have double secret super special information. Hammer breaks rock.  Unless wielded with Joe-like skill, in which case rock defeats hammers, and the primacy of cake recipe information is not in danger of disappearing because of the transitive property. QED (Quod Erratum Demonstrandumb) So, clearly we can not choose the glass in front of you -------------- Church burning ebola boy FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me. PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 02 2009,23:05    Quote So, clearly we can not choose the glass in front of you :???: Inconceivable!

Louis Posts: 6436 Joined: Jan. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2009,05:51    Quote (Henry J @ April 03 2009,05:05) Quote So, clearly we can not choose the glass in front of you :???: Inconceivable! That word you are using. I do not think it means what you think it means. Or something like that. Louis -------------- Bye.

Henry J Posts: 5786 Joined: Mar. 2005 (Permalink) Posted: April 03 2009,13:53    Close enough.

olegt Posts: 1405 Joined: Dec. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 04 2009,10:43    Joe has no one to talk to on his own blog, so he goes to UD to say this: Quote I understand perfectly well what nested hierarchy means. Bwahahaha! -------------- If you are not: Galapagos Finch please Logout »

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 04 2009,20:29    Quote (olegt @ April 04 2009,10:43) Joe has no one to talk to on his own blog, so he goes to UD to say this:       Quote I understand perfectly well what nested hierarchy means. Bwahahaha! That brings back fond memories of Sam of Ballyvourney and the stuff in his pocket. Joseph had a great deal of trouble realizing that we could treat the contents of Sam's pocket as a set—even if his pocket were empty (which with Sam is often the case). Quote Zachriel: Are these sets? * Sam's male descendents. * Twigs on a single branch. * My bushel of apples. * The contents of Sam's pocket. * What if my pocket is empty? Let's call the contents of a pocket, pocket-stuff. Now, Sam is from Ballyvourney. * Is the set 'Sam's pocket-stuff' nested within the set of 'Ballyvourney pocket-stuff'? * And as Ballyvourney is in County Cork, is the set 'Ballyvourney pocket-stuff' nested within the set 'County Cork pocket-stuff'? * And is the set 'County Cork pocket-stuff' nested within the set 'Irish pocket-stuff'? Joseph: Only if Sam is in Ballyvourney. Zachriel: You must not know Sam. Sam can always be found at the Ballyvourney Mills Inn dancing the Ballyvourney Jig. Heh. Anyway, this was meant to just be a quick prelude to a discussion of nested hierarchies in terms of sets. But then... Quote Joseph: The empty set is not a subset of itself. Zachriel: The empty set is a subset of every set, including itself. Every set is a subset of itself. And every set is a subset of the union of that set with any other set. Hence, 'Sam of Ballyvourney's pocket-stuff' is a subset of 'Ballyvourney pocket-stuff'. Even after weeks, Joseph refused to learn anything whatsoever. His adamantine ignorance is astounding. Finally, Joseph said I couldn't post unless I supported a strawman of his devising. That was back during Davescot's bout with coulrophobia. Good times. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

khan Posts: 1554 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 04 2009,20:37    I recall learning all that 'set theory' stuff in 8th grade. -------------- "It's as if all those words, in their hurry to escape from the loony, have fallen over each other, forming scrambled heaps of meaninglessness." -damitall That's so fucking stupid it merits a wing in the museum of stupid. -midwifetoad Frequency is just the plural of wavelength... -JoeG

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 05 2009,00:56    Quote (khan @ April 05 2009,04:37) I recall learning all that 'set theory' stuff in 8th grade. I remember around 2nd to 3rd grade a question regarding set's / categories breathlessly asked by a young city teacher at my primary school. Something along the lines of "Now boys and girls, tell me which is the odd one out. Cat, Sheep or Seagull?" "Cat" everyone said. Correct boys and girls. Cat's are allowed in the house. "Seagull" I said <Teacher's mouth drops open> "And why do you say that k.e..?" "The other 2 are mammals Miss." The class chimed "Ignore him Miss he's strange, he doesn't believe in god, you are right Miss. What's a mammal anyway Miss?" "All mammal mothers provide milk to their offspring even wales. We're mammals" I said My mother got a call with a "please explain" question Mom said she didn't want me going to the free lunchtime yank* nut job 50's evangelical religious cartoon movies anymore. I had some lonely lunches for a while. It was like being in a sociological experiment watching a group think theory being tested. Those kids could have been told anything and just because they were told it was true, it WAS true. They saw the pictures. Tablets from on high, Burning bush to Flood and beyond. Joseph just can't grok NH because it causes a schism in his brain. Joseph's brain just isn't wired properly. *A term used outside of USA for all Americans. It caused endless fun for a group of young Australian males I was with in Dallas on a course in the late '70's when we called Texans  "Yanks".  They always responded that they hated damn "Yankees" as well. We would tease them with the fact they were all "Yanks" where we came from. The slow dawning looks on their faces were priceless. The mental confusion produced a truly shardenfreud moment, the following reaction weeded out the dickheads. -bah fixed spelz -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Zachriel Posts: 2723 Joined: Sep. 2006 (Permalink) Posted: April 05 2009,08:21    Quote (k.e.. @ April 05 2009,00:56)   Quote (khan @ April 05 2009,04:37) I recall learning all that 'set theory' stuff in 8th grade. I remember around 2nd to 3rd grade a question regarding set's / categories breathlessly asked by a young city teacher at my primary school. Something along the lines of "Now boys and girls, tell me which is the odd one out. Cat, Sheep or Seagull?" "Cat" everyone said. Correct boys and girls. Cat's are allowed in the house. "Seagull" I said Sheep. You get wool from sheep. And they go "Ba". Quote (khan @ April 04 2009,20:37) I recall learning all that 'set theory' stuff in 8th grade. It's not that he doesn't know, but that he refuses to learn. And when cornered on a mistake, he reacts by hurling insults. I see no hope of discussing nested hierarchies with Joseph as long as he refuses to understand the simplest aspects of categorization. -------------- You never step on the same tard twice—for it's not the same tard and you're not the same person.

k.e.. Posts: 5432 Joined: May 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 05 2009,09:51    Zac said in another lifetime: Quote It's not that he doesn't know, but that he refuses to learn. And when cornered on a mistake, he reacts by hurling insults. I see no hope of discussing nested hierarchies with Joseph as long as he refuses to understand the simplest aspects of categorization. You are being far too generous, his own self censorship, which he is fully aware of, finds a justification for loudspeaker lies. It's called Joe's political identity. He pleads the Nuremberg Defence. -------------- "I get a strong breeze from my monitor every time k.e. puts on his clown DaveTard suit" dogdidit "ID is deader than Lenny Flanks granmaws dildo batteries" Erasmus "I'm busy studying scientist level science papers" Galloping Gary Gaulin

Erasmus, FCD Posts: 6349 Joined: June 2007 (Permalink) Posted: April 11 2009,23:25    not unless Joe gives up revenge for Lent during Ramadan... wow Quote You are a piece of shit Kellogg and you had better hope we never meet even though I am going to try to make that happen. joe has a man-crush!!!! Yes Joe Is That Stupid -------------- You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG the odds of getting some loathsome taint are low-- Gordon E Mullings Manjack Heights Montserrat I work on molecular systems with pathway charts and such.-Giggles

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